Forum: Opinion
Topic: Confederate monuments toppling
started by: Self-Banished

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,5:19 am
Statues of the civil war south are being removed or destroyed because they're considered offensive to some, mostly the left. Even the monument at Stone Moutain is in peril.

< http://www.stonemountainpark.com/Activit...Carving >

So if we're cleansing our past, let's continue on. The statue of Robert Byrd stands in Washington, he was a grand dragon of the KKK (my question is that what did he have to do to rise to that level?), that should go.

< http://www.chicagotribune.com/news...mn.html >

Any monumentation of Margaret Sanger should go as she exsposed controlling the black population through birth control, even to the point of extinction

< http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...enicist >

But I guess if we are to really be true to ourselves the Democratic Party(Nazi) is the party of slavery, who used the KKK as a military arm. So any statue or monument should be dismantled.

< https://www.prageru.com/courses...c-party >

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 21 2017,7:13 am
^^^Learning that gear pattern was your major accomplishment in life, you really don't have the brain capacity for anything past that..

They say ignorance is bliss, you don't even know how stupid you are, but that's ok we do...

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,7:29 am

(Expatriate @ Aug. 21 2017,7:13 am)
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Learning that gear pattern was your major accomplishment in life, you really don't have the brain capacity for anything past that..

They say ignorance is bliss, you don't even know how stupid you are, but that's ok we do...

I'm so glad you did'nt engage me (or your brain for that matter) on this thought provoking topic. I guess you have that Nazi lock step mentality in overdrive this AM :dunce:

Now I admit I get a bit nasty but to have you just step and insult and name call?

Further the Reich brother. :O

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 21 2017,7:45 am
^^^that you'd align yourself with Neo-Nazism, White Supremicists and the KKK isn't surprising at all...you've been posting that tripe for years..idgit
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,8:03 am

(Expatriate @ Aug. 21 2017,7:45 am)
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^^^that you'd align yourself with Neo-Nazism, White Supremicists and the KKK isn't surprising at all...you've been posting that tripe for years..idgit

At what point did I align myself with neo naziism?  You're the one who blindly belongs to that party, the one that started the KKK. We remember our history so we don't repeat it.

Hurry up and wake up Was1 , I crave intelligent debate this morning, not stupid insults from a moron or even a drive yet.

Posted by was1 on Aug. 21 2017,8:58 am
There is definitely some blind following going on.

I believe topic is removal of confederate monuments...

It is my opinion that this whole topic and issue over the last week + had totally gotten out of hand.  A group that thrives on hate is using these monuments as a rally point for their disgusting beliefs and behaviors.  That does not mean that the monuments must go.  What must go is the hate and beliefs these people have been taught and accepted.  Their hatred is really no different than the hatred that is taught in parts of the middle east toward America.  It is almost a sickness.

Keep the monuments, use them as a teaching of our history, even the bad, and learn from it.  Teach from it what was wrong.  Show them the acceptance that they cannot.

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 21 2017,9:51 am

(was1 @ Aug. 21 2017,8:58 am)
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Keep the monuments, use them as a teaching of our history, even the bad, and learn from it.  Teach from it what was wrong.  Show them the acceptance that they cannot.

:clap:

I sarcastically suggested (on a much more widely-viewed media) that, being of Lakota lineage, I could be offended by statues of George Armstrong Custer, and that they should come down. Ridiculous.

The point has been made that the bulk of Confederate statues were erected either during the Jim Crow South years, or during the equal rights movement of the 50's and 60's, and as such, directly correlates to some sort of intended oppression of blacks. I can't speak directly to that, and I doubt few people alive could.

It is a choice to be offended. Try to choose something worthwhile to be offended about, like kids murdering kids in places with names like Baltimore and Chicago. Choose to be offended by the skyrocketing cost of healthcare, or a local clinic system walking back its commitment to the community. But statues? Microagressions? Inauthentic ethnic food? C'mon.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,9:57 am
^^ last two posts :D
Very well said. :clap:

Posted by pepi-lapew on Sep. 12 2017,6:52 pm
I think the city needs to dump Col. albert lea he was a nasty REBEL
Posted by Expatriate on Sep. 13 2017,8:08 am
^^^Bancroft - Bath - Clover - Deer Creek - Fairfield - Itasca - Knatvold - Lerdal - Moscow - Newry - St. Nicholas - Sigsbee - Trenton were all thriving townships in Freeborn County that faded into history, if Albert Lea loses this battle with Mayo it'll be the next name on the list.

The question on these monuments is why they were constructed in the first place. To honor a rebel army and rebel leaders that tried not only to seceded from the union but attacked our army at Ft Sumter and started one of the bloodiest periods of our history.

These people should never have been honored in the first place, today these monuments are an insult to every American as they have become relaying points for clan types as I suspect they've been all along..

As to Albert Lea/
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In 1835, Companies B, H, and I of the United States Dragoons, under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Stephen W. Kearney, came through Freeborn County.  One of the members of the expedition was Lieutenant Albert Miller Lea, topographer.  Lieutenant Lea sketched the outline of the lake that he named “Fox Lake”.  Joseph Nicollet later renamed the lake, Lake Albert Lea.  In 1855, a small settlement began on the northwest edge of the lake and the town became known as Albert Lea, named after the lake—which was named in honor of Lieutenant Albert Lea.


Hence the name Albert Lea was established before the Civil War...no need to change it, it'll fade into history like the other failed Freeborn County townships.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 14 2017,6:29 am
^^ yes, these monuments were erected to honor the men who fought. I and many others found the Vietnam war offensive and just flat out wrong, shall we start tearing down those monuments?

Albert Lea will never fade away, the real estate is far to valuable and has been run by incompetences for decades. Voting in new leadership might be a problem though with all the nursing home residents in town. It might be that decades of mismanagement need to be fixed with decades of vision.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 14 2017,6:52 am
and then I go to read the fishwrap online and I see this, exactly what I was referring to,

< http://www.albertleatribune.com/2017...-amazon >

Wtf? This is the kind of leadership we get? Some spineless mumbling idiot? Amazon is going to compete with Target and Best Buy no matter where they locate! Cheez&crackers almighty! This is the kind of thinking that's put AL in the condition they're in now. :angry:

Posted by was1 on Sep. 14 2017,7:49 am
I would love to see a study done on the actual benefit of all the tax incentives that are given out to companies everywhere.  You can start with the TIF District that was created on East Main years ago.  I don't even think any of the things it was created for are even there anymore.

How about the supposed package Wis is doing.  What will the actual payback be for the residents of Wis?

Before our state starts throwing $ at them, I want to see what we are truly going to get for that investment, and also, what the hurt difference to Target, Best Buy, and others may be if they locate in MN or if the locate elsewhere.

Posted by Self-Banished on Sep. 14 2017,9:14 am
^ in the era of online shopping the difference between Amazon moving here or bumfk Iowa would most likely be nil.
Posted by hymiebravo on Sep. 17 2017,1:31 pm
I would look at Iowa. . .

Milder winters. . . lower cost of living.

Target sucks. . They botched going into Canaduh. They remind me of what Mayo Clinic is like today. As Expat said top heavy overstaffed in the wrong places, wasteful. . . probably looking at the future in the wrong way.

Best Buy. . it's there. If you need a vacuous building with big TVs in it it suffices. Nothing particularly outstanding about them. imo

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