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Greetings, Concerning your query on the report published by a Lebanese website according to which ambassador Stevens was sodomized. That report falsely quoted our news agency and has no truth whatsover to it. AFP promptly sent a strongly worded complaint to that website and they removed the report and published a denial, saying that AFP did not report such a thing.
< http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...] >

No information will be available until the autopsy is completed.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 09 2012,10:57 am

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Presidents who Served in the Military

George Washington: Revolutionary War (Continental Army)
James Monroe: Revolutionary War (Continental Army)
Andrew Jackson: War of 1812 (Army)
William Henry Harrison: Indian campaigns (Army)
John Tyler: War of 1812 (Army)
Franklin Pierce: Mexican War (Army)
Abraham Lincoln: Black Hawk War (Indian Wars) (Army)
Ulysses S. Grant: Mexican War and Civil War (Army)
Rutherford B. Hayes: Civil War (Army)
James A. Garfield: Civil War (Army)
Chester A. Arthur: Civil War (Army)
Benjamin Harrison: Civil War (Army)
William McKinley: Civil War (Army)
Theodore Roosevelt: Spanish American War (Army)
Harry Truman: World War I (Army)
Dwight Eisenhower: World War I and World War II (Army)
John F. Kennedy: World War II (Navy)
Lyndon B. Johnson: World War II (Navy)
Richard Nixon: World War II (Navy)
Gerald Ford: World War II (Navy)
Jimmy Carter: Cold War era (Navy)
Ronald Reagan: World War II (Air Force)
George H.W. Bush: World War II (Navy)
George W. Bush: Vietnam War era (Air Force Reserve)

< http://www.va.gov/health/NewsFeatures/20110221a.asp >

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 09 2012,11:08 am

Thanks Liberal, I'd already checked that though. I am wondering who actually FOUGHT. Who had their lives endangered like most soldiers do.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 09 2012,11:17 am

Ok, according to the History Channel, Bush #1 actually fought. < http://www.history.com/this-da...ttacked >

I'd still like to know how many more of our leaders who vote for war actually have ever endangered their lives like real soldiers, or their children have.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 09 2012,11:20 am

G. H. Bush, was shot down WWII

But I bet G.W. had a few skirmishes with angry waitress's and bouncers.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 09 2012,2:51 pm

[quote=Rosalind_Swenson,Oct. 09 2012,10:31 am]As to claims that Diplomat Chris Stevens was sodomized:

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Greetings, Concerning your query on the report published by a Lebanese website according to which ambassador Stevens was sodomized. That report falsely quoted our news agency and has no truth whatsover to it. AFP promptly sent a strongly worded complaint to that website and they removed the report and published a denial, saying that AFP did not report such a thing.
< ]http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...] >

No information will be available until the autopsy is completed.

Stevens wasn't sodomized.. The real picture shows him being carried over the shoulder of someone..

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 09 2012,3:05 pm

Other photo..

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 09 2012,6:06 pm

(Common Citizen @ Oct. 09 2012,7:00 am)

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You're a liar. Look at what you wrote. You said that Mitt Romney did everything to avoid going to Vietnam. You don't even consider that he didn't go to Vietnam because he chose to serve God. That's what I am talking about.

You're just sore because no one else is calling you out on your bullsh!t propaganda on here.

I have to admit that is challenging calling out all your bullsh!t. It would be a full time job for the amount of garbage your putting out.

Again, show me proof that WMD was sent to Syria from Iraq..

Before you start calling someone a liar, you should get your facts straight before spewing nothing but lies..

You're like most of the right-wing liars around this site.. You get your facts from radical right-wing sites, the breeze, Rush and Hannity..

You lied when confronted about your torturing of animals as a child, didn't you?

No WMDs in Iraq
< http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/no-wmds-in-iraq/ >

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 09 2012,10:54 pm

^Liar

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 09 2012,11:10 pm

(Common Citizen @ Oct. 09 2012,10:54 pm)

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^Liar

That's the best you've got?

How does a person avoid the draft to "serve God"? If you weren't a tower rat when you were an MP I'm sure you knew plenty of Chaplains in the Army, didn't they serve both God and country?

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 09 2012,11:33 pm

(Common Citizen @ Oct. 09 2012,6:58 am)

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Everyone knows this administration is riding the bench at the local Honker's game when it domes to foreign policy.

We had an ambassador and 3 of his employees die because of this administrations illusion. Our Consulate was breached after several warnings from various sources that the consulate and its staff were in danger.

Mr. Stevens himself asked for more protection and was denied.

To top it off, our President goes on a mainstream media tour and blames a UNITED STATES CITIZEN for inciting the incident which has now been proven false.

Meanwhile, al Qaeda and the rest of the Middle East are quickly recognizing Obummer's weakness and are rapidly rebuiliding in the middle east

...AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRAG ABOUT LIBYA?

Tool.

btw...< My Webpage >

nuff said...

Again, prove that Obama went on a mainstream media tour and blames a UNITED STATES CITIZEN for an attack in Libya..

He blamed it on a video, not a U.S. Citizen.. Why do Radical Republicans lie about everything? :crazy:

Four Americans died in the line of duty, so should we start a war with a country that Obama has just helped to liberate or maybe we should occupy another Muslim country with troops? :dunce:

There are radical right-wing nuts all over the middle east and north Africa, just like in America.. In GOD we TRUST..

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 10 2012,12:54 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 09 2012,5:21 am)

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No, we are not in Libya, our ambassador there was sodomized and murdered along with three others. Probably because of incompetence or indifference.

Maybe try a better example next time. :dunce:

Are you sticking with your story about sodomy? :rofl:

Lies will only shorten your life, just say NO to lies.. You can do it..

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 10 2012,4:34 am

OK then, let's put sodomy aside and just go with "brutally murdered" :dunce:

Died in the line of duty??? :crazy:

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 10 2012,6:21 am

Look at this guy. He defends these murderers. Implying that these Libyans are a respectful people, posting images of Ambassador Stevens, arguing that he wasn't sodomized, Meanwhile, he rambles for days, weeks, and how many thread pages later about how terrible a person Romney is just because he is a Republican.

What a dick.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 10 2012,7:17 am

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Look at this guy. He defends these murderers. Implying that these Libyans are a respectful people, posting images of Ambassador Stevens, arguing that he wasn't sodomized,

Are you saying that the Libyans are not respectful people because a dozen extremists attack a consulate? Wouldn't that be like calling you a "dick" because of the radical right wing republicans? I guess that's sort of a weak argument to use with you, a better example would be people thinking all republicans are "dicks" because of republicans like you.

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 10 2012,7:33 am

(Common Citizen @ Oct. 10 2012,6:21 am)

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Look at this guy. He defends these murderers. Implying that these Libyans are a respectful people, posting images of Ambassador Stevens, arguing that he wasn't sodomized,

What far right dark souled blogger has posted this type of tripe, when you parrot this unsubstantiated bull you magnify your own instability..

Posted by the breeze on Oct. 10 2012,9:49 am

State Department denies concluding film sparked consulate attack in Libya
Published October 10, 2012
FoxNews.com

House committee set to hear testimony on Libya attack
House to hold hearing on US Consulate attack in Libya
Truth about Libya attack continues to come outThe State Department denied Tuesday it ever concluded that the deadly consulate attack Sept. 11 in Libya was an unplanned outburst prompted by an anti-Islam movie, despite public statements early on by some in the Obama administration suggesting that was the case.

The Obama administration

Read more: < http://www.foxnews.com/politic...u6nidQ3 >
"Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset telling our children and our children's children what is was once like in the United States where men were free." --Ronald Reagan
“ The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left .” ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 11 2012,5:23 am

Just enter "Completely Wrong" in a Google Search.. Try it!!

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 11 2012,5:31 am

Who do you think is more honest?

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 11 2012,6:47 am

(Liberal @ Oct. 10 2012,7:17 am)

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Look at this guy. He defends these murderers. Implying that these Libyans are a respectful people, posting images of Ambassador Stevens, arguing that he wasn't sodomized,

You got that right. The government and the moderates are just as culpable for allowing the few dozen extremist, as you put it, to run the show.

And you know what my point is here Liberal. You don't even realize that you just proved my point. You have a bigger hardon for Republicans than these kooks in the middle east killing our citizens. You only have to read your post to figure that out.

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 11 2012,7:06 am

(Expatriate @ Oct. 10 2012,7:33 am)

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(Common Citizen @ Oct. 10 2012,6:21 am)

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Look at this guy. He defends these murderers. Implying that these Libyans are a respectful people, posting images of Ambassador Stevens, arguing that he wasn't sodomized,

What far right dark souled blogger has posted this type of tripe, when you parrot this unsubstantiated bull you magnify your own instability..

I think it's your instability we should question. Have you not been listening to the lame stream news or any news for that matter?

In case you missed it:
Extremist in Banghazi, Libya, stormed our Consulate and killed 4 of our citizens.

Our President made numerous public statements that the attack was created because of a video produced by a US Citizen. (Yes, this administration thinks we're that stupid) :dunce:

You come down on me (and others) because you don't think the sodomization of Ambassador Stevens is substantiated, yet all of you are mute to the fact that the President lied and blamed a video produced by a US Citizen? Not to mention that he has been arrested after daring to invoke his constitutional right to freedom of speech.

You're all nuts.

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 11 2012,9:02 am

Enough, let's see a creditable link to this alleged sodomy... They’re all from far right kooks like you..
You self called Christians, the front pew bunch who clamor for revenge, unending religious war with another set of kooks..

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 11 2012,9:44 am

(Common Citizen @ Oct. 11 2012,7:06 am)

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Not to mention that he has been arrested after daring to invoke his constitutional right to freedom of speech.

Federal prosecutors said Youssef had eight probation violations, including lying to his probation officer and using aliases.

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...olation >

You have a serious problem with telling lies, you need help..

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 11 2012,10:46 am

Jobless claims plunge to lowest level in 4 1/2 years..

Foreclosures at lowest level in 5 years..

Dow 13,386.52 Up 9.57% in 2012

< http://www.reuters.com/article...0121011 >

Posted by pepi-lapew on Oct. 11 2012,11:56 am

Your wrong as normal AL. Calif. forget to turn in its unenployment figures to the GOV. 339,000 people laid off? The gov. wouldnt lie would they. Our pres. said he had a open book administration didnt he. :lalala:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 11 2012,11:58 am

^ despite morons at the helm :dunce:

I smell books cooking, along with AL's bullish!t :blush:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 11 2012,2:14 pm

Well, we're glad to say that we've finally gotten to the bottom of what happened.
We spoke to a source at the Labor Department. According to this source, who is an analyst at the Department, here's what happened:
ALL STATES WERE INCLUDED in this week's jobless claims. Assertions that "a large state" was excluded from the report are patently false.

Read more: < http://www.businessinsider.com/what-ha...13pr1E1 >

Weekly Claims

< http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/ui/current.htm#.UHcN3cU71SB >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 11 2012,3:18 pm

fortunatly, yours does. :rofl:

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 11 2012,9:28 pm

(Expatriate @ Oct. 11 2012,9:02 am)

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I won't take the time. Only reports and hearsay which is all your going on too. But does that change how pissed off you should be about what those bastards did to a US Ambassador? They get a pass because you think they left out the sodomy? Really? For christ sake...

...I take offense to the front pew jab. I am a back pew Lutheran. :blush:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 12 2012,12:02 am

U.S. sends new acting ambassador to Libya

Laurence Pope arrived Thursday in Tripoli to take on the role, the State Department announced. With no ambassador in the country, Pope will handle those duties.

"We will continue to assist as Libya builds democratic institutions and broad respect for the rule of law -- the goals that Ambassador Stevens worked hard to achieve," Nuland said in a written statement.

