Forum: Opinion
Topic: Trumps New Low Point
started by: was1

Posted by was1 on Jul. 25 2017,7:33 am
To me, this was his low point.  To give a politicized speech at the National Jamboree to 35,000+ Boy Scouts is just wrong on so many levels.  

If you are going to go there and talk to the Scouts than do so in a good and positive way, not one in which you get them to boo the former president, hammer the media and even threaten the job of one of your cabinet members, who was a Boy Scout.

Someone in his circle has got to get some type of control on him and get him to wake up a little.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 25 2017,8:38 am
Trump is a mere distraction, his antics and hate speech eat the headlines while the Republicans decimate the country.
 
< http://www.ncpssm.org/PressRo...Process >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 25 2017,9:09 am

(was1 @ Jul. 25 2017,7:33 am)
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Someone in his circle has got to get some type of control on him and get him to wake up a little.

Thought this of the prior White House resident :blush:

Did Buster even acknowledge the Boy Scouts?

Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 25 2017,11:24 am

(Expatriate @ Jul. 25 2017,8:38 am)
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Trump is a mere distraction, his antics and hate speech eat the headlines while the Republicans decimate the country.
 
< http://www.ncpssm.org/PressRo...Process >

From the article: "The savings from these devastating cuts will likely go to tax breaks for the wealthy.  Last year’s House Republican tax plan gave 99.6% of its benefits to the top one-percent of earners, with virtually nothing for middle and low income Americans."

Yeah. Put sick and elderly people in yet more jeopardy, and pass the savings onto rich f@cks that don't need the money they have already.

This is making America great again???

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 25 2017,12:47 pm
^^ JEEZUS, When a f$king broken record. You are practiced in this response or do you occasionally have to go to CNN for talking points. :dunce:
Posted by was1 on Jul. 25 2017,1:18 pm
This is not about Obama, however, he did send a video message in 2010.  He also met with scouts at other times.  Also, a number of other past presidents did not attend Jamborees while they were in office.

No other president who has attended or sent a message ever used the platform to do what Trump did.  It was not a political rally, it was a Boy Scout Jamboree.  Trump would have done good to have looked back at what previous Presidents have done for the Jamboree.  

Shows me a few things: 1) if it is not all about him, he will make it be.  2) He has no clue of how to learn who his audience will be and then speak to them.  3)  even when he does something this wrong/disgusting/confusing/idiotic the Trumpers will still 100% support it.  Sad, very sad.

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 26 2017,9:46 am
Drug test the congress and the president.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2017,4:12 am

(hymiebravo @ Jul. 26 2017,9:46 am)
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Drug test the congress and the president.

This we agree on. :thumbsup:  also any welfare recipients.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 27 2017,8:33 am
The IMF lowered its economic growth forecasts for the United States to 2.1% for this year and the next, down from the 2.3% for 2017 and 2.5% for 2018 that it had predicted in April.

The forecasts are a far cry from the 4% growth President Trump promised on the campaign trail, and lower than the 3% growth he targeted since assuming office.

< http://money.cnn.com/2017...ex.html >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2017,10:58 am
^^ really? In my little corner of the world my numbers are way up, over 13% for the year.

If we look at the DJ it's closing in on 22K, adding over 4trillon of value since President Trump's been elected.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2017,12:21 pm
< https://www.google.com/amp...-2017-7 >
:D

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 27 2017,3:10 pm
^^More smoke and mirrors for the gullible.. Foxconn promised 30 million dollars and 500 jobs to the State of Pennsylvania several years ago. Guess how many came to fruition???  ZERO

Trump is touting this just like the Carrier fiasco, he gave them 7 million in taxpayer money and they moved the jobs to Mexico.
You have to wonder how much Foxxconn will get in taxpayer money.

Admit it, Trump is a con and you're an easy mark!    

< https://www.theverge.com/2016...cturing >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2017,8:11 pm
^^ the long haulers sure like calling you easy.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 28 2017,6:19 am
^^There you go showing US your smarts again..

This Foxxcon deal is Corporate rape of the taxpayers, hailed by the con in the White House.

MADISON - A plan to bring a massive Foxconn Technology Group plant to Wisconsin could cost $1 billion to $3 billion in local, state and federal incentives over coming years —

< http://www.jsonline.com/story...9975001 >

Posted by was1 on Jul. 28 2017,8:43 am
Back on Topic . . .

The Boy Scouts of America issued a letter apology for the "political" nature of Trump's speech.  I felt it was a good letter and said what it needed to.  Unfortunately, the White House refuses to acknowledge that what was done and said was not appropriate.  And even sadder to me, is the comments that some have made on the Boy Scout site where the letter is posted.  The way they are complaining about it (both ways some for some against) is more disgusting than what he said.

