Forum: Opinion
Topic: Trumps New Low Point
started by: was1

Posted by was1 on Jul. 25 2017,7:33 am
To me, this was his low point.  To give a politicized speech at the National Jamboree to 35,000+ Boy Scouts is just wrong on so many levels.  

If you are going to go there and talk to the Scouts than do so in a good and positive way, not one in which you get them to boo the former president, hammer the media and even threaten the job of one of your cabinet members, who was a Boy Scout.

Someone in his circle has got to get some type of control on him and get him to wake up a little.

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 25 2017,8:38 am
Trump is a mere distraction, his antics and hate speech eat the headlines while the Republicans decimate the country.
 
< http://www.ncpssm.org/PressRo...Process >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 25 2017,9:09 am

(was1 @ Jul. 25 2017,7:33 am)
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Someone in his circle has got to get some type of control on him and get him to wake up a little.

Thought this of the prior White House resident :blush:

Did Buster even acknowledge the Boy Scouts?

Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 25 2017,11:24 am

(Expatriate @ Jul. 25 2017,8:38 am)
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Trump is a mere distraction, his antics and hate speech eat the headlines while the Republicans decimate the country.
 
< http://www.ncpssm.org/PressRo...Process >

From the article: "The savings from these devastating cuts will likely go to tax breaks for the wealthy.  Last year’s House Republican tax plan gave 99.6% of its benefits to the top one-percent of earners, with virtually nothing for middle and low income Americans."

Yeah. Put sick and elderly people in yet more jeopardy, and pass the savings onto rich f@cks that don't need the money they have already.

This is making America great again???

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 25 2017,12:47 pm
^^ JEEZUS, When a f$king broken record. You are practiced in this response or do you occasionally have to go to CNN for talking points. :dunce:
Posted by was1 on Jul. 25 2017,1:18 pm
This is not about Obama, however, he did send a video message in 2010.  He also met with scouts at other times.  Also, a number of other past presidents did not attend Jamborees while they were in office.

No other president who has attended or sent a message ever used the platform to do what Trump did.  It was not a political rally, it was a Boy Scout Jamboree.  Trump would have done good to have looked back at what previous Presidents have done for the Jamboree.  

Shows me a few things: 1) if it is not all about him, he will make it be.  2) He has no clue of how to learn who his audience will be and then speak to them.  3)  even when he does something this wrong/disgusting/confusing/idiotic the Trumpers will still 100% support it.  Sad, very sad.

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 26 2017,9:46 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2017,4:12 am

(hymiebravo @ Jul. 26 2017,9:46 am)
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Drug test the congress and the president.

This we agree on. :thumbsup:  also any welfare recipients.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 27 2017,8:33 am
The IMF lowered its economic growth forecasts for the United States to 2.1% for this year and the next, down from the 2.3% for 2017 and 2.5% for 2018 that it had predicted in April.

The forecasts are a far cry from the 4% growth President Trump promised on the campaign trail, and lower than the 3% growth he targeted since assuming office.

< http://money.cnn.com/2017...ex.html >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2017,10:58 am
^^ really? In my little corner of the world my numbers are way up, over 13% for the year.

If we look at the DJ it's closing in on 22K, adding over 4trillon of value since President Trump's been elected.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2017,12:21 pm
< https://www.google.com/amp...-2017-7 >
:D

Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 27 2017,3:10 pm
^^More smoke and mirrors for the gullible.. Foxconn promised 30 million dollars and 500 jobs to the State of Pennsylvania several years ago. Guess how many came to fruition???  ZERO

Trump is touting this just like the Carrier fiasco, he gave them 7 million in taxpayer money and they moved the jobs to Mexico.
You have to wonder how much Foxxconn will get in taxpayer money.

Admit it, Trump is a con and you're an easy mark!    

< https://www.theverge.com/2016...cturing >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2017,8:11 pm
^^ the long haulers sure like calling you easy.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 28 2017,6:19 am
^^There you go showing US your smarts again..

This Foxxcon deal is Corporate rape of the taxpayers, hailed by the con in the White House.

MADISON - A plan to bring a massive Foxconn Technology Group plant to Wisconsin could cost $1 billion to $3 billion in local, state and federal incentives over coming years —

< http://www.jsonline.com/story...9975001 >

Posted by was1 on Jul. 28 2017,8:43 am
Back on Topic . . .

The Boy Scouts of America issued a letter apology for the "political" nature of Trump's speech.  I felt it was a good letter and said what it needed to.  Unfortunately, the White House refuses to acknowledge that what was done and said was not appropriate.  And even sadder to me, is the comments that some have made on the Boy Scout site where the letter is posted.  The way they are complaining about it (both ways some for some against) is more disgusting than what he said.

Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 28 2017,12:03 pm
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Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 08 2017,4:44 pm
GDP(Economic Growth) and Dow/Jones have nothing in common.. Obama created an economic environment that put the DOW at 22,000.. Numb Nuts had nothing to do with it...

The markets know Trump is close to powerless to change the stability of Obama policy which eliminates the uncertainty..

Markets don't like uncertainty..

Trump is what you would call a Lame F%ck.. :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 09 2017,5:04 am
The Dow dropped to what, 6600 or so in 2007? For reasons I've stated elsewhere on this forum, it had nowhere to go but up. Buster ruled incompetently over the slowest recovery in history. Yes Al, the market hates uncertainty thus the cause for the snails like pace over the last 8 years. In the last 8-9 months the market has gained tremendously, nearing 25%, wow! If stroke lady had been elected we'd most likely be cycling through a recession now.

And now, the next hurdle, NOKO, hopefully China will step up and sing Kimmy a lullaby, maybe one he doesn't awake from. It's in China's best interest, if Kimmy drops an egg it's gonna upset the whole apple cart and the world's economy possibly goes into the sh!tter.

Stay tuned kiddies :D

Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 10 2017,4:18 pm
N Korea has to get permission to wipe their rear ends from CHINA.. What you see is all decisions coming from CHINA..

It is Communist support for Trump coming from CHINA to make him look tough and possibly keep him in office for his entire 4 year term..

Go ahead and waste your money buying a bomb shelter.. :rofl:  :crazy:

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 15 2017,4:38 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 09 2017,5:04 am)
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The Dow dropped to what, 6600 or so in 2007? For reasons I've stated elsewhere on this forum, it had nowhere to go but up. Buster ruled incompetently over the slowest recovery in history. Yes Al, the market hates uncertainty thus the cause for the snails like pace over the last 8 years. In the last 8-9 months the market has gained tremendously, nearing 25%, wow! If stroke lady had been elected we'd most likely be cycling through a recession now.

The Dow? Seriously? That thing is a fracking bubble of imaginary currency, being shuffled about in a craps game, by @ssholes rolling loaded dice. F@¢k that. That right there will be the instrument of more fiscal undoing, long before weed-smoking welfare recipients, the villain of the piece you conservative wingnuts would have the rest of us fixate on.

And, by the way, the chaos of '07 came about during the lame duck term of Bush #43, a Republican President. To indicate a belief that this was somehow Obama's fault suggests a real and present disconnect from reality. Trump will preside over the biggest economic collapse since '07, and still you tards will still be saying that it's somehow Obama's fault.  :p

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 15 2017,6:25 am
The DOW is how businesses get financed, people invest to hopefully grow there money with the company, it doesn't always work but no one's forcing anybody. Research and smart decisions rule the day.

So I must repeat myself, the recession of 07 was caused by policies put in place by liberal idiots who pretty much forced banks to lend to less than credit worthy borrowers, morons that bought more house than they could afford with little down, that when interest rates dropped and they could refinance to lower their payment or term used their house like a kid with a piggy bank, hammer and total lack of common sense.

The auto makers sold their souls the the devil (unions) years ago by bending over every time there was a threat of a shutdown. These and a few other factors drove a slightly worse than usual recession.

Buster and his pet media suckered the gullible in this country into thinking this was the worst economic set back since FDR unnecessarily lengthened the depression then used that impression to make himself look moderately good when the economy started crawling back which it should have roared back.

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 15 2017,8:10 am
^^^Deregulation, derivatives and the housing bubble, the drop in home value, and all the yuppies walking away from their overpriced McMansions.  Mortgage delinquency was everywhere, not just in low-income folks as you suggest.  

In 1999 the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed Glass-Steagall, this allowed traditional banks invested in risky derivatives, It's deregulation for quick profit, hedge fund trading with derivatives, the increased profit caused a feeding frenzy, Banks moved to subprime interest only loans.. Banks always held the right to decided who got the loans but Third-Party Mortgage Originators forged documents to increase profit, remember all those TV commercials from those crooks ... not to mention American International Group (AIG) part in the mess, the economic collapse was the real deal not bull as you would have US believe..

the whole mess was caused by deregulation and greed of the banksters and left the taxpayer on the hook.

The Republican's are right back at it, Deregulate and rob the rube bills are in the works..  

We need regulation, you can't have the fox guarding the chicken coop.

Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 15 2017,8:55 am
I trust bankers and politicians about as much as a fart after eating bad Chinese food...
That being said we do need regulation... but smart regulation.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 16 2017,5:12 am

(Expatriate @ Aug. 15 2017,8:10 am)
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^^^Deregulation, derivatives and the housing bubble, the drop in home value, and all the yuppies walking away from their overpriced McMansions.  Mortgage delinquency was everywhere, not just in low-income folks as you suggest.  

In 1999 the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed Glass-Steagall, this allowed traditional banks invested in risky derivatives, It's deregulation for quick profit, hedge fund trading with derivatives, the increased profit caused a feeding frenzy, Banks moved to subprime interest only loans.. Banks always held the right to decided who got the loans but Third-Party Mortgage Originators forged documents to increase profit, remember all those TV commercials from those crooks ... not to mention American International Group (AIG) part in the mess, the economic collapse was the real deal not bull as you would have US believe..

the whole mess was caused by deregulation and greed of the banksters and left the taxpayer on the hook.

The Republican's are right back at it, Deregulate and rob the rube bills are in the works..  

We need regulation, you can't have the fox guarding the chicken coop.

Of course, more regulation, stupid people need to be saved from their own stupidity. Never mind there were far more idiots that borrowed 110% of the equity in their home when the market reached the top. There were far more of these types than the "McMansion" owners. Nobody held a gun to their heads and said "sign for the loan"

And of course the unions aren't at fault :sarcasm: Decades of politicians wanting nothing more than to be reelected so they capitulated and gave the government union dweebs whatever they wanted, that chicken has yet to roost but it's coming, soon, look at Illinois or California.

Yes, some banks and hucksters are to blame but the majority of the blame goes to the irresponsible, the twits that were brainlessly lured by liberal idealists who convinced them that they were owed.

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 16 2017,9:08 am
^^^^You have the right idea on credit debt but you're pointing the finger at the wrong culprit..
Maybe you don't remember because you're not old enough, but in the sixties/seventies you had to prove yourself before credit was extended. Credit cards weren't just handed out in mailed advertisements, home loans required a substantial down-payment. This was all part of New Deal legislation, restrictions on mortgage lending, These restrictions were put in place in the 1930s by political leaders who had just experienced a terrible financial crisis, and were trying to prevent another.

So what happened, Reagan and the era of deregulation, to quote Ronny "Government is the problem, not the solution"...
Deregulation has turn America into a credit based economy doomed to failure..

There’s plenty of blame to go around, But Reagan and his administration hold the most , they forgot the lessons of America’s last great financial crisis,( The Great Depression ) and condemned the rest of us to repeat it.  

Deregulation is the enemy of our society...

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,4:52 am
^^ don't look at me pal, every house I've ever bought I've put a least 20% down.

Reagan gave the people opportunity, the Nazis gave people who had no business owning a home free reign, Barney Frank ring a bell?

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,5:04 am
Trump accomplishments

since Trump took office:



Illegal immigration is down 78%

ICE arrests are up nearly 400%

Neil Gorsuch appointed to the Supreme Court maintaining a conservative majority

Dow hits 22,000 for 1st time

Stock market is up nearly "20%" since Trump won the election

Unemployment is down 4 straight months

Over 1 million jobs added to the economy in the last 6 months

Jobless claims are at their lowest level in 28 years

Food stamp use is down 4% (it rose 300% in Obama's Administration)

Toyota and Mazda are building a $1.6 billion dollar plant that will create 4000 jobs

Foxconn is building a $10 billion dollar plant that will create 13,000 jobs

$4 trillion added to market value since President Trump was elected

National debt went down ($108B) for the first time since before Clinton took office

Economic growth each month higher than any month under Obama

Consumer Confidence at a 16 year high

Pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accord (Thank God!)

Massive lift of Government regulations (largest reduction in US history)

Religious Freedoms Executive Bill signed

EPA mandate to lift regulations on coal and energy sectors

Have signed over 40 Republican bills into law

Dakota Access and Keystone Pipeline is back in operation

Stopped Federal funding to abortion groups

The UN funding has gone down dramatically

The bid process to build the wall has begun.

Deporting of criminal illegal aliens up over 400%

Sanctuary cities are being de-funded

A freeze on refugees coming from 6 terror nations

TPP is being dismantled completely

A freeze order on hiring federal employees

A freeze on ALL of Obama's regulations

Dodd-Frank is on the docket to be repealed

New trade agreements with Mexico, China, Canada and South Korea

7 top ISIS leaders killed

Took back Mosul

Cancelling of all of Obama’s illegal executive orders

Executive order to stop Obamacare penalties

The US has increased oil production by 500,000 barrels

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 18 2017,7:38 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 18 2017,4:52 am)
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Reagan gave the people opportunity, the Nazis gave people who had no business owning a home free reign, Barney Frank ring a bell?