< http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/11/world/africa/libya-us/index.html >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2012,1:46 am

^ yeah, I can see the powers that be with that decision, "hey, let's send Larry, he's kind of a dick"

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 12 2012,8:43 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 11 2012,3:18 pm)

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fortunatly, yours does. :rofl:

There is no convincing AL :dunce:

He is so enamored with the current potus/admin. and captivation is a tough nut to crack!! Give AL Citizen a break though...afterall, he does spend alot of time pasting all those cartoons and
defending obama/admin. lies that it is, if nothing else, entertaining observing all the twists and spins :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 12 2012,9:13 am

^ Obama is his god.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 13 2012,2:50 pm

Bruce Springsteen to campaign for Obama in Ohio

< http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...io?lite >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 14 2012,8:43 pm

^Oh yeah, with an estimated net worth of 200million he surely represents the 47% :sarcasm:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 15 2012,1:09 am

Bruce Springsteen came from a low income family and loves this country enough that he is willing to pay more in income tax so others can have a chance to advance their lives..

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2012,4:45 am

^ and you know this how? You've had conversations with him? :dunce:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 15 2012,11:30 am

Bruce Springsteen
Rock musician. Born September 23, 1949, in Long Branch, New Jersey, Bruce Springsteen was raised in a working-class household in Freehold Borough. The future Boss's father, Doug Springsteen, had trouble holding down a steady job and worked at different times as a bus driver, millworker and prison guard. Adele Springsteen, Bruce's mother, brought in steadier income as a secretary in a local insurance office. Young Bruce and his father had a difficult relationship. "When I was growing up, there were two things that were unpopular in my house," the singer later recalled. "One was me, and the other was my guitar."

< http://www.biography.com/people/bruce-springsteen-9491214 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2012,12:04 pm

Doesn't answer the question :dunce:

So you're saying that springsteen's dad was a piece of sh!t that beat his son???

What's this got to do with taxes :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 15 2012,12:12 pm

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 15 2012,12:13 pm

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 15 2012,12:15 pm

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 15 2012,2:23 pm

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 16 2012,11:07 pm

Crowley Crushes Romney On Libya LIE

From the Transcript of Obama on September 12 in the Rose Garden:
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic...late-in >

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 16 2012,11:14 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 16 2012,11:07 pm)

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Crowley Crushes Romney On Libya

From Transcript:
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic...late-in >

Hey al...

You do know that she was wrong don't you? transcripts are a bitch.

Mr. Obama did make reference to the fact that “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation,” but his comments that day also appeared to reference the video, when he said, “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.” The administration changed its description of the attack, eventually describing it as a terror attack linked to al Qaeda sympathizers.

Not exactly what chairman 0 said on T.V. was it?

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 17 2012,7:39 am

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 17 2012,7:47 am

Hey al here is the FULL TEXT ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!

BOOM!....What was that?

It sounds like a truth bomb going off chairman 0 must have been having a flashback when he answered question he must of thought they were talking about choom!

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.

END
10:48 A.M. EDT

So...Just where did chairman 0 call the Benghazi terrorism attack terrorism I cannot find it chairman 0 lies people died again.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 17 2012,8:41 am

So when he said that the buck stops with him was that supposed to make him look magnanimous??? :rofl:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 17 2012,3:05 pm

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 17 2012,7:47 am)

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So...Just where did chairman 0 call the Benghazi terrorism attack terrorism I cannot find it chairman 0 lies people died again.

Definition of TERRORISM

: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

< http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism >

An "act of terror" is a single act of terrorism if the attack was committed by Al-Qaeda..

If the attack was done by a rowdy group of protesters it would be called an "act of terror", not terrorism..

Terrorism involves more than one attack..

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 17 2012,10:23 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 17 2012,3:05 pm)

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(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 17 2012,7:47 am)

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So...Just where did chairman 0 call the Benghazi terrorism attack terrorism I cannot find it chairman 0 lies people died again.

Definition of TERRORISM

: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

< http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism >

Are we heading down this road again? the road that slick willy went down "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

al they screwed the pooch just get over it! candy is singing.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 17 2012,10:30 pm

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No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

How much more specific do you kooks want him to be?

Posted by Alfy Packer on Oct. 17 2012,11:28 pm

It was good that Hillary took responsibility for the security issue. I think that should put the entire matter to rest.

On to the retirement question, I was not comforted that the President wasn't paying attention to his retirement account. If he is only concerned that Mitts account is bigger than his, he is missing what his policies are doing to all of our retirements. Sorry to say it really is the economy, and by his own admission he doesn't even care enough to watch what his policies have done to his own retirement. They say he was awake for last nights debate but with comments like this he must still have sleepies in his eyes!

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 18 2012,6:03 am

(Liberal @ Oct. 17 2012,10:30 pm)

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How much more specific do you kooks want him to be?

So where does it say the act in benghazi was an act of terrorism it doesn't, then the administration said it was a protest for 15 days it doesn't fit the storyline the current administration has been using when running for re election "they have won the war and vanquished al qaeda." You know it's hard to push that line of manure when the benghazi terrorist attack had heavy weapons and NO PROTEST.

The truth...

The current administration lied it's crystal clear to most people, you kool aid drinkers you are on your own, if chairman 0 said the sun rises in the north you would believe it you are the sheeple that threaten our nation ignorance kills.

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 18 2012,6:05 am

(Alfy Packer @ Oct. 17 2012,11:28 pm)

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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Hitlerly said it was her fault and it's time to move on are you serious!!

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 18 2012,6:19 am

Just a note the security group that the obama administration had (OUT SOURCED) the blue mountain group uk at benghazi and what were they were armed with?

Wait for it...FLASHLIGHTS AND BATONS now that seems legit in a combat zone doesn't it?

For some of the sheeple (combat zone = two way shooting range) incoming and out going.

It's not like there were previous attacks at the embassy either or were there?

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 18 2012,8:02 am

For all Right-Wing Idiots..

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 18 2012,8:05 am

Sore losers..

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 18 2012,11:04 am

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So where does it say the act in benghazi was an act of terrorism it doesn't

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No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act.

How much more specific did you want him to be :crazy:

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 18 2012,11:20 am

The next day in Colorado...

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Let me say at the outset that obviously our hearts are heavy this week -- we had a tough day a couple of days ago, for four Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Libya. Yesterday I had a chance to go over to the State Department to talk to friends and colleagues of those who were killed. And these were Americans who, like so many others, both in uniform and civilians, who serve in difficult and dangerous places all around the world to advance the interests and the values that we hold dear as Americans.

And a lot of times their work goes unheralded, doesn’t get a lot of attention, but it is vitally important. We enjoy our security and our liberty because of the sacrifices that they make. And they do an outstanding job every single day without a lot of fanfare. (Applause.)

So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice. (Applause.) I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America. (Applause.)

< http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pre...lden-co >

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 18 2012,11:59 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 17 2012,3:05 pm)

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(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 17 2012,7:47 am)

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So...Just where did chairman 0 call the Benghazi terrorism attack terrorism I cannot find it chairman 0 lies people died again.

Definition of TERRORISM

: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

< http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism >

Kind of:
Act of terror and terrorist attack are not the same thing!
Especially when the previous 2 (transcript) paragraphs refer to 2001.
Obama referred to them as the killers...not terrorists.
While all acts of terrorists are acts of terror;
not all acts of terror are perpetrated by terrorists!
but nice try obama...funny, he promised transparency...he was right...we can see right through him :thumbsup:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 18 2012,2:13 pm

Romney lies about everything..

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 18 2012,3:45 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 18 2012,2:13 pm)

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Romney lies about everything..

youve never been in a management position, have you?
youve never been on the HR end of business before have you? if you had...you would know what binders in the context Romney used the term actually meant :dunce:

and the lying part...now thats funny coming from an alinskian and an obama groupie :rofl:

Posted by Alfy Packer on Oct. 18 2012,4:05 pm

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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Hitlerly said it was her fault and it's time to move on are you serious!!

You see what we have here is, failure, failure to communicate! I truly think it looks very "weenie" having Hillary take one for the "Obuminator"!

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 18 2012,4:24 pm

(Alfy Packer @ Oct. 18 2012,4:05 pm)

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WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Hitlerly said it was her fault and it's time to move on are you serious!!

You see what we have here is, failure, failure to communicate! I truly think it looks very "weenie" having Hillary take one for the "Obuminator"!

the thing is;
Fast and Furious and Holder claiming no responsibility because he didnt get that memo
and Hillary takes the fall on Libya incident cause the WH was not informed and she made the decision;
WHO is running our country?

Posted by Alfy Packer on Oct. 18 2012,5:22 pm

QUOTE

the thing is;
Fast and Furious and Holder claiming no responsibility because he didnt get that memo
and Hillary takes the fall on Libya incident cause the WH was not informed and she made the decision;
WHO is running our country?

Take it easy, what we need is 4 more years of Obomo campaigning and everyone will get a promise for every pot and a car out of gas in every garage.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 18 2012,8:12 pm

Why the hell would Obama be campaigning for another 4 years? :dunce:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 18 2012,8:41 pm

Otardo the post turtle?

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 18 2012,8:42 pm

Posted by Alfy Packer on Oct. 18 2012,9:00 pm

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Why the hell would Obama be campaigning for another 4 years?

Because it is what he does! He does it well and that is what he enjoys doing. It is all he has done these last 4 years and it is what he will do if given 4 more years.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 18 2012,9:43 pm

All presidents campaign through their first term.. When Obama gets elected to a second term, the last thing he'll be doing is campaigning since he can only serve two terms of 4 years..

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 18 2012,9:53 pm

That chart is pure BS, I pay way more than 4.7%. State takes about 9% and Feds get around 30%. Before bush and otardo got into office I payed way less in taxes, now Im getting hosed. Give me my money back.

And that isn't even including capital gains taxes I pay, there should be no taxes on capital gains, the govt got their money the first time they taxed me on my income, what I do with my measly penance after taxes and decide to invest it, should be all profit.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 18 2012,10:39 pm

Washington

State and Local Taxes in 2007

< http://www.itep.org/wp2009/wa_whopays_factsheet.pdf >

You're an idiot or need to get a new accountant if you paid 30% federal income tax..

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 19 2012,12:16 am

CBO: Fed tax rates hit historic low
7/11/2112

< http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78386.html >

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 19 2012,1:00 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 18 2012,8:12 pm)

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Why the hell would Obama be campaigning for another 4 years? :dunce:

Sweet...you post a pic of the guy who did his best work in the oral office :crazy:

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 19 2012,1:06 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 18 2012,9:43 pm)

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All presidents campaign through their first term.. When Obama gets elected to a second term, the last thing he'll be doing is campaigning since he can only serve two terms of 4 years..

you really are a domesticated sheep!
and if he gets another 4 years what do you suppose will be one of the first things on his agenda?
My guess...an executive order doing away with presidential term limits!!!

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 19 2012,1:24 am

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 18 2012,6:03 am)

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(Liberal @ Oct. 17 2012,10:30 pm)

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How much more specific do you kooks want him to be?

no way the administration vanquished al qaeda...what with the US supplying them with weapons and all.
kind of makes the fast and furious thing look like childs play someone said!!

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 19 2012,7:07 am

(Santorini @ Oct. 19 2012,1:00 am)

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(alcitizens @ Oct. 18 2012,8:12 pm)

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Why the hell would Obama be campaigning for another 4 years? :dunce:

Sweet...you post a pic of the guy who did his best work in the oral office :crazy:

I see what you did there

:notworthy:

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 19 2012,9:50 am

QUOTE

Tell us again how educated you are? :rofl:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 19 2012,10:16 am

Since oblamo cannot keep his lies straight, he is going to be beta testing a new portable teleprompter during the last debate.
:rofl:

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 19 2012,2:45 pm

Romney’s tax plan in detail...

< http://www.romneytaxplan.com/ >

Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 19 2012,6:49 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 14 2012,8:43 pm)

QUOTE

^Oh yeah, with an estimated net worth of 200million he surely represents the 47% :sarcasm:

No, he's clearly rich, which is great, not a fan of his music though. More importantly many people like that remember getting their start. The rest of you will listen to the rhetoric and think you'll be the next Rockefeller or Trump just long enough for the GOP to make you grab the ankles.

The idea that a man who's the real life version of Gordon Gekko is going to get in the White House and fight for the plumbers and truck drivers, well, it just cracks me up.