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 28 2017,12:03 pm
What would be his motivation to change what he's doing. . . ?

It's all bean pretty successful for him thus far.

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 28 2017,12:09 pm
Trump has lots of TV experience.

Were the stilted sort of on cue canned sounding roars from the crowd the people that I heard were hired to come there?

At any rate it sounded. . . 'fake'

To use the popular term that Trump brought into fashion. . .

Everybody uses it now.

Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 08 2017,4:44 pm
GDP(Economic Growth) and Dow/Jones have nothing in common.. Obama created an economic environment that put the DOW at 22,000.. Numb Nuts had nothing to do with it...

The markets know Trump is close to powerless to change the stability of Obama policy which eliminates the uncertainty..

Markets don't like uncertainty..

Trump is what you would call a Lame F%ck.. :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 09 2017,5:04 am
The Dow dropped to what, 6600 or so in 2007? For reasons I've stated elsewhere on this forum, it had nowhere to go but up. Buster ruled incompetently over the slowest recovery in history. Yes Al, the market hates uncertainty thus the cause for the snails like pace over the last 8 years. In the last 8-9 months the market has gained tremendously, nearing 25%, wow! If stroke lady had been elected we'd most likely be cycling through a recession now.

And now, the next hurdle, NOKO, hopefully China will step up and sing Kimmy a lullaby, maybe one he doesn't awake from. It's in China's best interest, if Kimmy drops an egg it's gonna upset the whole apple cart and the world's economy possibly goes into the sh!tter.

Stay tuned kiddies :D

Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 10 2017,4:18 pm
N Korea has to get permission to wipe their rear ends from CHINA.. What you see is all decisions coming from CHINA..

It is Communist support for Trump coming from CHINA to make him look tough and possibly keep him in office for his entire 4 year term..

Go ahead and waste your money buying a bomb shelter.. :rofl:  :crazy:

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 15 2017,4:38 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 09 2017,5:04 am)
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The Dow dropped to what, 6600 or so in 2007? For reasons I've stated elsewhere on this forum, it had nowhere to go but up. Buster ruled incompetently over the slowest recovery in history. Yes Al, the market hates uncertainty thus the cause for the snails like pace over the last 8 years. In the last 8-9 months the market has gained tremendously, nearing 25%, wow! If stroke lady had been elected we'd most likely be cycling through a recession now.

The Dow? Seriously? That thing is a fracking bubble of imaginary currency, being shuffled about in a craps game, by @ssholes rolling loaded dice. F@¢k that. That right there will be the instrument of more fiscal undoing, long before weed-smoking welfare recipients, the villain of the piece you conservative wingnuts would have the rest of us fixate on.

And, by the way, the chaos of '07 came about during the lame duck term of Bush #43, a Republican President. To indicate a belief that this was somehow Obama's fault suggests a real and present disconnect from reality. Trump will preside over the biggest economic collapse since '07, and still you tards will still be saying that it's somehow Obama's fault.  :p

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 15 2017,6:25 am
The DOW is how businesses get financed, people invest to hopefully grow there money with the company, it doesn't always work but no one's forcing anybody. Research and smart decisions rule the day.

So I must repeat myself, the recession of 07 was caused by policies put in place by liberal idiots who pretty much forced banks to lend to less than credit worthy borrowers, morons that bought more house than they could afford with little down, that when interest rates dropped and they could refinance to lower their payment or term used their house like a kid with a piggy bank, hammer and total lack of common sense.

The auto makers sold their souls the the devil (unions) years ago by bending over every time there was a threat of a shutdown. These and a few other factors drove a slightly worse than usual recession.

Buster and his pet media suckered the gullible in this country into thinking this was the worst economic set back since FDR unnecessarily lengthened the depression then used that impression to make himself look moderately good when the economy started crawling back which it should have roared back.

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 15 2017,8:10 am
^^^Deregulation, derivatives and the housing bubble, the drop in home value, and all the yuppies walking away from their overpriced McMansions.  Mortgage delinquency was everywhere, not just in low-income folks as you suggest.  

In 1999 the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed Glass-Steagall, this allowed traditional banks invested in risky derivatives, It's deregulation for quick profit, hedge fund trading with derivatives, the increased profit caused a feeding frenzy, Banks moved to subprime interest only loans.. Banks always held the right to decided who got the loans but Third-Party Mortgage Originators forged documents to increase profit, remember all those TV commercials from those crooks ... not to mention American International Group (AIG) part in the mess, the economic collapse was the real deal not bull as you would have US believe..

the whole mess was caused by deregulation and greed of the banksters and left the taxpayer on the hook.