Please explain how the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act signed into law July 21, 2010 had anything to do with the 2007 financial meltdown!

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...   >

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis >

Just when did this fiasco occur and who was in-charge, if you want to blame someone try W and the Republicans/Reaganomics/deregulation... idgit

< https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news...15.html >

Posted by was1 on Aug. 18 2017,7:52 am
SB - provide sources and documentation of your claims above of accomplishments.

Also, please explain how the market, unemployment, etc. has anything to do with Trump.  I posted facts with data to support on similar a few weeks back and you basically blew them off, now you want to use similar to say he is doing great.

most of what he has put into law has come from exertive orders.  you remember, those things he complained about when O did them?  Oh you point out that they were "illegal".  do tell how they are illegal yet trumps are not.  

Thought O took too many vacations.  T has way out done him and he promised us that he would not take vacations because he would be too busy.

you forgot a few other accomplishments:

- historic low approval rating
- non stop lies and trying to change history
- driving a wedge between people in this country like never before

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 18 2017,9:03 am
Don't wait too long for answers to your questions, was1. You know how this works...  :D
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,12:19 pm

(Expatriate @ Aug. 18 2017,7:38 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 18 2017,4:52 am)
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Reagan gave the people opportunity, the Nazis gave people who had no business owning a home free reign, Barney Frank ring a bell?

Please explain how the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act signed into law July 21, 2010 had anything to do with the 2007 financial meltdown!

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...   >

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis >

Just when did this fiasco occur and who was in-charge, if you want to blame someone try W and the Republicans/Reaganomics/deregulation... idgit

< https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news...15.html >

Maybe a history lesson is needed

< https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/249903/ >

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 18 2017,1:51 pm
^^^The Atlantic won't let me read your tripe because I block their trackers...but it's an article written by Peter Wallison, a Reagan era insider who's partly to blame for the financial fiasco, your far right sources hold little value in this discussion...


This comes from W's White House Idgit read it and weep..this guys cabinet was full of Enron boys...  
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President Hosts Conference on Minority Homeownership
October 15, 2002

Today's Presidential Action

President George W. Bush hosted the White House Conference on Minority Homeownership to discuss public and private sector efforts to address the homeownership gap and increase the number of minority homeowners in America.

In June, President Bush announced the national goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million by the end of this decade. Meeting the President's goal will not only help more Americans enjoy the benefits of owning their own homes it will also help strengthen America's economy. According to a study released today by the Department of Housing and Urban Development, meeting the President's goal will involve $256 billion in economic activity in the form of construction and remodeling jobs, spending on household goods, and other benefits.

Background on Today's Presidential Action

While the overall homeownership rate has reached an all-time high of nearly 68 percent, recent statistics point to a homeownership gap. The second quarter 2002 Census data show that non-Hispanic whites have a 74.3% homeownership rate, while African-Americans have a 48% rate, Hispanics a 47.6% rate; and Asian-Americans and other races a 53.7% homeownership rate.

In June, President Bush announced an aggressive homeownership agenda to dismantle barriers to homeownership by providing down payment assistance, increasing the supply of affordable homes, increasing support for self-help homeownership programs, and simplifying the homebuying process and increasing education. The President also issued "America's Homeownership Challenge" to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to join in his effort to increase the number of minority homeowners by taking concrete steps to tear down the barriers to homeownership that face minority families.

The Bush Administration is working to increase homeownership among minority Americans through a number of new and expanded initiatives, as well as through ongoing programs administered by HUD and other federal departments, including:

Providing Downpayment Assistance. The single biggest barrier to homeownership is accumulating funds for a downpayment. The President has proposed $200 million annually for the American Dream Downpayment Fund to help roughly 40,000 families a year with their downpayment and closing costs. In addition, the Administration has proposed the use of Section 8 funding to assist with downpayments, and provides downpayment assistance to low-income and minority homebuyers through the Community Development Financial Institutions (CDFI) Fund at the Department of Treasury.

Increasing the Supply of Affordable Homes. The President wants to dramatically increase the supply of homes available to low and moderate income families. The President has proposed the Single-Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit, which will provide approximately $2.4 billion to encourage the production of 200,000 affordable homes for sale to low and moderate income families.

Increasing Support for Self-Help Homeownership Programs. The President's budget triples funding for organizations like Habitat for Humanity that help families help themselves become homeowners through 'sweat equity' and volunteerism in their communities.