Zombie Hunter:

QUOTE

So where does it say the act in benghazi was an act of terrorism it doesn't

By the way, are we still arguing over him saying "act of terror" instead of "terrorism", or did I miss that? I was reading some of those posts and found it entertaining how Romney and his supporters were attacking him over the lack of the "ism."

The "ism" is clearly a very important part of the speech apparently, even though it means the same thing to anyone who has even a basic understanding of the English language. :sarcasm:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 19 2012,10:32 pm

This is how Romney got Rich, Harvest Business and Send the Jobs to China

Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, < world news >, and < news about the economy >

Posted by grassman on Oct. 19 2012,11:06 pm

I'd like to take Romney out here in the woods and deserted roads and see how he deals with real life without a silver spoon and daddy! Maybe get a couple of mil for a map! LOL Just kidding I would never do that! Stand Down HLS! :laugh:

(but you know you want it) te he

Posted by grassman on Oct. 19 2012,11:34 pm

First off, I want to make it perfectly clear. I did not vote for President Obama. Now I will state that he had GREAT ideas for this country. He was out of his league when it came to adversaries, they ate him up. Now you need to really look at what has happened. Instead of going for what was GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY, spikes were thrown in the road, to make him a one term President. Would you sell out your Dad to make your Mother look good? enuf said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 20 2012,5:31 pm

Gas prices could soon drop 50 cents a gallon

< http://www.usatoday.com/story...fetcher >

Posted by hairhertz on Oct. 20 2012,7:30 pm

it's almost over...2+ weeks... then we can watch the wrangling of vote tallying...followed by a do nothing
Congress for 4 more years :frusty:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 21 2012,1:41 am

Posted by busybee on Oct. 21 2012,2:03 am

grassman Posted on: Oct. 19 2012,11:34 pm

QUOTE

Why didn't you vote for Obama?

I know some people who won't vote for a democrat just because they believe if they do they will take away their gun rights...I honestly don't get their reasoning behind that theory.

Posted by Santorini on Oct. 23 2012,10:30 pm

(alcitizens @ Oct. 19 2012,10:32 pm)

QUOTE

This is how Romney got Rich, Harvest Business and Send the Jobs to China

Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, < world news >, and < news about the economy >

the Ed Show :rofl:

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 23 2012,11:03 pm

...oops

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 23 2012,11:05 pm

I apologize. I didn't mean to post the previous video.

:dunce:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 23 2012,11:34 pm

Republicans falsely claim that $2 billion went to employ Chinese workers.

< http://www.factcheck.org/2010/10/stimulus-jobs-in-china/ >

< http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/stimulus-money-for-jobs-overseas/ >

Posted by grassman on Oct. 24 2012,6:11 am

(busybee @ Oct. 21 2012,2:03 am)

QUOTE

grassman Posted on: Oct. 19 2012,11:34 pm

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During Obama's first campaign, it just felt too easy. I did not feel McCain was that big of a threat. I voted Libertarian. Now with Romney being the candidate, I am going to have to try and stop ol Mitt baby. He is a down right many faced jerk. Democrats are not after our guns. Some people might be in love with the idea, but that is just hand wringing to suggest it will be.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 24 2012,8:09 am

^ dems are not after our guns??? Tell that to Pelosi, Feinstein and Schumer :dunce:

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 24 2012,8:10 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2012,5:10 am

So "The Donald" opens his yap again and offers 5million for obama to release his college transcripts and such. IMHO trump should just go away but if you think about it that money would sure do a lot of good for chairity.

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 25 2012,5:59 am

90 days 90 reasons

REGGIE WATTS
Reggie Watts is a comedian and musician. He currently appears as the bandleader on the IFC talkshow Comedy Bang Bang.

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REASON 62: HE HAS THE POWER OF THREE EAGLES.

He’s not an ass. He’s handsome. He’s eloquent, well-spoken. He’s mixed-race, like me. He’s a hard worker. He enjoys enjoyment. He’s skinny, which I wish I was. He seems to make some good decisions… most of the time. He has the power of three eagles. He is not really weird and inhuman like the other candidate. He’s not creepy, like the other candidate. He’s a known quantity. He seems to enjoy a peaceful, educated world. He’s not Romney. He plays basketball. Romney sucks at basketball. He doesn’t believe in wearing magical underwear, like Romney does. He’s not a robot, like Romney is. He’s tall. He enjoys cats. He’s very friendly and has good teeth. One bad thing about him is that he needs to start saying “to” instead of “tuh.” But he’s halfway in the middle of the things he wants to accomplish; let’s give him a chance to finish it out. Also he’s not Romney. And he’s not a racist. If people vote for Obama, it will be a world filled with people going, “Wow, Americans are pretty smart.” If we vote for Romney, the rest of the world will say, “I don’t know what’s going on, but I don’t think it’s going to be a good time for the next four years.” Vote for Obama if you want to party and be enlightened.
—REGGIE WATTS
Brooklyn, New York

:dunce:

Wow...If reggie says this it must be so chairman 0 has my vote! :finger:

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 25 2012,6:17 am

Des Moines Register, President Obama reversed course, taking credit for a sequester that he anticipates will be "in place.":

OBAMA: "So when you combine the Bush tax cuts expiring, the sequester in place, the commitment of both myself and my opponent -- at least Governor Romney claims that he wants to reduce the deficit -- but we’re going to be in a position where I believe in the first six months we are going to solve that big piece of business." [emphasis added]

More Obama LIES!! but nobody died THIS TIME.

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 25 2012,7:24 am

QUOTE

U.S. could soon overtake Saudi Arabia as world's top oil producer
Article by: JONATHAN FAHEY
Associated Press
October 23, 2012 - 11:09 PM
NEW YORK - U.S. oil output is surging so fast that the United States could soon overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest producer.

Driven by high prices and new drilling methods, U.S. production of crude and other liquid hydrocarbons is on track to rise 7 percent this year to an average of 10.9 million barrels per day. This will be the fourth straight year of crude increases and the biggest single-year gain since 1951.

The boom has surprised even the experts.

"Five years ago, if I or anyone had predicted today's production growth, people would have thought we were crazy," said Jim Burkhard, head of oil markets research at IHS CERA, an energy consulting firm.

The Energy Department forecasts that U.S. production of crude and other liquid hydrocarbons, which includes biofuels, will average 11.4 million barrels per day next year. That would be a record for the United States and just below Saudi Arabia's output of 11.6 million barrels. Citibank forecasts U.S. production could reach 13 million to 15 million barrels per day by 2020, helping to make North America "the new Middle East."

The last year the United States was the world's largest producer was 2002, after the Saudis cut production because of low prices in the aftermath of 9/11. Since then, the Saudis and the Russians have been the world leaders.

The United States will still need to import lots of oil in the years ahead. Americans use 18.7 million barrels per day. But thanks to the growth in domestic production and the improving efficiency of cars and trucks, imports could fall by half by the end of the decade.

The increase in production hasn't translated to cheaper gasoline at the pump, and prices are expected to stay relatively high for the next few years because of growing demand for oil in developing nations and political instability in the Middle East and North Africa.

Still, producing more oil domestically, and importing less, gives the economy a boost.

The companies profiting range from independent drillers to large international oil companies such as Royal Dutch Shell, which increasingly see the United States as one of the most promising places to drill. ExxonMobil agreed last month to spend $1.6 billion to increase its U.S. oil holdings.

Increased drilling is driving economic growth in states such as North Dakota, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Montana and Texas, all of which have unemployment rates far below the national average of 7.8 percent. North Dakota is at 3 percent; Oklahoma, 5.2.

North Dakota, which is now the nation's No. 2 oil-producing state behind Texas, hit another record for oil and gas production in August and shows no sign of slowing down even as winter approaches.

Lynn Helms, director of the North Dakota Department of Mineral Resources, said that oil production hit 701,134 barrels a day in August, up 3.7 percent. It came from 7,701 wells, a record number for North Dakota.

IHS says the oil and gas drilling boom, which already supports 1.7 million jobs, will lead to the creation of 1.3 million jobs across the U.S. economy by the end of the decade.

The growth of fracking

The factor driving domestic production higher is a newfound ability to squeeze oil out of rock once thought too difficult to tap.

To free the oil and gas from the rock, drillers crack it open by pumping water, sand and chemicals into the ground at high pressure, a process is known as hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking."

While expanded use of the method has unlocked enormous reserves of oil and gas, it has also raised concerns that contaminated water produced in the process could leak into drinking water.

The demand for frac sand over the past three years has set off a mining rush in southeastern Minnesota and western Wisconsin, where there are vast deposits of the world's most crush-resistant sand.

Production from shale formations is expected to grow from 1.6 million barrels per day this year to 4.2 million per day by 2020, according to Wood Mackenzie, a consulting firm. That means these new formations will yield more oil by 2020 than major oil suppliers such as Iran and Canada produce today.

Staff writers David Shaffer and Tony Kennedy contributed to this report.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2012,7:56 am

^ yes, despite Obama!

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2012,8:00 am

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 25 2012,6:17 am)

QUOTE

Wrong, two Seals, an advisor and an ambassador died because of either nefarious reasons or incompetence.

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 25 2012,8:04 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 25 2012,8:00 am)

QUOTE

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 25 2012,6:17 am)

QUOTE

Wrong, two Seals, an advisor and an ambassador died because of either nefarious reasons or incompetence.

This was about the sequester and how chairman 0 changed his tune last night nobody has died in the sequester...YET!

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2012,8:40 am

^ good enough :notworthy:

I love that Letterman finally figured out that Obama's a liar. :blush:

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 25 2012,9:25 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 25 2012,8:40 am)

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^ good enough :notworthy:

I love that Letterman finally figured out that Obama's a liar. :blush:

I have the clip but I don't know how to post it here is the code is somebody can post it.

< http://www.mediaite.com/tv...bailout >

src="http://videos.mediaite.com/embed/player/?content=QJNTX3173BX82T81&content_type=content_item&layout=&playlist_cid=&media_type=video&widget_type_cid=svp&read_more=1" width="420" height="421" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" scrolling="no" allowtransparency="true">

The text is as follows:

David Letterman told MSNBC anchor Rachel Maddow that he was disappointed in President Barack Obama who he felt had misrepresented Gov. Mitt Romney’s opposition to the auto bailout. Letterman said that he reread Romney’s op-ed in which the former Massachusetts governor outlined how he would rescue the auto industry, and said that Obama had played “fast and loose” with the facts when he related Romney’s position.

“Here’s what upset me last night; playing fast and loose with facts,” Letterman said to Maddow. He went on to rehash what President Obama said during Monday night’s debate regarding Romney’s position on the auto bailout which he detailed in a 2009 New York Times op-ed entitled “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt“.

“Now, I don’t care whether you’re Republican or Democrat, you want your president to be telling the truth; you want the contender to be lying,” Letterman said. “And so what we found out today or soon thereafter that, in fact, the President Obama was not telling the truth about what was excerpted from that op-ed piece. I felt discouraged.”

Maddow went on to say that Romney’s position on the auto bailout was wrong because it relied on private capital to rescue the automotive industry when there was no private credit available. She conceded, however, that Obama was clearer about his position on the auto bailout in the first debate than on Monday night.

MORE OBAMA LIES body count on this unknown...

Posted by grassman on Oct. 25 2012,11:10 am

I think you are missing the point here, Romney wanted private parties to rescue the auto industry after bankruptsy, there were none that would take part. Remember the sky was falling at this time. The only one with the check book was the govt. Like it or not, under Romney's thinking, they would have failed and disappeared.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 25 2012,11:16 am

(grassman @ Oct. 25 2012,11:10 am)

QUOTE

The point being missed here is this:
It is not the taxpayers responsibility to bail out the auto industry, why should taxpayers be on the hook for mismanagement of a company? That whole to big to fail BS is just that BS, anything can fail or it can prosper.
I can say with a clear conscience if it was up to me; I would have let those companies go bankrupt.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2012,11:45 am

^ they would have emerged leaner and stronger.