The Republican's are right back at it, Deregulate and rob the rube bills are in the works..  

We need regulation, you can't have the fox guarding the chicken coop.

Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 15 2017,8:55 am
I trust bankers and politicians about as much as a fart after eating bad Chinese food...
That being said we do need regulation... but smart regulation.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 16 2017,5:12 am

(Expatriate @ Aug. 15 2017,8:10 am)
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^^^Deregulation, derivatives and the housing bubble, the drop in home value, and all the yuppies walking away from their overpriced McMansions.  Mortgage delinquency was everywhere, not just in low-income folks as you suggest.  

In 1999 the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed Glass-Steagall, this allowed traditional banks invested in risky derivatives, It's deregulation for quick profit, hedge fund trading with derivatives, the increased profit caused a feeding frenzy, Banks moved to subprime interest only loans.. Banks always held the right to decided who got the loans but Third-Party Mortgage Originators forged documents to increase profit, remember all those TV commercials from those crooks ... not to mention American International Group (AIG) part in the mess, the economic collapse was the real deal not bull as you would have US believe..

the whole mess was caused by deregulation and greed of the banksters and left the taxpayer on the hook.

The Republican's are right back at it, Deregulate and rob the rube bills are in the works..  

We need regulation, you can't have the fox guarding the chicken coop.

Of course, more regulation, stupid people need to be saved from their own stupidity. Never mind there were far more idiots that borrowed 110% of the equity in their home when the market reached the top. There were far more of these types than the "McMansion" owners. Nobody held a gun to their heads and said "sign for the loan"

And of course the unions aren't at fault :sarcasm: Decades of politicians wanting nothing more than to be reelected so they capitulated and gave the government union dweebs whatever they wanted, that chicken has yet to roost but it's coming, soon, look at Illinois or California.

Yes, some banks and hucksters are to blame but the majority of the blame goes to the irresponsible, the twits that were brainlessly lured by liberal idealists who convinced them that they were owed.

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 16 2017,9:08 am
^^^^You have the right idea on credit debt but you're pointing the finger at the wrong culprit..
Maybe you don't remember because you're not old enough, but in the sixties/seventies you had to prove yourself before credit was extended. Credit cards weren't just handed out in mailed advertisements, home loans required a substantial down-payment. This was all part of New Deal legislation, restrictions on mortgage lending, These restrictions were put in place in the 1930s by political leaders who had just experienced a terrible financial crisis, and were trying to prevent another.

So what happened, Reagan and the era of deregulation, to quote Ronny "Government is the problem, not the solution"...
Deregulation has turn America into a credit based economy doomed to failure..

There’s plenty of blame to go around, But Reagan and his administration hold the most , they forgot the lessons of America’s last great financial crisis,( The Great Depression ) and condemned the rest of us to repeat it.  

Deregulation is the enemy of our society...

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,4:52 am
^^ don't look at me pal, every house I've ever bought I've put a least 20% down.

Reagan gave the people opportunity, the Nazis gave people who had no business owning a home free reign, Barney Frank ring a bell?

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,5:04 am
Trump accomplishments

since Trump took office:



Illegal immigration is down 78%

ICE arrests are up nearly 400%

Neil Gorsuch appointed to the Supreme Court maintaining a conservative majority

Dow hits 22,000 for 1st time

Stock market is up nearly "20%" since Trump won the election

Unemployment is down 4 straight months

Over 1 million jobs added to the economy in the last 6 months

Jobless claims are at their lowest level in 28 years

Food stamp use is down 4% (it rose 300% in Obama's Administration)

Toyota and Mazda are building a $1.6 billion dollar plant that will create 4000 jobs

Foxconn is building a $10 billion dollar plant that will create 13,000 jobs

$4 trillion added to market value since President Trump was elected

National debt went down ($108B) for the first time since before Clinton took office

Economic growth each month higher than any month under Obama

Consumer Confidence at a 16 year high

Pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accord (Thank God!)

Massive lift of Government regulations (largest reduction in US history)

Religious Freedoms Executive Bill signed

EPA mandate to lift regulations on coal and energy sectors

Have signed over 40 Republican bills into law

Dakota Access and Keystone Pipeline is back in operation

Stopped Federal funding to abortion groups

The UN funding has gone down dramatically

The bid process to build the wall has begun.