Simplifying the Home Buying Process & Increasing Education. Today's homebuyers face a confusing and complicated process. President Bush wants to empower homebuyers by making it easier for them to understand the process and benefit from cost savings. Through the Homebuyer Bill of Rights, the Bush Administration is proposing to make the settlement process easier for all consumers when purchasing a home, thereby protecting homebuyers through increased competition and simplicity. Working together, the Federal Trade Commission and HUD have begun targeting enforcement activities to stop predatory lenders from preying on uneducated homebuyers. The President also wants to expand financial education efforts so families can better understand what they need to do to become homeowners. The Departments of HUD, Treasury, and Education are working diligently to educate families about homeownership through counseling programs and financial literacy efforts. Specifically, HUD has proposed increasing housing counseling activities by 75% and is collaborating with the FDIC on a "MONEY SMART" program of financial education in minority neighborhoods.

Providing Better Financing Opportunities. The Departments of HUD and Agriculture make it possible for thousands upon thousands of families to achieve homeownership through the Federal and Rural Housing Administrations, which insure almost $100 billion in loans each year. The Administration also implemented a hybrid Adjustable Rate Mortgage (ARM) product that makes it easier for new homebuyers to stay in their homes in the first few years.

America's Homeownership Challenge

Since the President's call to action in June, private and nonprofit partners in the real estate and mortgage finance industries have been working with the Department of Housing and Urban Development to increase minority homeownership. Commitments made by these partners include:

Substantially increasing, by at least $440 billion, the financial commitment made by the government-sponsored enterprises involved in the secondary mortgage market specifically targeted toward the minority market.

Launching twenty-five different local initiatives across the nation, geared toward eliminating the specific homeownership barriers faced by minority families in those communities;

Raising $750 million in below-market-rate investments by 2007, which will work in collaboration with local homeownership initiatives and be targeted to heavily minority program areas;

Pursuing strategic partnerships in 20 top housing markets between homebuilders, lenders, local officials, and community leaders to develop approaches that address the local challenges to building homes for minority families living in urban centers;

Establishing faith-based housing partnerships between the participants and at least 100 churches, mosques, synagogues, and other faith-based institutions;

Aggressively developing new mortgage products so that conventional market alternatives are available to combat the predatory loan products that are disproportionately targeted to minorities;

Creating new mortgage products to meet the unique needs of recent immigrants;

Dramatically expanding financial education efforts for minorities, providing financial counseling to at least 380,000 minority families, and taking measures at the local level to reduce predatory lending; and

Establishing multilingual, consumer-oriented Internet Web sites designed to help minorities overcome barriers to homeownership, including creation of a central data bank of affordable housing programs made available to real estate agents when working with clients.

For more information on the President's initiatives, please visit

< www.whitehouse.gov >

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,2:26 pm
^^ as to your Nazi tripe sources.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 18 2017,2:51 pm
^^^ only you would label the White House Archives as a Nazi source and a opinion piece in the Atlantic from a Reagan Administration insider a viable source..idgit

Bannon is out— Brietbart will turn on Trump, he's already at a higher disapproval rating than Nixon when he went down—Trumps cornered, will Mueller take him down, will the Military take him out in a coup, or will Congress invoke the 25th Amendment ...my guess Trump doesn't last the year, maybe he'll seek asylum at the Russian Embassy...this lying birther is getting just what he deserves..draft dodging spoiled rich boy...

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2017,3:35 pm
^^^ the Russian bullsh!t again?:dunce:  :dunce:  :dunce:

My God you're stupid, lay off the poutine, those little gravy globulals are hampering your thought patterns. :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 19 2017,8:51 am
^^W. Bush wasn't the only President to push low income home-ownership, but his Administration oversaw the Subprime mess and continued their Laissez-faire attitude toward business...
When Bush finally came around it was too late the financial meltdown was upon US.. And once again this default was across the board it wasn't just poor people as you would have US assume...  

lesson of the Day: This is what deregulation and Laissez-faire Republican style government = corruption...

Back on Topic

To counter your list of Trumps accomplishments (which for the Most Part he had nothing to do with) I'll let CNN counter on the last four weeks...    



< View on YouTube >

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 20 2017,8:06 am
Yeah, right :sarcasm:
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 20 2017,8:19 am

(was1 @ Aug. 18 2017,7:52 am)
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SB - provide sources and documentation of your claims above of accomplishments.

Also, please explain how the market, unemployment, etc. has anything to do with Trump.  I posted facts with data to support on similar a few weeks back and you basically blew them off, now you want to use similar to say he is doing great.

most of what he has put into law has come from exertive orders.  you remember, those things he complained about when O did them?  Oh you point out that they were "illegal".  do tell how they are illegal yet trumps are not.  