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 25 2012,11:54 am

QUOTE

While expanded use of the method has unlocked enormous reserves of oil and gas, it has also raised concerns that contaminated water produced in the process could leak into drinking water.

Eh, frack away, as we're ever so hopeful for the return of $2.00 gallons of gas. :crazy:

There's plenty of clean water. Your grandkids will be fine.

Again: :crazy:

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 25 2012,12:02 pm

Rolling Stone cover, “Obama and the Road Ahead: The Rolling Stone Interview,” by Douglas Brinkley: “We arrived at the Oval Office for our 45-minute interview … on the morning of October 11th. … As we left the Oval Office, executive editor Eric Bates told Obama that he had asked his six-year-old if there was anything she wanted him to say to the president. … [S]he said, ‘Tell him: You can do it.’ Obama grinned. … ‘You know, kids have good instincts,’ Obama offered. ‘They look at the other guy and say, “Well, that’s a bullcrapter, I can tell.”’”

POT THIS IS KETTLE

WOW CHAIRMAN 0 CALLS SOMEBODY ELSE A BULLcrapTER....HELLO HYPOCRISY :rofl:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 25 2012,2:17 pm

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 25 2012,12:02 pm)

QUOTE

Hey don't forget this little gem.

President Barack Obama spoke in Colorado today as part of a nearly around-the-clock campaigning tour.

The President talked about the desire for wind turbines being manufactured in America, saying he wanted them manufactured "here in China."

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 25 2012,8:46 pm

How can the kool aid drinkers defend this administrations incompetence is beyond me LIES LIES LIES that is all they say chairman 0 is the greatest con artist ever!!

Posted by busybee on Oct. 26 2012,2:42 am

Ugh...why can't I get any honest answers anywhere about anything when it comes to politics...

It's always about Republican or Democrat loyalties when it comes to U.S. Citizens and the media...

NEVER is anything about the true grit ISSUES of how things really affect people who live and attempt to survive and thrive here in this country no matter what and especially for any of those who are struggling even though they were born and raised to TRUST the United States of America and their Government to be their protector who would be honoring their RIGHTS and FREEDOMS to prosper, be heard, and survive in spite of ALL other countries who don't.

The majority of U.S. Citizens get their support from other U.S. Citizen's whether it be their employment as a teacher, nurse, doctor, attorney, first responder, law enforcement official, fire fighter, Salvation Army, ect.. and their U.S. Families...not the political parties of republicans vs democrats, when the going gets tough.

The majority of people in this country who help other U.S. citizens survive and thrive, have no desire to stake any claim that they were motivated by political affiliation with any specific political agenda. They just do what they do because they CARE about U.S. Citizens.

Dang it all.. how does that happen without the Politicians who want to be elected and take all the credit for it???

Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 26 2012,7:33 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 25 2012,5:10 am)

QUOTE

So Trump should go away, but you also think the President should give in to his demands, again.

Have any of you asked for Romney's birth certificate (short and long-form) yet, or is there something different about Obama that you guys have a hard time accepting?

Nah, I'm sure you're all thinking about the charity. How it would help people. :rofl:

QUOTE

Wrong, two Seals, an advisor and an ambassador died because of either nefarious reasons or incompetence.

I thought that was because of terrorism? I remember another guy ignoring threats, but it was a few thousand who died. Did you attack the POTUS for that, or are you one of the people who actually approved even more after those deaths? < 9/11 - Presidential Approval Ratings >

Then there was the con job about WMD, a few thousand died there. But hey, whats a few thousand here and there in the Bush years compared to the much worse "nefarious actions and LIES" related to Benghazi? :dunce:

Which lies again, by the way? Is it because he forgot to say "ism" in the Rose Garden the next day? Or did we move on to some other thing the RNC/FNC has you all upset about now?

QUOTE

How can the kool aid drinkers defend this administrations incompetence is beyond me LIES LIES LIES that is all they say chairman 0 is the greatest con artist ever!!

It's been several years of one nutty conspiracy after another, regardless of who is in the White House I know that you guys will repeat whatever you hear from the RNC. That's why many of you have repeated verbatim what the republican strategists have said over and over again, whether it be the "are you better off than four years ago?", gas prices and public lands drilling, or the unemployment numbers that the neocons suddenly started having compassion for after Romney/Ryan/Boehner told you that whether the numbers go up or down it's a bad sign and you should blame Obama.

Most voters might just see through the two minutes of hate. The POTUS is just a democrat who reformed health care, fixed the auto industry, improved the economy year after year, ended Don't ask don't tell, Iraq, Bin Laden (sorry, he didn't pull the trigger, only ordered it, which is more than ANY republican would do when it came to Pakistan), and the only thing you can do is complain that he didn't do all those things fast enough.

Whew, you're right. Better vote for Gordon Gekko, the rich shouldn't have to pay taxes, and the 47% don't pay enough. :sarcasm:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 26 2012,9:18 am

^'well good morning Kap!

I really didn't think too much of donald's offer but 5m to charity? Well I don't really give a sh!t about that either and obviously neither does bum bum.

Bush pretty much just walked into office when the towers fell but probably should have been paying more attention too but it's coming out now that Obama knew in real time, was most likely watching the feeds and was either to stupid or had other reasons not to lift a finger.

As far as the taxes go. We'll all be paying much more one way or another in Obama's reelected come January. :dunce:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 27 2012,10:04 am

Just in case you missed this..

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 27 2012,10:12 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 26 2012,9:18 am)

QUOTE

Bush pretty much just walked into office when the towers fell but probably should have been paying more attention too

Frak that noise. The Bush (Cheney) Administration orchestrated that whole mess. Anyone who can't see that is blinded by some sick sense of, "My noble country's government wouldn't do THAT, oh no." It's like revisionist history a la Aunt Bea.

The Government of the United States is a corrupt piece of garbage, and I wish it a slow, painful death. There, I said it.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 27 2012,11:09 am

^Walmart is having a sale on tin foil this weekend.

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 27 2012,11:40 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 27 2012,11:09 am)

QUOTE

^Walmart is having a sale on tin foil this weekend.

He needs the industrial strength tin foil one can only get at the looney bin Media Matters.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 27 2012,10:51 pm

People have been conditioned to think that anyone who questions the official 911 story are kooks. Most who question it are definitely not kooks. The main reasons that make some question it don't get any air time. The big people who question it don't get air time. There are actually a lot of highly credible non-kooks who are calling BS on the governments version.

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 28 2012,12:41 am

Truthers are Dufers.. Sad but True..

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 28 2012,9:39 am

So why does colin powell matter...

Does al lay awake at night wondering what does colon think, maybe he has him on speed dial to get his colon "fix" I don't know. I don't need anybody to tell me what to think and do unlike some of stalins useful idiots that believe government is something we all belong too. :finger:

Posted by hymiebravo on Oct. 28 2012,10:52 am

QUOTE

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was signed into law Feb. 17.

The act will provide several hundred million dollars to Minnesota for transportation needs.

< http://www.dot.state.mn.us/federalrecovery/ >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2012,11:47 am

Yes indeed, I've seen a few of those "shovel ready projects" a light grinding on the road surface and then pave over, about the equivalent of,(oh God hymen, here it comes) "polishing a turd" :rofl:

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 28 2012,1:47 pm

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 28 2012,9:39 am)

QUOTE

Colin Powell is a Republican endorsing Obama..

We don't belong to a government, we are the government..

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows people to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws.

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracies >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2012,4:31 pm

^ no, Colin Powell was a soldier.

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 28 2012,4:55 pm

al while technically you are correct there are major differences is democracy

The government of the United States is called a constitutional democracy. It is a democracy because the government is based on the consent of the people. Further, the government operates according to the principle of majority rule. The people, for example, elect their representatives and senators in Congress by majority vote; and the members of Congress make laws according to majority rule.

The popular and democratic government of the United States, however, is limited by the higher law of the Constitution in order to secure, as the Declaration of Independence says, the “unalienable rights” of every person. These legal limitations on the people's government make the United States a constitutional democracy, not an unlimited democracy.

James Madison and other framers of the Constitution feared the new threat to liberty that could come from a tyrannical majority. In times past, the threat to liberty came from the unrestrained powers of a king or an aristocracy. Madison, however, saw a new danger, which he expressed in a letter to Thomas Jefferson (Oct. 17, 1788):

Wherever the real power in a Government lies, there is the danger of oppression. In our Governments, the real power lies in the majority of the Community, and the invasion of private rights is chiefly to be apprehended, not from acts of Government contrary to the sense of its constituents, but from acts in which the Government is the mere instrument of the major number [majority] of the constituents. This is a truth of great importance, but not yet sufficiently attended to…. Whenever there is an interest and power to do wrong, wrong will generally be done, and not less readily by [a majority of the people] than by a… prince.

Madison wanted government by majority rule of duly elected representatives of the people, but the majority's power must be limited by the higher law of a written constitution. If not, people that the majority disliked could lose basic freedoms and opportunities.

In The Federalist Nos. 10 and 51, James Madison argued for constitutional limits on power in government in order to protect the liberty and security of individuals. He opposed equally the absolutism, or total power, of a monarch or military dictator (the tyranny of one), an aristocracy or oligarchy (tyranny of the few over the many), or a majority of the people (tyranny of the many over the few). In a republic or representative democracy (government by elected representatives of the people), the greatest threat to liberty would come from an unrestrained majority. This threat could be overcome by constructing constitutional limits on majority rule in order to protect minority rights.

A constitutional democracy, then, is government by majority rule with protection of minority rights. It is democratic because of its foundations of popular consent and majority rule. It is constitutional because the power of the majority to rule is limited by a supreme law.

So what did obama do when he "bought" his senators for his pet projects against the will of the people?

Posted by alcitizens on Oct. 28 2012,5:57 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 28 2012,4:31 pm)

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^ no, Colin Powell was a soldier.

A Republican that was a Soldier.. Even Powell thinks his own party has gone to Goofyville..

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell >

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 29 2012,10:45 am

past Republican Presidents
Romney's not in thier class!

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4dwx0PNZWY >

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 29 2012,11:04 am

(alcitizens @ Oct. 28 2012,5:57 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 28 2012,4:31 pm)

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^ no, Colin Powell was a soldier.

A Republican that was a Soldier.. Even Powell thinks his own party has gone to Goofyville..

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell >

What did you call Powell when he manipulated the facts and convinced the U.N to go to war against Iraq?

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 29 2012,11:29 am

For Al, that would be an inconvenient truth.

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 29 2012,11:42 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 29 2012,11:29 am)

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For Al, that would be an inconvenient truth.

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 29 2012,10:57 pm

(Funkadelic Zombie Hunter @ Oct. 28 2012,4:55 pm)

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An interesting point of view on the subject of the US being a Republic.

QUOTE

From: John Porter; October 12, 2012

To: Americans everywhere;

Thank you for your time and attention.

First, please let me be very clear, what I have written here for your consideration is not about the Republican Party, Democrat Party, Independent Party, Libertarian Party, Tea Party or any other Party. It is about an idea conceived over two centuries ago, a country, a people, a document, our current president and his intensions for America.

Two hundred and twenty five years ago (1787) a group of men whom we now refer to as the "founding fathers," following a long and bloody battle for their independence from a dictatorial Monarchy, assembled themselves together in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and did their best to establish a country governed in a God-fearing way by representatives who were selected by the people who were to be governed.

No where in the history of all mankind were there any examples or even political theory in existence that offered them any hope that a republican form of government, based on the new concept of consent of the governed, could succeed on a wilderness continent which was much larger than any European state.

These men met there on the world stage to carry out the first of three acts in this epic political drama, the drafting of the United States Constitution. The final document was the culmination of a fierce political struggle that had been waged for four sweltering summer months in secret behind guarded closed doors. The document sought to reconcile individual personal liberty with the perceived need for a central government with powers to forge a political and economic common market among thirteen separate and sovereign states.