Deporting of criminal illegal aliens up over 400%

Sanctuary cities are being de-funded

A freeze on refugees coming from 6 terror nations

TPP is being dismantled completely

A freeze order on hiring federal employees

A freeze on ALL of Obama's regulations

Dodd-Frank is on the docket to be repealed

New trade agreements with Mexico, China, Canada and South Korea

7 top ISIS leaders killed

Took back Mosul

Cancelling of all of Obama’s illegal executive orders

Executive order to stop Obamacare penalties

The US has increased oil production by 500,000 barrels

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 18 2017,7:38 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 18 2017,4:52 am)
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Reagan gave the people opportunity, the Nazis gave people who had no business owning a home free reign, Barney Frank ring a bell?

Please explain how the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act signed into law July 21, 2010 had anything to do with the 2007 financial meltdown!

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...   >

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis >

Just when did this fiasco occur and who was in-charge, if you want to blame someone try W and the Republicans/Reaganomics/deregulation... idgit

< https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news...15.html >

Posted by was1 on Aug. 18 2017,7:52 am
SB - provide sources and documentation of your claims above of accomplishments.

Also, please explain how the market, unemployment, etc. has anything to do with Trump.  I posted facts with data to support on similar a few weeks back and you basically blew them off, now you want to use similar to say he is doing great.

most of what he has put into law has come from exertive orders.  you remember, those things he complained about when O did them?  Oh you point out that they were "illegal".  do tell how they are illegal yet trumps are not.  

Thought O took too many vacations.  T has way out done him and he promised us that he would not take vacations because he would be too busy.

you forgot a few other accomplishments:

- historic low approval rating
- non stop lies and trying to change history
- driving a wedge between people in this country like never before

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 18 2017,9:03 am
Don't wait too long for answers to your questions, was1. You know how this works...  :D
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,12:19 pm

(Expatriate @ Aug. 18 2017,7:38 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 18 2017,4:52 am)
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Reagan gave the people opportunity, the Nazis gave people who had no business owning a home free reign, Barney Frank ring a bell?

Please explain how the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act signed into law July 21, 2010 had anything to do with the 2007 financial meltdown!

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...   >

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis >

Just when did this fiasco occur and who was in-charge, if you want to blame someone try W and the Republicans/Reaganomics/deregulation... idgit

< https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news...15.html >

Maybe a history lesson is needed

< https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/249903/ >

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 18 2017,1:51 pm
^^^The Atlantic won't let me read your tripe because I block their trackers...but it's an article written by Peter Wallison, a Reagan era insider who's partly to blame for the financial fiasco, your far right sources hold little value in this discussion...


This comes from W's White House Idgit read it and weep..this guys cabinet was full of Enron boys...  
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President Hosts Conference on Minority Homeownership
October 15, 2002

Today's Presidential Action

President George W. Bush hosted the White House Conference on Minority Homeownership to discuss public and private sector efforts to address the homeownership gap and increase the number of minority homeowners in America.

In June, President Bush announced the national goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million by the end of this decade. Meeting the President's goal will not only help more Americans enjoy the benefits of owning their own homes it will also help strengthen America's economy. According to a study released today by the Department of Housing and Urban Development, meeting the President's goal will involve $256 billion in economic activity in the form of construction and remodeling jobs, spending on household goods, and other benefits.

Background on Today's Presidential Action

While the overall homeownership rate has reached an all-time high of nearly 68 percent, recent statistics point to a homeownership gap. The second quarter 2002 Census data show that non-Hispanic whites have a 74.3% homeownership rate, while African-Americans have a 48% rate, Hispanics a 47.6% rate; and Asian-Americans and other races a 53.7% homeownership rate.

In June, President Bush announced an aggressive homeownership agenda to dismantle barriers to homeownership by providing down payment assistance, increasing the supply of affordable homes, increasing support for self-help homeownership programs, and simplifying the homebuying process and increasing education. The President also issued "America's Homeownership Challenge" to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to join in his effort to increase the number of minority homeowners by taking concrete steps to tear down the barriers to homeownership that face minority families.

The Bush Administration is working to increase homeownership among minority Americans through a number of new and expanded initiatives, as well as through ongoing programs administered by HUD and other federal departments, including:

Providing Downpayment Assistance. The single biggest barrier to homeownership is accumulating funds for a downpayment. The President has proposed $200 million annually for the American Dream Downpayment Fund to help roughly 40,000 families a year with their downpayment and closing costs. In addition, the Administration has proposed the use of Section 8 funding to assist with downpayments, and provides downpayment assistance to low-income and minority homebuyers through the Community Development Financial Institutions (CDFI) Fund at the Department of Treasury.