Thought O took too many vacations.  T has way out done him and he promised us that he would not take vacations because he would be too busy.

you forgot a few other accomplishments:

- historic low approval rating
- non stop lies and trying to change history
- driving a wedge between people in this country like never before

All you have to do really is consider other media outlets other than MSNBC, CNN and the three broadcaste garbage sites.

As far as approval ratings?

< http://www.gallup.com/poll...le.aspx >

Put on top of that the Nazis are broke

< http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ing-low >

The comments in this link are very telling. :blush:

Posted by was1 on Aug. 21 2017,8:01 am
Again, SB shows that he is scared of facts and unable to back any of his claims.

My list was specific to Trump and you post a 3 month old article saying both parties are at lows on approval ratings.  

Who cares if the Dems are having issues raising $$.  I never brought any of that up and what does that have to do with Trump and your so called list of accomplishments?

You need to open your mind a little and think outside your narrow view point that you are fed by the likes of Hannity and the rest at FOX.  I enjoy listening to, watching and reading from all sources and then consider the actual facts, stats, and data to make my decisions and opinions.  Instead of blindly just going along with anything that T has done is the best ever, do a little research and objective thinking.

And, end the name calling.  You are really showing your class with the constant derogatory name for the party you do not like.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,10:03 am
^^ name calling? Equating the national socialist party and the party Expat follows is not name calling, merely the truth.

What difference does it make if the Nazis don't have any money? Ask yourself that in the middle of next falls mid terms. :blush:

Posted by was1 on Aug. 21 2017,11:58 am
I hope both parties self destruct and something better comes from it.

And, add this to your list of Trump accomplishments.  - Secret Service out of $ to protect Trump and his family - a good part due to his golf trips

< http://www.marketwatch.com/story...st_news >

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,12:35 pm
^^ yes and they followed Cha Cha and Malaria around to this day, parties etc. Buster played golf too, the exception being the President conducts business sometimes on his outings.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 21 2017,12:58 pm
^^Was1's link @ Market Watch failed and I'm unable to create a new link so I'll post the headline I believe he was referring for your comment.  

Trump’s clubs charge $60K to rent carts to Secret Service as agency runs out of money!

IMO this over-billing is outrageous, and President Trump told US he'd be too busy to leave the White House if he was elected President, he criticized Pres. Obama for his few golf outings... Trump spends way too much time vacationing at his overpriced resorts..

By the way, I'm not a member of any organized political party, but as I see it the Democrats are the only party that's did anything to better the condition of the working class...and by so strengthened our Nation!

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,2:21 pm
^^ few rounds of golf? Buster played 333 rounds during the time he pretended to be president, at least once a week or more on average

< http://www.golfchannel.com/news...f-potus >


You're not affiliated with any political party? :rofl:

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 21 2017,2:51 pm
I used to like those Democratic Farmer-Labor types. What happened to them?

Oh yeah. They became "progressives," whatever the flock that means.

Posted by was1 on Aug. 21 2017,2:57 pm
sorry about the link.  Don't know why it did not work but that is the correct story.

I had to do some looking but did find that the 333 rounds for O is correct.

However, as of Aug 1, at similar time in office, O had 11 T has played 21.  So, if the $60k in carts is accurate and also through Aug 1, that is $2,857/ round.  I'm not a golfer, but that seems high.  Even at $50/round/cart that's about 57 carts per round.

Bigger issue to me is you add this cost on top of what he is charging the secret service for the office space in trump tower.  At the reported $130,000 per month, it was one of the costliest rental properties in Manhattan.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,5:01 pm
So where's the link for the 60k golf carts?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 21 2017,5:02 pm

(Botto 82 @ Aug. 21 2017,2:51 pm)
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I used to like those Democratic Farmer-Labor types. What happened to them?

Oh yeah. They became "progressives," whatever the flock that means.

I think there's just not that much difference anymore.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 22 2017,6:49 am
What a deuce, this guy is a real treasure...
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2017,7:55 am
^^ you stare at the sun every day.
Posted by was1 on Aug. 22 2017,7:55 am
not the same article but similar info in this link

< http://mashable.com/2017...sZX6aq6 >

do a search on Trump golf cart costs and there are tons of articles.

Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2017,9:23 am
^^ is is expensive to protect the President, no doubt about that. But considering the hate the left handed press has for him it's not surprising they attack him mercilessly.