The next two acts to be performed on this world stage were the ratification of the document and the translation from words on parchment paper to institutional form and structure. In 1789 the first congress approved and sent to the states for ratification, a bill of rights of individual liberty, and additional rights reserved to the states. Those ten amendments, ratified on December 15, 1791, became an extremely vital part of the Constitution and crucial to greatly limiting the power of the Federal Government over that of the people and separate states. The Republic of the United States of America, an experiment in people governing themselves was now a reality for the first time in the history of man. Newcomers from other countries, willing to be governed by it's Constitution and Bill of Rights, came in droves to this new land of government by the governed.

I here bring to your attention that the United States of America was formed as a Republic and not a Democracy. All our lives you and I have been conditioned to believe we are a Democracy in America. How long has it been since you have heard of America referred to as a Republic? You see, there was purpose behind the words in the Pledge of Allegiance to our flag referring to our country as, "the Republic for which it stands." Ladies and gentlemen rest assured there is a very good reason the term "democracy" does not exist either in our Constitution or the Declaration of our Independence from the Monarchial King of England. A true Democracy is mob rule. Any government set up as a Democracy is the same government we would have if we were set up as a Socialist, Communist, or Marxist government. In these forms the government is a mob ruling over the people with absolutely no rights for individuals or minorities.

It has been written, "The Founders were extremely knowledgeable about the issue of democracy and feared democracy as much as a monarchy. They understood that the only entity that can take away the people's freedom is their own government, either by being too weak to protect them from external threats or by becoming too powerful and taking over every aspect of life." Democracy and/or Socialism is mob rule by government. The founders of America were all too familiar with democracies/socialism, and deliberately did everything in their power to prevent a Democracy. It has been written, "In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem." The people have no obligation to the government; the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to them, for they are its owner. Not only have many politicians, Republican and Democrat, lost sight of this fact, but a great many of the American people.

A Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. The goal of our founding fathers in forming a Constitutional Republic was to avoid the disastrous extremes of either tyranny (absolute ruler) or "mobocracy." (government mob).

I submit for your consideration, we are witnessing today president Barack Obama, who by way of his own actions and words, is demonstrating his aspirations of becoming an absolute ruler. When he makes public statements of, "Fundamentally changing America," he is promising us to change the workings of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, for they ARE the fundamentals of America. His promising to "redistribute the wealth" is purposely designed to divide the American people. When he publicly promises, and I quote, "If congress doesn't do the things I think necessary, I will not wait on them." "I will do it myself." This kind of talk is deliberately crafted to slowly condition our minds and dumb us down to his way of Socialistic and absolute ruler thinking. I believe with all my being, if re-elected, he will never willingly relinquish the office of president.

Barack Obama is not an incompetent fool, ladies and gentlemen. He knows exactly what he is doing and why he is doing it. For four years he has been conditioning the minds of all who will listen and very carefully and cunningly crafting the country for a possible political takeover by way of ignoring the Constitution and the people's congress, and conditioning us to it. All who don't like it, he will bypass and do it anyway. Please familiarize yourself with this man's past. He is the most dangerous man in American history to the Constitutional Republic and individual freedoms which our founding fathers established and left for us. It will be up to us to defend and preserve it. Make no mistake, his view of America is very different than that of our founding fathers, and most Americans today.

Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution states: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion"...If we the American people don't stop this man and his Socialist Czars on November 6 this year and start a reversal of the present trend, the free Republic of America will be lost for generations to come to a Socialist, tyrannical government mob. It begs the question, could this be the last Presidential election? There needs to be a great awakening of all freedom loving Americans, or I fear it very well may be. I leave you with a thought to seriously think upon as you prepare to vote...A people can become slaves to a government as well as a plantation owner.

You have my permission to leave my information below intact as you please forward to all you can in any method you wish.

May God bless America at this critical time in our history.

Until next time:

Your friend in freedom;

John Porter
118 Approach Drive
Harrison, Arkansas 72601
870-741-4119
johnporter1939@cox.net

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 29 2012,10:59 pm

QUOTE

His promising to "redistribute the wealth" is purposely designed to divide the American people. When he publicly promises, and I quote, "If congress doesn't do the things I think necessary, I will not wait on them." "I will do it myself." This kind of talk is deliberately crafted to slowly condition our minds and dumb us down to his way of Socialistic and absolute ruler thinking. I believe with all my being, if re-elected, he will never willingly relinquish the office of president.

I remember hearing this speech and the people in the crowd were actually cheering him on.

Yikes!! :frusty:

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 29 2012,11:12 pm

I remember reading the same garbage about Bush and the Patriot Act.

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 29 2012,11:25 pm

Ya but the the main difference here is that the Patriot Act was an enacted by Congress.

Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 30 2012,12:51 am

Well, I don't know who John Porter is or if he actually wrote that, but I hadn't realized Obama's plans of refusing to relinquish the Presidency after reelection. That's probably the reason for the FEMA camps and him making Hawaii forge a birth certificate. It's all part of his evil plan. :sarcasm:

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I remember hearing this speech and the people in the crowd were actually cheering him on.

You guys have gotta get a book on economics at some point.

It isn't socialist/communist/marxist to have a tax policy that requires venture capitalists and people who inherit billions pay taxes on their wealth. The rest of us are just a little surprised that a tax policy where the rich pay taxes has become a radical idea.

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Ya but the the main difference here is that the Patriot Act was an enacted by Congress.

There are numerous U.S. laws that the Patriot Act violates, including F.I.S.A and it explicitly violates protections in the Bill of Rights. Once again, it seems the Constitution only became popular again after January of 2009 when folks started mailing tea bags to the White House.

Obamacare was enacted by Congress also, as were other reforms and bills signed by Obama. So, what "main difference" are you referring to? The forwarded email doesn't specify.

Posted by busybee on Oct. 30 2012,1:02 am

No matter what is wrote on this forum, the local newspaper or what people see on "prime time t.v,." they are going to vote for what they believe in from their "opinion/gut instinct/emotions..." That's how our country works...tug on a string of one of those...and anything logical, comprehensive, and realistic is tossed to the wayside...

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 31 2012,12:48 am

Irish,

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I don't really need you to lecture me on economics. I thought this guys letter was an interesting take on the subject and that it provoked thought.

QUOTE

My point wasn't about the fact that the Patriot Act violates other laws. My point is that the act was passed by Congress and not by the President acting alone...ya dig?

The main difference is in the words that Obama spoke. Has he acted on those words? No. Did he say them? You bet your arse he did. Words have meaning...don't you know.

Posted by hymiebravo on Nov. 01 2012,8:22 am

QUOTE

First, please let me be very clear, what I have written here for your consideration is not about the Republican Party, Democrat Party, Independent Party, Libertarian Party, Tea Party or any other Party. It is about an idea

When somebody starts off like that; you know they have an agenda.

Just like when Common Citizen pretends like he just wants to provoke thought.

Then proceeds to get thoroughly owned by Irisheyes. :rofl:

It's like watching a severe mismatch on American Gladiators.

Better luck next time Commie! :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 01 2012,9:38 am

^ nice endorsement of Kaptain Kreepy

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 01 2012,5:33 pm

Obama has a 79% chance of winning, Romney has a 21% chance..

< http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ >

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 01 2012,5:40 pm

Donald Trump has found PROOF that President Barack Obama is actually a Somali pirate.. :rofl:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 01 2012,7:54 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 01 2012,5:40 pm)

QUOTE

Donald Trump has found PROOF that President Barack Obama is actually a Somali pirate.. :rofl:

Guess it didn't work out all to well, since pirate obowsAlot kept bowing to his victims.
Once a puzzy always a puzzy.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 02 2012,6:38 pm

Bloomberg for Obama..

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 02 2012,6:41 pm

Obama has a 81% chance of winning, Romney has a 19% chance..

< http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ >

The Economist endorsed Obama..

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 02 2012,9:28 pm

climate change :rofl:

You climate change freaks are a modern day version of chicken little.
You are arguing the junk science of climate change of a hurricane during, *gasp* hurricane season. :rofl:

Oh, Noes, hurricanes only hit the Gulf States never the Eastern Seaboard. It is gotta to be because of climate change :sarcasm:

Hey, I gots an idea. How about we come up with a tax scheme that can change the weather and that will stop hurricanes from ever happening again, we can market this BS and pull at the over sensitive heart strings of stupid Americans and make them feel guilty for enjoying life, and we can call this scam, "Climate Change"

Oh wait, its already an idea, dammit. :rofl:

Frackin' morons.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2012,7:09 am

(alcitizens @ Nov. 02 2012,6:38 pm)

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Bloomberg for Obama..

YES! Bloomberg for Obama! The assclown that was going to go through with the NYC marathon!

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2012,7:14 am

So I'm half asleep this AM and I see a clip of Biden saying something to the effect of "in the last four years I have never been proud to be Obama's VP?"

7.9'unemploment, yep, recovery is just around the corner! :rofl:

Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 03 2012,9:29 am

Chart the Dow Jones Index for the last 4 years. The Obama Presidency certainly has been good for someone...

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2012,10:45 am

This is an ass-dragging economy, lame as hell for themlast four years.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 03 2012,10:54 am

Obama has a 84% chance of winning, Romney has a 16% chance..

< http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2012,11:57 am

^ maybe, maybe not, guess we'll find out Tuesday .

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 03 2012,7:49 pm

Pop singer Katy Perry, sporting a skin-tight minidress with President Barack Obama's campaign slogan "Forward" emblazoned across it..

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 04 2012,2:14 am

(alcitizens @ Nov. 03 2012,7:49 pm)

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Pop singer Katy Perry, sporting a skin-tight minidress with President Barack Obama's campaign slogan "Forward" emblazoned across it..

Really al, do you actually put that much stock into some famous putz that espouses a political opinion?
Their opinion means less than yours does, so you should be happy that I would consider your lunacy before theirs.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 04 2012,2:32 am

(Grinning_Dragon @ Nov. 04 2012,2:14 am)

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Their opinion means less than yours does, so you should be happy that I would consider your lunacy before theirs.

I' ll take that as a compliment from you.. :thumbsup:

Hoping that a few right-wing turd for brains like you will look at her tight dress and come over to the sane side of the world.. :laugh:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2012,3:27 am

^ I'm not that shallow and imdon't think GD is either.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 04 2012,5:36 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 04 2012,3:27 am)

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^ I'm not that shallow and imdon't think GD is either.

Obama has a 85% chance of winning, Romney has a 15% chance..

< http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ >

You and GD are the epitome of shallow.. Your parents didn't show you enough love..

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Nov. 04 2012,7:32 am

al is getting desperate...

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 04 2012,8:22 am

^ let's hope.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2012,6:10 am

One more damned day, then no more ads for awhile.

Posted by grassman on Nov. 05 2012,8:23 am

Sad that these Super Pacs make little girls cry.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2012,8:58 am

Awww, poor little girl.

Reminds me of hymen.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 05 2012,8:48 pm

Obama has a 91% chance of winning, Romney has a 9% chance..

< http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ >

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 05 2012,10:00 pm

Michal Barone: < My Webpage >

QUOTE

Fundamentals usually prevail in American elections. That's bad news for Barack Obama. True, Americans want to think well of their presidents and many think it would be bad if Americans were perceived as rejecting the first black president.

But it's also true that most voters oppose Obama's major policies and consider unsatisfactory the very sluggish economic recovery -- Friday's jobs report showed an unemployment uptick.

Also, both national and target state polls show that independents, voters who don't identify themselves as Democrats or Republicans, break for Romney.

That might not matter if Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 39 to 32 percent, as they did in the 2008 exit poll. But just about every indicator suggests that Republicans are more enthusiastic about voting -- and about their candidate -- than they were in 2008, and Democrats are less so…

Bottom line: Romney 315, Obama 223. That sounds high for Romney. But he could drop Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and still win the election. Fundamentals.

Vote for love of country...not revenge...

...nuff said.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2012,4:52 am

Well it's almost 5am and polls will be open soon. I'm sure there'll be reports of fraud on both sides.