Increasing the Supply of Affordable Homes. The President wants to dramatically increase the supply of homes available to low and moderate income families. The President has proposed the Single-Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit, which will provide approximately $2.4 billion to encourage the production of 200,000 affordable homes for sale to low and moderate income families.

Increasing Support for Self-Help Homeownership Programs. The President's budget triples funding for organizations like Habitat for Humanity that help families help themselves become homeowners through 'sweat equity' and volunteerism in their communities.

Simplifying the Home Buying Process & Increasing Education. Today's homebuyers face a confusing and complicated process. President Bush wants to empower homebuyers by making it easier for them to understand the process and benefit from cost savings. Through the Homebuyer Bill of Rights, the Bush Administration is proposing to make the settlement process easier for all consumers when purchasing a home, thereby protecting homebuyers through increased competition and simplicity. Working together, the Federal Trade Commission and HUD have begun targeting enforcement activities to stop predatory lenders from preying on uneducated homebuyers. The President also wants to expand financial education efforts so families can better understand what they need to do to become homeowners. The Departments of HUD, Treasury, and Education are working diligently to educate families about homeownership through counseling programs and financial literacy efforts. Specifically, HUD has proposed increasing housing counseling activities by 75% and is collaborating with the FDIC on a "MONEY SMART" program of financial education in minority neighborhoods.

Providing Better Financing Opportunities. The Departments of HUD and Agriculture make it possible for thousands upon thousands of families to achieve homeownership through the Federal and Rural Housing Administrations, which insure almost $100 billion in loans each year. The Administration also implemented a hybrid Adjustable Rate Mortgage (ARM) product that makes it easier for new homebuyers to stay in their homes in the first few years.

America's Homeownership Challenge

Since the President's call to action in June, private and nonprofit partners in the real estate and mortgage finance industries have been working with the Department of Housing and Urban Development to increase minority homeownership. Commitments made by these partners include:

Substantially increasing, by at least $440 billion, the financial commitment made by the government-sponsored enterprises involved in the secondary mortgage market specifically targeted toward the minority market.

Launching twenty-five different local initiatives across the nation, geared toward eliminating the specific homeownership barriers faced by minority families in those communities;

Raising $750 million in below-market-rate investments by 2007, which will work in collaboration with local homeownership initiatives and be targeted to heavily minority program areas;

Pursuing strategic partnerships in 20 top housing markets between homebuilders, lenders, local officials, and community leaders to develop approaches that address the local challenges to building homes for minority families living in urban centers;

Establishing faith-based housing partnerships between the participants and at least 100 churches, mosques, synagogues, and other faith-based institutions;

Aggressively developing new mortgage products so that conventional market alternatives are available to combat the predatory loan products that are disproportionately targeted to minorities;

Creating new mortgage products to meet the unique needs of recent immigrants;

Dramatically expanding financial education efforts for minorities, providing financial counseling to at least 380,000 minority families, and taking measures at the local level to reduce predatory lending; and

Establishing multilingual, consumer-oriented Internet Web sites designed to help minorities overcome barriers to homeownership, including creation of a central data bank of affordable housing programs made available to real estate agents when working with clients.

For more information on the President's initiatives, please visit

< www.whitehouse.gov >

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,2:26 pm
^^ as to your Nazi tripe sources.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 18 2017,2:51 pm
^^^ only you would label the White House Archives as a Nazi source and a opinion piece in the Atlantic from a Reagan Administration insider a viable source..idgit

Bannon is out— Brietbart will turn on Trump, he's already at a higher disapproval rating than Nixon when he went down—Trumps cornered, will Mueller take him down, will the Military take him out in a coup, or will Congress invoke the 25th Amendment ...my guess Trump doesn't last the year, maybe he'll seek asylum at the Russian Embassy...this lying birther is getting just what he deserves..draft dodging spoiled rich boy...

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,3:35 pm
^^^ the Russian bullsh!t again?:dunce:  :dunce:  :dunce:

My God you're stupid, lay off the poutine, those little gravy globulals are hampering your thought patterns. :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 19 2017,8:51 am
^^W. Bush wasn't the only President to push low income home-ownership, but his Administration oversaw the Subprime mess and continued their Laissez-faire attitude toward business...
When Bush finally came around it was too late the financial meltdown was upon US.. And once again this default was across the board it wasn't just poor people as you would have US assume...  

lesson of the Day: This is what deregulation and Laissez-faire Republican style government = corruption...

Back on Topic

To counter your list of Trumps accomplishments (which for the Most Part he had nothing to do with) I'll let CNN counter on the last four weeks...    



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