He's must likely in need of more protection considering the nutjob s and even elected officials that have called for his assassination

.https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article167954397.html

Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 22 2017,10:44 am

(Self-Banished @ Aug. 22 2017,9:23 am)
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He's must likely in need of more protection considering the nutjob s and even elected officials that have called for his assassination

You don't honestly believe that this is something new, do you? The alt-White bunch was calling for 44's head on a regular basis. Is that somehow different? Please explain your casual approach.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 22 2017,11:26 am
^^ simple, we hardly ever heard of the mighty whities call to assassinate Buster but we're hearing, almost on a weekly basis for our presidents head.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 26 2017,12:55 pm

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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 02 2017,6:04 am
^^ letting? Bustercare is in place, what's wrong? The Nazis said it would work. :dunce:
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 02 2017,6:26 am
Children’s Health Insurance (CHIP) program was created in 1997 has nothing to do with ACA.

Minnesota's taxpayer will be responsible for the shortfall in revenue when Trump and the Republicans cause a federal shutdown.

< https://www.healthcare.gov/medicai...program >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 02 2017,6:44 am
Ah yes, a shutdown, noble if the Nazi party stages it, heresy if any opposition causes it and the lame stream press is the enabling participant.
Posted by was1 on Oct. 02 2017,12:37 pm
Any government shutdown is a total embarrassment and a slap in the face to every taxpayer.  The cost that is incurred due to the shutdowns is insane.  If a shutdown happens, they should be the ones that do not get paid for the length of the shut down.  Also, their health care should be canceled with any shut down is happening.  Speaking of their health care, they should be on whatever plan that is the average of every US citizen, not their nice cushy plan that never gets touched.      

Until some true leaders step up in each party, nothing will happen with health care.  The R's have spent 8 years being the party of "no" and do nothing, and now they cant get out of that rut.  And now the D's what to do the same.  Idiots.  All of them.

Also, sadly, no one in either party realizes that they need to work together to get things done.  I swear a D could come up with a cure for cancer and every R would vote against it.  And a R could come up with a solution to cheap, clean energy and every D would vote against it.

Just about every one of them needs to be voted out of office.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 02 2017,2:17 pm
^ yes, all gov workers should have to buy HI like any of us that actually pay for our health care. This we agree on.

A true leader that steps up? Yes, we elected him almost a year ago and there are more to come. Senator Amy large breast is next to go.

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 23 2017,6:55 am
McCain outs the Draft Dodger in Chief, it's amazing how these Chicken-hawks become warriors as long as some other poor kid does the fighting and dying!


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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 23 2017,8:07 am
^^^ yes yes yes :sarcasm: yet Nazis love ol' Billy Boy, what branch of the armed forces did he serve? :blush:
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 23 2017,8:14 am
Clinton had a legitimate deferment, like McCain says Trump bought his way out of Service to his Country, he's a Draft Dodger.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 23 2017,8:18 am

(Expatriate @ Oct. 23 2017,8:14 am)
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Clinton had a legitimate deferment,

Now I have to go home and change :rofl:  :rofl:

I doubt Billy knows the meaning of the word "legitimate " :rofl:  :rofl:

Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 23 2017,1:15 pm
I just get a kick out of the title of this thread. The way this clown is running his administration there's a new low point damn near everyday.  '
They guy is a complete and total tool and is an embarrassment as a leader.

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 23 2017,2:27 pm

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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 24 2017,3:55 pm
^^ a dumb ass interview with Stern 20 years ago? Never in your life did you have a moment that could be misunderstood? Taken off track?

Let's take a look at a real dumbass moment from a first class dumbass crook that in the near future might be going to prison :rofl:

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 25 2017,7:16 am
...
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2017,7:49 am
Let's see, 5.3 trillion in value added to stock market, 1.5 less people on food stamps, economic growth up to 3% instead of the sickly -2% for the last eight years and looking at 4-5% next year.

Yup, things are terrible :rofl:  :sarcasm:

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 25 2017,8:18 am
It's called a bubble, bubbles pop, the markets driven by speculation on what might occur, also increasing the money supply and keeping interest rates low during the past decade, the Fed instigated the rapid expansion that preceded the coming collapse in an effort to save US from the Bush economy, so far Trump seems destine to repeat the failed trickle down policy of the past.

When you add to that Trump and his Administration (wall street oligarchs) continue to erode protections installed for the investor.
Trumps protectionist tariffs will also play a part in this collapse.

Trump is still cruising on Obama's last budget and the Boomers retiring in mass, this will be Trump's first budget Congress passed, things look bleak, next year or the year after will be a repeat of 1929...If trump doesn't blunder US into WW3 first..game over lights out...

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2017,8:29 am
The sources I listen to (and they're fairly accurate) are predicting a 26-27k Dow next year. :D As to real life experience, my numbers have been up all year, nice fat bank account  :D

There are always corrections and we're due but recovery will be quick as investors will pile into a corrected market for bargains.