So today decides, will we continue with this ass-dragging economy and down the road to socialized healthcare or do we take a chance on a guy that promises prosperity.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2012,5:30 am

Posted by hairhertz on Nov. 06 2012,7:09 am

269 Obama-266 Romney & as promised, 3 electors vote for Ryan

we all win/we all lose :dunno:

Posted by Gamer on Nov. 06 2012,9:15 am

“I met those of our society who had votes in the ensuing election, and advised them, 1. To vote, without fee or reward, for the person they judged most worthy: 2. To speak no evil of the person they voted against: And, 3. To take care their spirits were not sharpened against those that voted on the other side.” – John Wesley, Oct. 6, 1774

Sound advice even 240 years later. Get out and vote today! :thumbsup:

Posted by grassman on Nov. 06 2012,4:11 pm

I see Biden is celebrating already.

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 06 2012,8:59 pm

That's BS...

his arms are smaller than that...and icehouse sucks.

Posted by grassman on Nov. 06 2012,9:18 pm

Come on CC, you should know by now that I keep funny pics.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 06 2012,10:40 pm

Congratulations President Barack Obama on your election to another 4 year term as President of the United States.. Kick Ass.. :rockon:

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 06 2012,11:57 pm

Fellow Citizens,

I'm about to go speak to the crowd here in Chicago, but I wanted to thank you first.

I want you to know that this wasn't fate, and it wasn't an accident. You made this happen.

You organized yourselves block by block. You took ownership of this campaign five and ten dollars at a time. And when it wasn't easy, you pressed forward.

I will spend the rest of my presidency honoring your support, and doing what I can to finish what we started.

But I want you to take real pride, as I do, in how we got the chance in the first place.

Today is the clearest proof yet that, against the odds, ordinary Americans can overcome powerful interests.

There's a lot more work to do.

But for right now: Thank you.

Barack

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 07 2012,12:13 am

Ya.. the Divided States of America.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2012,5:07 am

And marching on to over 20'trillion in debt.

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Nov. 07 2012,5:56 am

America is stuck ON STUPID..... now yuck it up while you pay for your mistakes enjoy 1938/1939 you deserve it!

Posted by grassman on Nov. 07 2012,6:08 am

I think the future could be bright if the whole electorate works together for the country and not themselves. :thumbsup:

Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 07 2012,6:32 am

FOX has been doing damage control since yesterday. And Donald Trump tweets calling for < revolution > last night.

Speaking of revolution, has anyone checked to see if Ted Nugent is in prison or dead?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2012,6:46 am

^ oh come on Kap, now you can go propose to your sweety!

Revolution??? I have to admit, it does cross the mind.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2012,6:49 am

(grassman @ Nov. 07 2012,6:08 am)

QUOTE

I think the future could be bright if the whole electorate works together for the country and not themselves. :thumbsup:

Oh, so now I should just abandon my principles and go along just to get along? :finger:

Posted by grassman on Nov. 07 2012,7:45 am

There is no I in COUNTRY, you self centered prick.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2012,8:42 am

^ and obviously there are no balls in your pants. :dunce:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2012,8:45 am

Let me guess, there was a terrible weedwacking experiment.

Posted by binanca on Nov. 07 2012,8:50 am

QUOTE

And Donald Trump tweets calling for revolution last night.

How embarrassing for all the replublicans' to have such a buffoon on their side. :dunce:

Posted by grassman on Nov. 07 2012,10:01 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 07 2012,8:42 am)

QUOTE

^ and obviously there are no balls in your pants. :dunce:

Sometimes it takes more balls to the right thing than to do good for oneself. Think about it for a while. Would you take the dollar out of a dying mans hand because he is really not going to need it?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2012,10:45 am

Yep.

Posted by hairhertz on Nov. 07 2012,11:04 am

let me try to be the thread killer here, it seems to work elsewhere

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2012,11:42 am

(grassman @ Nov. 07 2012,10:01 am)

QUOTE

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 07 2012,8:42 am)

QUOTE

^ and obviously there are no balls in your pants. :dunce:

Sometimes it takes more balls to the right thing than to do good for oneself. Think about it for a while. Would you take the dollar out of a dying mans hand because he is really not going to need it?

And the gov. Doesn't collect after a persons demise? Like hell they don't why should I be any different?

Posted by hairhertz on Nov. 07 2012,12:08 pm

federal estate tax exemption thru 2012 = $5,000,000 maximum
MN estate tax exeption [2009 info] = $1,000,000 maximum

Fed ex will revert to $1,000,000 in 2013 unless Congress re-passes the current exemption

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2012,12:37 pm

And as of Jan 1'drops to 1million with a 55% tax

Posted by hairhertz on Nov. 07 2012,2:59 pm

Get Congress off their duffs and pass a budget [tax bill] that is a compromise.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 07 2012,6:09 pm

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 07 2012,11:42 am)

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And the gov. Doesn't collect after a persons demise? Like hell they don't why should I be any different?

I think your talking about the Funeral Home, if there’s anything left after the Hospital and Nursing Home they get it, what ever is left after that the worms claim.

Posted by grassman on Nov. 07 2012,6:40 pm

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 07 2012,10:45 am)

QUOTE

Yep.

I thought so.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2012,4:39 am

^ and your problem with that is???

Thing is, when I die I'll have made sure I'd given all my money and property away.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 08 2012,8:17 am

(Expatriate @ Nov. 07 2012,6:09 pm)

QUOTE

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 07 2012,11:42 am)

QUOTE

And the gov. Doesn't collect after a persons demise? Like hell they don't why should I be any different?

I think your talking about the Funeral Home, if there’s anything left after the Hospital and Nursing Home they get it, what ever is left after that the worms claim.

How is a nursing home entitled to a person's property?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2012,8:29 am

Actually it's the county that wants the money. When my Dad passed the county was pretty pissed that we'd prepaid his funeral out of the proceeds when his house was sold.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 08 2012,8:41 am

Good for you, my parents and my in-laws have already put into place that the govt gets nothing from them when they die.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 08 2012,9:01 am

I think prepaid plans are a must if you don’t want to stiff the kids for your final expense.
SB you have experienced the expense of long-term care where the county becomes involved, but I still believe a prepaid funeral is legal.

Dragon sometimes long-term care for the elderly is unavoidable, even a short-term stay can be expensive.
Maybe down in Jindalville the Nursing Home rates are a little lower but not much I’m guessing.

It’s my opinion we should have a Kevorkian Law, death with dignity, I’d much rather just nod off then spend my family's or county/state's resources keep me in a state of lingering agony!

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 08 2012,9:14 am

Expat-
I understand that long term care is unavoidable, but still does not explain why a nursing home or govt is entitled to that persons assets; law or not, does not give them the exclusive right to another persons property, unless of course it was signed over legally and looked over by an attorney.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 08 2012,9:32 am

Dragon,
Just a heads-up for future reference, Louisiana has a Filial Law which makes you responsible for your parents Nursing Home bills.
Here in Minnesota we don’t have this type of law but in a way we’re all still on the hook for the bill because the county steps in when someone goes broke.

< http://www.clarkhoward.com/news...p9 >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Nov. 08 2012,10:36 am

(Expatriate @ Nov. 08 2012,9:32 am)

QUOTE

Good thing my parents and in laws still live in MN then. :;):

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 09 2012,9:13 pm

Go figure.
< My Webpage >

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 09 2012,9:17 pm

Go figure.
< My Webpage >

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 09 2012,9:20 pm

Go figure.
< My Webpage >

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 09 2012,9:24 pm

Go figure.
< My Webpage >

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 09 2012,9:30 pm

Go figure.
< My Webpage >

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 10 2012,2:04 pm

Obama wins Florida giving him a total of 332 Electoral Votes, Romney gets 206 Electoral Votes..

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-25...-to-206 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 10 2012,2:56 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 10 2012,2:04 pm)

QUOTE

Obama wins Florida giving him a total of 332 Electoral Votes, Romney gets 206 Electoral Votes..

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-25...-to-206 >

maybe that'll perk up the markets on monday :sarcasm:

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 13 2012,7:30 pm

Speaking of which...

If you think the capital gains tax rates are going to go up...you best move your money to fixed income until everything blows over.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 14 2012,10:23 am

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 13 2012,7:30 pm)

QUOTE

Speaking of which...

If you think the capital gains tax rates are going to go up...you best move your money to fixed income until everything blows over.

It will only effect those that make over $250,000.. You don't have anything to worry about..

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2012,10:31 am

^

Yeah, right!

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 15 2012,7:42 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 14 2012,10:23 am)

QUOTE

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 13 2012,7:30 pm)

QUOTE

Speaking of which...

If you think the capital gains tax rates are going to go up...you best move your money to fixed income until everything blows over.

It will only effect those that make over $250,000.. You don't have anything to worry about..

Did you not comprehend what I posted(?)...

...of course you didn't. :dunce:

...and people wonder why they need money managers. :frusty:

oh...oh...wait for it...wait for it...

nuff said...

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 15 2012,9:36 pm

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 15 2012,7:42 pm)

QUOTE

Did you not comprehend what I posted(?)...

...of course you didn't. :dunce:

...and people wonder why they need money managers. :frusty:

oh...oh...wait for it...wait for it...

nuff said...

Only an idiot of a money manager would tell his clients to take their money out of stocks and put it in bonds..

Not even those making over $250,000/year will move their investments to something making less than 1%..

The stock market will do better in 2013 than it did in 2012..

You go ahead and lose your ass in the bond market.. :crazy:

Posted by blahblahblah on Nov. 15 2012,11:09 pm

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 13 2012,7:30 pm)

QUOTE

Speaking of which...

If you think the capital gains tax rates are going to go up...you best move your money to fixed income until everything blows over.

Bonds can have capital gains.

And if you buy taxable bonds you pay standard tax rates on the interest income.

Posted by blahblahblah on Nov. 15 2012,11:17 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 15 2012,9:36 pm)

QUOTE

Corporate bonds are paying well over 1%

And every day various money managers suggest their clients change their asset allocations for various reasons.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 16 2012,11:35 am

When interest rates go up the value of bonds go down..

Inflation protected bond funds pay very very low interest..

Bonds will be a poor investment for several years compared to the return on stocks..

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2012,11:46 am

AL's buying shares of Hostess. :rofl:

Posted by blahblahblah on Nov. 16 2012,1:59 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 16 2012,11:35 am)

QUOTE

When interest rates go up the value of bonds go down..

Whether this matters or not would depend on your investment strategy. If you are going to hold the bonds to maturity then the price change between now and maturity is irrelevent because you are going to be paid face value when the bonds mature (provided the issuer does not default). Not to mention the fact that future interest expectations are priced into current yields on bonds today, unless you think you figured out this potential higher interest rates in the future thing first.

(alcitizens @ Nov. 16 2012,11:35 am)

QUOTE

Inflation protected bond funds pay very very low interest..

Here is my favorite part of your investing advice. The second statement about inflation protected securities contradicts your first statement about interest rates going up. So what you believe is going to happen is that interest are going to go up, pushing down bond values, while somehow returns on inflation protected (inflation being a key component of interest rate changes) securities will not go up?

(alcitizens @ Nov. 16 2012,11:35 am)

QUOTE

Bonds will be a poor investment for several years compared to the return on stocks..

Maybe, maybe not.

Either way I question whether you should be giving advice on this, and would encourage you to actually talk to someone who understands this before you make any changes to your investment plan.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 16 2012,4:32 pm

If interest rates go up and you need to sell your bonds before they mature, you need to be aware their value may have gone down and you may have to sell at a loss. Remember bond prices move in the opposition direction as yield.

Sell before Maturity & Interest Rates have gone up.
An investor buys a 10 year U.S Treasury Note with a face value of $1,000 and an interest rate of 4.26%. If the investor sells the bond before it matures and interest rates have risen 2%, he or she would only receive $863.34 (plus any interest paid before the sale).

< http://www.investinginbonds.com/learnmore.asp?catid=3&id=57 >

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 16 2012,4:47 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 15 2012,9:36 pm)

QUOTE

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 15 2012,7:42 pm)

QUOTE

Did you not comprehend what I posted(?)...

...of course you didn't. :dunce:

...and people wonder why they need money managers. :frusty:

oh...oh...wait for it...wait for it...

nuff said...

Only an idiot would think that a bond is the only fixed income investment.

With the knowledge you have on fixed income...well...good luck!!

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 16 2012,6:01 pm

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 16 2012,4:47 pm)

QUOTE

Only an idiot would think that a bond is the only fixed income investment.

Oh god I have to hear this.. Please share.. :rofl:

Posted by blahblahblah on Nov. 16 2012,6:45 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 16 2012,4:32 pm)

QUOTE

Sell before Maturity & Interest Rates have gone up.
An investor buys a 10 year U.S Treasury Note with a face value of $1,000 and an interest rate of 4.26%. If the investor sells the bond before it matures and interest rates have risen 2%, he or she would only receive $863.34 (plus any interest paid before the sale).

This example basically implies that borrowing rates for the U.S. government jump 2% overnight. And under these circumstances you are telling us that we should all be in equities?

Do you know the price of this bond if I sell it in 5 years and rates are up 2%? What's the price of the bond if I sell it 8 years and rates are up?

This $1,000 face value bond will pay $42.60/year in interest. If we ignore the time value of money then it takes about 3.2 years for this bond to earn enough interest so that even if rates drop 2% this investment will not lose money for the investor. Of course if I sell this bond 3 years from today and rates are up 2% it would be priced at $889.38, so technicially this investor is up $17.18. Certainly not a huge return, but then not everyone should be hunting for huge returns.

Seriously, you should talk to someone before moving completely into equities.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 16 2012,9:28 pm

Bernanke has said interest rates will most likely be allowed to rise in 2014.. Not good for short term bond investments..

CC is a typical radical republican that would love to see our country crash along with the stock market because of the policies of President Obama.. He wants Obama to have a legacy like Bush already has at the expense of the American people.. :dunce:

I think the capital gains tax should go up on the wealthy to 20% where it was before Bush..

CC thinks the wealthy won't want to make money if capital gains tax goes back to where it was under Clinton.. CC is an idiot..

He can have the returns you get in CD's and the money market.. :dunce:

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 17 2012,5:26 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 16 2012,6:01 pm)

QUOTE

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 16 2012,4:47 pm)

QUOTE

Only an idiot would think that a bond is the only fixed income investment.

Oh god I have to hear this.. Please share.. :rofl:

Savings Accounts
Money Markets
CD's
Fixed annuities
Index Annuties
Immediate annuties
Privately held REIT's

To name a few...

You should really to some homework before you go spouting off.

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 17 2012,5:52 pm

(alcitizens @ Nov. 16 2012,9:28 pm)

QUOTE

Are you some kind of wise guy? Why do you lie? Who said I wanted the stock market to go down? It has nothing to do with Obama. The fact is that when you raise a tax on somebody, they will take measures into their own hands and reduce their exposure to loss prior to the effective date of the tax change. In this case, a rising cap gain tax rate.

Do you even know what the advantages are for a person to harvest their capital gains at a 15% tax rate instead of a 20% or 30%? It's simple math. :dunce:

There is nothing radical or Republican about that, d-bag.

My original post on this topic merely stated that IF you think the cap gains rate is going to go up, then you may want to move to fixed income. I could give a rats arse what you do with your money...idiot.

:crazy:

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 17 2012,6:09 pm

Here. Why don't you read and learn something...and if you disagree the WSJ then you argue with them.

< My Webpage >

And I will stand by my statement that moving to safety may be a good idea until the harvesting is over.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 17 2012,6:36 pm

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 17 2012,6:09 pm)

QUOTE

Did you happen to read "unless Congress acts"?

Congress will act and stocks will soar.. You go ahead and miss out on the ride..

Your list of fixed income alternatives to stocks are a pathetic source of income at this time..

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 17 2012,7:37 pm

You don't do it for the income chucklehead. You do it to hedge against a potential stock market loss when people sell to take advantage of the current cap gain tax rate. Why? Because fixed income investements are more stable. Ya dig?

Oh forget it...you're waisting my time.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 17 2012,9:52 pm

(Common Citizen @ Nov. 13 2012,7:30 pm)

QUOTE

Speaking of which...

If you think the capital gains tax rates are going to go up...you best move your money to fixed income until everything blows over.

CC says:
You don't do it for income.. :dunce:

Because fixed income investments are more stable. :dunce:

You best move your money to fixed income until everything blows over. :dunce:

___

We are beyond the Bush years.. People don't need to put all their investments into a savings account drawing a 1/2 percent or less.. Not even the teabaggers in congress will do something that stupid to their own investments,
or would they.. :rofl:

Mid-terms in 2014 will be a walk in the park for Democrats if Republicans obstruct a solution to the fiscal cliff..

Poll shows Americans want deal to avert fiscal cliff

< http://www.gallup.com/poll...ication >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2012,6:49 am

"until the harvesting is over" accurate term.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 19 2012,12:42 am

For those that like to read this offers a perfect model of how you might structure a series of big trades to move the country back on the growth path - on innovation policy, tax policy, spending policy and so on.

< Open publication > - Free < publishing > - < More bargain >

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 19 2012,1:44 am

Legacy Assured: Obamacare Gaining Momentum As States Pledge Support

As of Friday, 23 states plus Washington, D.C., were proceeding; 15 said they’d defer to the federal government to run their markets and 12 were still mulling over their options. The mostly blue group proceeding included five Republican-led states. The undecided included several states that seemed to be moving toward an active role.

< http://www.newser.com/story...es.html >

Posted by Santorini on Nov. 19 2012,10:30 am

(alcitizens @ Nov. 19 2012,1:44 am)

QUOTE

You seem so proud of this?! Why?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2012,11:58 am

^ because it's his god they're talking about.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2012,12:25 pm

Wow, pride. I'm old enough to remember Nixon and I suffered through Carter but fir the first time in my life and I don't take this lightly, I'm not so proud to be an American right now.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 19 2012,3:26 pm

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 19 2012,12:25 pm)

QUOTE

I'm not so proud to be an American right now.

We’re not proud of you either!

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2012,4:16 pm

Nor you azzhole.

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 19 2012,9:03 pm

"I want my country back" :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2012,6:24 am

^ yes, I'd like my country back, one that doesn't mire it's self in a 4 year recession( sorry, we're a whole half step ahead of that) and is going to go deeper in this coming year with the tax increases that are coming.

Posted by Pretzel Logic on Nov. 20 2012,11:18 am

Don't think of them as tax increases. Think of them as subsidies for the wealthy expiring.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2012,11:42 am

So how does punishing the rich make it better for you?

All the wealth the rich have would not put a dent in our debt.

Posted by Pretzel Logic on Nov. 20 2012,11:54 am

Punish is your word. We gave them a hand up/out. Now I want my country back!

Here is a clue. Your talk radio drivel- they are not talkin' about you. :notworthy:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2012,12:10 pm

Talk radio drivel :rofl:

Do we get a Graham cracker with our milk at nappy time???

Posted by Pretzel Logic on Nov. 20 2012,12:20 pm

Are the fumes gettin' in da truck?

It seems you have an issue with anyone getting a subsidy that does not line your own pocket. Me thinks you talk out of both sides of your stacks.

I just want them to pay the same tax rate as I have to.

Who are you defending?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2012,12:36 pm

Same tax as you do?? So you actually make enough money to have to pay an income tax? Not FICA, not Medicare, actual income tax.

You must be bilingual, I'm not but I'll give it a try," el grande fries señor? Did I do it right??? :rofl:

Posted by grassman on Nov. 20 2012,1:01 pm

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 20 2012,12:36 pm)

QUOTE

You must be part politician. Dodge the question with nonsense.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2012,1:08 pm

No, I asked the question, ol'PL came back with the snakey comments. I just threw a little gas on the fire.

As for subsidies, I receive none, nor does my customer. That's reserved for the farmer and probably the ethanol plant, in your area Poet, I think.

Posted by grassman on Nov. 20 2012,2:37 pm

How can letting those tax breaks expire, be a punishment? They were a gift, with a beginning and an end. You act like they were owed forever. That is not how the law was written. Do you want to rewrite it or what?

Posted by Pretzel Logic on Nov. 20 2012,4:38 pm

The King of Quips accuses me of being "snakey" :rofl:

Thanks that was the best chuckle I had all day!

I answered your question.

Now maybe you can answer mine, who are you defending?

Are you trying to make us believe you net 250k after expenses doing a daily route?

You are either the smartest truck driver on the planet or full of sb.

That you and all of your other upper crust buddies are deserved your tax breaks for all the job creatin' you been a doin'

Your right I am bi lingual I speak English and Trucker :rofl:

One more time, they ain't talkin about you. They just got you singing their song. Hum a few more bars.

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 15 2012)

I have too admit, I make a lot of money on ethanol, but it is nothing more than "farmer welfare"

So which is it? Yes or no, one or two?

Posted by grassman on Nov. 20 2012,5:41 pm

I've been trying to hold back but I think he is full of number two! :thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2012,5:50 pm

Protecting my customer, they're the on that makes my bank account swell.

250k after expenses?? I wish but I'm not that dedicated. I've got a couple of friends that are out in the oil fields pulling almost 7k a week but I'm too old for that game.

Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 21 2012,12:06 pm

...nuff said :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 21 2012,12:15 pm

^Yep, that's about right.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 21 2012,7:32 pm

(Santorini @ Nov. 19 2012,10:30 am)

QUOTE

(alcitizens @ Nov. 19 2012,1:44 am)

QUOTE

You seem so proud of this?! Why?

Did you miss the election on Nov. 6th? The people said yes to Obamacare.. Doesn't that sting you teabaggers?

I couldn't be more proud of the sting that you feel..

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 22 2012,2:08 am

^ yes, sure, a little over 50% voted that the little under 50% should pay for everything. So why not feel proud that a bottom-feeder like yourself gets more services free. Meanwhile our economy will go future into the crapper.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 22 2012,4:56 am

^So you tell US how busy you are bragging about how much money you’re making and in the next breath you tell US how bad things are in the States.
I see why you voted for Willard Flip-Flop now, you haven’t got a clue.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 22 2012,7:18 am

^ I'm busy , but my numbers are down 8% this year. Let me guess, the union guarantees you 40 a week. How safe, how predicable.

Mine go up and down depending on the year , some years are better than some. I've been seeing some drops the last four.

But one things is for sure, I'll never get laid off.I see the future ranks of the unemployed swelling, why not? The workers need a two year rest. How about you expat, do you need a rest?

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 22 2012,10:05 pm

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 22 2012,2:08 am)

QUOTE

People are on to the Republitard ways of the future.. If you and your dorky friends wish to expand the bottom 50% to the bottom 60%, Republitards will NEVER win another election..

People still blame Bush for the explosion in poverty and won't forget soon..

Democrats will clean up your party's mess AGAIN and Republitards will again stand a chance..

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 23 2012,5:22 am

I'd rather lose than compromise my principles.

How's that inflation thing workin' for you? I have to remind myself to ask this again about April or so.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 24 2012,3:18 pm

...

Posted by grassman on Nov. 24 2012,5:30 pm

This election is a show of how the majority have felt how they have been taken advantage of by the the ones in power and money. It would be great if everyone made money the way the top has. It has not turned out that way. The top collect more while the rest pay more. It is that simple. It's math. The more you make the more you spend, up to a point. When the middle class has less to spend on stuff besides the usual necessary bills, things become stagnant. That is why the top want to go global. They have run this place dry.

Posted by pepi-lapew on Nov. 25 2012,8:11 am

Do you know how many small bussneses will close do to bimbocare? There are a lot of them that make over 250,000 dollers and thay file reg income taxes like I do. There will be alot of small retailors that will close, because of bimbocare. I have been told by 2014 my medicare will double each month. And I will start paying the same for my TRICARE mil. ins. now i can pay for all the losers that get free medical, like all the Illegals :rofl:

Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 25 2012,9:34 am

Medical care should either be free for everyone, or those losers in government should have to pay the same as everybody else. Pick one.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 25 2012,9:51 am

^ again, producers paying for the deadbeats.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 25 2012,10:03 am

Deadbeat, Short Haul truck drivers don’t make squat, best look in the mirror deadbeat.
You must be the last English speaking truck driver in that dead ~~end~~ butt profession!

Posted by grassman on Nov. 25 2012,10:37 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 25 2012,2:01 pm

(Expatriate @ Nov. 25 2012,10:03 am)

QUOTE

Deadbeat, Short Haul truck drivers don’t make squat, best look in the mirror deadbeat.
You must be the last English speaking truck driver in that dead ~~end~~ butt profession!

Ohh! Bad name calling, who peed in your cheerios? Yep, I'll probably end up one of the last but with the industry 200,000 plus drivers short I'll always make money. There's also the fact that driving truck is not all I do.

But what would a wire monkey(and I don't mean pole monkey) know about it? Anyone can pull wire, it's not hard. What I don't know how to do I just pull out the checkbook. Reminds me, I have to get ahold of the union electrician to do some more side work.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 25 2012,2:54 pm

Electrician nope, Doh

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 25 2012,3:09 pm

^ or whatever.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 16 2014,7:05 pm

Well, does he or doesn't he? Only his hairdresser knows for sure.

Wait. There's more.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 16 2014,7:11 pm

How much did the taxpayers write a check to gruber for?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 17 2014,4:21 am

^^^ I think I heard $400K a year.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 17 2014,8:57 pm

The quietness here makes me wonder if the libbies on this site are either dumbfounded in how they can argue this or perhaps it makes a good case.

I mean really. If Gruber said that Bambino had to count on the stupid American voter, where does that leave those who voter for him?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2014,4:32 am

How ironic the name of this thread is now considering what's coming out now. Absolute proof of what Buster and his followers think of their voting base. :dunce:

Now all we need is a comment from the poster who started this thread :rofl:

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 18 2014,8:49 am

You're surprised that liberals are not up in arms over the latest Fox news? :dunce:

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 18 2014,9:24 am

(Liberal @ Nov. 18 2014,8:49 am)

QUOTE

You're surprised that liberals are not up in arms over the latest Fox news? :dunce:

No, I thought the surprise was on the liberals.

Some were caught being lied to by their own.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 18 2014,9:24 am

And other liberals were caught in the lie.

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 18 2014,9:29 am

You guys think you have the smoking gun that proves ACA was a scam, what are you going to do about it? :dunce:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2014,11:13 am

Sometimes there's just not a damned thing that can be done

But the dems calling their own constituents stupid?

A little satisfaction is good for the soul

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 18 2014,11:20 am

Why can't you do anything? You kooks have the Congress, go ahead and try to impeach him over something an MIT professor said. :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2014,11:56 am

^^you confuse me for a republican or a democrat,
Me? Pretty much just a spectator,
But it is getting interesting

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 18 2014,5:42 pm

Posted by Liberal on Nov. 18 2014,5:50 pm

Right, and I'm not a democrat.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2014,5:19 am

^^don't sell yourself short :sarcasm:

You a wonderful democrat :thumbsup:

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 19 2014,8:44 am

(Liberal @ Nov. 18 2014,5:50 pm)

QUOTE

Right, and I'm not a democrat.

No more than I'm a republican.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 20 2014,9:41 am

Jim Hanson always said he wasn't a Republican, he said he was a conservative.. :rofl:

Him and his Heritage crap.. :rofl:

I'm a conservative progressive that respects the US Constitution while Republicans misinterpret it just like they do the bible.. I lean Dem.. :rofl:

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 20 2014,10:10 am

I think you're < a little more than that >.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2014,10:58 am

(alcitizens @ Nov. 20 2014,9:41 am)

QUOTE

I'm a conservative progressive

No, that would be an oxymoron

Emphasis on the moron.

Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 20 2014,6:43 pm

Blue Dog Democrats are conservative..

Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 24 2014,10:17 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 20 2014,10:58 am)

QUOTE

(alcitizens @ Nov. 20 2014,9:41 am)

QUOTE

I'm a conservative progressive

No, that would be an oxymoron

I'm not sure that it is. The example above of the Blue Dog Democrats is a good one, like Tim Penny. Or Teddy Roosevelt, he might've been a Progressive domestically but a he was a hawk on foreign policy.
< Heritage Foundation - Teddy Roosevelt: Conservative Icon or Progressive Crusader? >

Personally I don't use the term Progressive much to describe current politics. It's used by conservatives when they're repeating the diatribes they hear on Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity, so it's lost its meaning. They go after Progressivism the way the Two Minutes of Hate went after Emmanuel Goldstein.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 24 2014,11:17 am

^^^ it is progressivism, plain and simple.

Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 26 2014,4:01 pm

^You're not much of a deep thinker, are you? :;):

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 26 2014,4:18 pm

(irisheyes @ Nov. 26 2014,4:01 pm)

QUOTE

^You're not much of a deep thinker, are you? :;):

You're not much of a thinker :blush:

Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 26 2014,5:46 pm

^I have deep thoughts all the time. < Deep Thoughts Link >

Get your own valid XHTML YouTube embed code

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 26 2014,10:34 pm

^^piled higher and deeper

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 12 2015,3:22 pm

God I love this < Long-Haired Country Boy >.

QUOTE

June 8:

An Open Letter To President Obama — 2015

Dear Mr. President,

This letter is not written in a spirit of hate, disrespect, nor is it motivated in any way by racial bias and is written with respect due the office and the awesome tasks that have been laid on your shoulders.

I write this letter because I am a tax paying American citizen who has experienced the American Dream and wants his children and grandchildren to have the same advantages and opportunities that he has had.

And no, Mr. President, I was not born into a one-percenter family, I come from a blue collar background, never went to college, have made a living doing manual labor and went into my chosen profession at ground level, worked hard and sacrificed to achieve success.

On April 13, 1967 I arrived in Nashville, Tennessee with a wife, a two-year-old baby, a twenty-dollar bill and the clutch out of my car.

I won’t go into the mountains and valleys that I’ve traveled since then except to say that I have been successful and somebody did help me build the business I own. Almighty God, not the government.

I employ thirty people, good citizens and family people, hard-working people, the kind of gun-clinging, God-fearing folks who make America the greatest nation the world has ever known.

Mr. President, it seems to me that you have little faith in American ingenuity, American capability, American exceptionalism and even American patriotism.

You seem to think that America needs a monolithic, big brother type government to oversee and regulate every aspect of American life, that citizens are not competent to control their own affairs and make their own decisions without some oppressive bureaucracy to call the shots.

Mr. President, the answer is not government, conversely, the problem is government. A government that has doubled the national debt, increased unemployment, lowered take home pay, increased food stamp participation and disability claims and introduced socialized medicine.

You support teacher’s unions which take political activism more seriously than education.

You intentionally lied to the American people about your stand on marriage being between a man and woman, and continue to lie when it is politically expedient for you to do so.

You surround yourself with inexperienced ideologues and political yes men and take the advice of individuals who are swimming in waters way too deep for them.

Your petulance is unbecoming, Mr. President, and your criticism of anyone who disagrees with you is downright unmanly. You come off like a spoiled child who has been denied his way.

And while you blame your shortcomings on opposing political parties, you had both houses of congress and the White House in the first two years of your term. Plus an electoral mandate to do just about anything you wanted to, so the least you can do is cowboy up and take the blame for the messes you’ve made.

Your apparent disregard for the maintenance and morale of our armed services is extremely unwise and dangerous.

Mr. President, the office you hold is not a place for the faint of heart and when you draw a red line you’d dang well better be willing to back it up, because when you don’t every tyrant and despot in this world takes it for a sign of weakness and will take advantage, Putin and China being a prime example.

In making any kind of deal with Iran you spit in the face of Israel and plant the seeds of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.

The last report showed that the US economy actually shrunk by .07% while the national debt and other obligations grow by the day.

No matter how many apologists come forth and no matter how much double talk you and the puppets who speak for you come up with, the greatest nation the world has ever known is losing a war with a small army of criminals and thugs that grows bigger every day simply because you don’t have the guts to face the problem.

You’re running out of diversions Mr. President, slight of hand political policies eventually stop working and lies finally float to the top of water.

Time is running out for you Mr. President and the horrible thing about it is that time is running out for America too.

What do you think?

Pray for our troops and the peace of Jerusalem.

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 12 2015,3:39 pm

^^ very nice :thumbsup:

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 12 2015,4:32 pm

Typical right wing moron. Does he think God built the infrastructure to run his business? Was it God that supplied the electricity to run his business, or was it the TVA?

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 12 2015,5:42 pm

(MADDOG @ Jun. 12 2015,3:22 pm)

QUOTE

You seem to think that America needs a monolithic, big brother type government to oversee and regulate every aspect of American life, that citizens are not competent to control their own affairs and make their own decisions without some oppressive bureaucracy to call the shots.

I see comments on this site that should have been started as a NEW topic. This is one of those comments..

I have learned something really big over the past two years, people really need to watch their LOCAL government much closer..

Oversight is limited at the City level while most Township's have nearly no oversight.. Regulations may be heavy at the Federal level but locally there is limited protection for property owners..

People around these parts tend to trust their elected officials up there at City Hall.. They're making a bad mistake..

Johnny said, "Devil, just come on back if you ever wanna try again,
I done told you once—you son of a bitch—I'm the best that's ever been."

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 13 2015,6:28 am

(alcitizens @ Jun. 12 2015,5:42 pm)

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(MADDOG @ Jun. 12 2015,3:22 pm)

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We've had our tiffs over time but I wholeheartedly agree with you :thumbsup:

It's not just a saying but a fact, "all politics is local" and it seems over the decades we've slipped into a spiraling, downward plunge. Our elected officials seem to be becoming worse and worse. Instead of electing statesmen we're electing trash, substandard citizens who if put in the private sector would be barely qualified to be greeters at Wally World.

This is not a democrat or republican thing, this is both sides. The sad thing is that it has become "sides" as childish as kids playing "fort" at recess. Our salvation begins at the local level, from "dog catcher" on up.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 13 2015,9:47 am

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We've had our tiffs over time but I wholeheartedly agree with you :thumbsup:

I really did burn out on politics and I do owe you an apology.. You have the right to babble on and on about whatever you want.. :laugh:

I've done heating & air & ventilation for many years and have my Universal refrigeration certification.. I also did plumbing for many years in the trenches installing water main and sewer systems at Kroger stores in Georgia.. I was a plumber-steamfitter at Farmstead Foods in Albert Lea for a few years back in the 90's...

I can only imagine how limited our elected officials are mechanically.. Being a professional troubleshooter is something most people are not.. Our leaders have to go with what the so called experts have to say, leaving them vulnerable to being misled at any turn.. I call it leading the leaders.. :amen:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 14 2015,6:18 am

^^ accepted and offered

I think back to politicians in our recent era and the only one that I can think of that was actually close to being a statesman was Wellstone, I didn't agree with him on anything but I beleive he was honest in his heart. Very unlike the POS's we have at present, they're just egomaniacs.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 14 2015,6:16 pm

I really think the 24 hour news cycle on cable created a bunch of show boater's by all party's.. All the radicals got even more radical, Republicans are proof..

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 14 2015,8:19 pm

^^thing is we were being spoon fed bullsh!t at 5&6 o'clock when we were young. Now they just use a bigger shovel all day

Now we are being tasked to think, to consider and mostly to filter.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 15 2015,5:46 am

They make more money from one book deal than they do during their entire political career..

The crazier they talk to their base, the more free press they get to promote themselves..

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 15 2015,8:34 am

Do hard cover books actually sell that much anymore?

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 15 2015,10:01 am

(Liberal @ Jun. 12 2015,4:32 pm)

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Typical right wing moron. Does he think God built the infrastructure to run his business? Was it God that supplied the electricity to run his business, or was it the TVA?

Hey. You're making progress.

You ask if he believes God gave him what he has in his music business. I believe he has that faith.

"I choose to bow and confess now, and I invite you to join me." -Charlie Daniels