And if a decent tax reform bill gets through...:cool:

Posted by was1 on Oct. 25 2017,1:07 pm
Presidency to date, Trump still does not beat O in the Dow's performance at same time in his presidency.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2017,1:28 pm
^^ over the next 7 years? Buster will be nothing but dim memory.

There's also this

< http://checkyourfact.com/2017...r-obama >

Posted by was1 on Oct. 25 2017,2:19 pm
to date.  are you assuming that this will continue for the next 7 yrs?

Also, what is your point in your link?  seems to be saying how good the markets did under O

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 25 2017,2:23 pm
In the dead of night, Republicans vote to give lawsuit immunity to banks
Draining that swamp.


< https://thinkprogress.org/in-the-...ref=yfp >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2017,2:56 pm

(was1 @ Oct. 25 2017,2:19 pm)
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to date.  are you assuming that this will continue for the next 7 yrs?

Also, what is your point in your link?  seems to be saying how good the markets did under O

To unseat a sitting president in a booming economy? Chances of that are slim and none.

Read a little closer, 48 record closings and optimism abounds since Inauguration Day.

Posted by was1 on Oct. 25 2017,3:55 pm
and in the same time period under O, markets out performed what they have thus far under trump.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 25 2017,9:16 pm
^^ yeah, with less than 2% growth, record numbers on welfare and no optimism whatsoever. The market was at the very bottom, it had nowhere to go but up.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 26 2017,6:26 am
Fresh from the Bureau of Labor Statistics Data, bad news for Trump's AmeriKKKa jobs are actually running in the negative, a view of the enclosed chart shows the last time this happened Bush was President,
or Obama was wrestling US out of the Bush Great Recession,  What's that say about the Republicans and the economy?    

The chart shows hours and earnings, when earnings drop spending drops the economy suffers, this starts a downward cycle...
Trump will tweet you into prosperity... Remember he's the bankruptcy KING...

< https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 26 2017,7:28 am
^^ with two major hurricanes. :blush:
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 26 2017,8:10 am
Actually natural disasters have a positive effect on the economy just the opposite of what you suggest,  rebuilding activity generates both increased sales tax receipts and additional employment.

obviously you havn't priced any lumber lately...

Posted by was1 on Oct. 26 2017,8:20 am
and the report out this morning said there was no hurricane affect anymore
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 26 2017,12:49 pm
Source??
Posted by was1 on Oct. 26 2017,2:08 pm
oops.  sorry about that.  we all know how good you are as sourcing everything you put here.  Not the same place I saw it this morning but same info.

< http://www.reuters.com/article...N1CV1X9 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 26 2017,7:25 pm
^^ some good points in that article

The amount of Americans filing unemployment increased less than expected

Retail inventories fell, the trade deficit increased meaning more imports (yeah, I've noticed, ' been busy as hell)

Over 138 weeks claimes stayed below the 300000 mark which means a strong labor market

And the labor market is tightening.

Posted by was1 on Oct. 27 2017,12:41 pm
anytime filers goes down is good, as long as it means they found work and did not just drop onto wellform roles.

increasing trade deficit is not a good thing

and roughly 100 of those weeks of claims under 300000 were under O

labor market will have to continue to tighten as boomer retire

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 28 2017,6:38 am
First Charges In Mueller Investigation!

< http://www.cnn.com/2017...ex.html >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 28 2017,6:58 am

(Expatriate @ Oct. 28 2017,6:38 am)
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First Charges In Mueller Investigation!

< http://www.cnn.com/2017...ex.html >

Yes, how convenient, a Friday news release with no subject named so all the Sunday hand wringers have something to grouse about. Please :dunce:


Actually it's Mueller that needs to be investigated

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 29 2017,10:17 am

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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 29 2017,3:26 pm
^^ need some Kleenex  :rofl:
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 30 2017,6:09 am
^^tRUMP and the Cons are feeling the pressure, tRUMP himself went on a tweet storm. Roger Stone one of tRUMP's henchmen was banned from twitter for life for his unsubstantiated vulgar attack posts.

this fruitcake Roger Stone reminds me of a villain on the old batman tv show

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2017,10:31 am
Ah yes, the indictment, what a croc of sh!t, what a smoke screen to take some of the oxygen away from the further investigation of the Nazis and strokelady, even her hubby.

< http://izquotes.com/quote/390624 >

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 30 2017,11:48 am
It's over SB, Mueller has one that flipped there's little doubt about collusion now or in Trump's case obstruction of justice and collusion.

George Papadopoulos signed a cooperation agreement with Special Counsel Robert Mueller, secretly pleading guilty three weeks ago to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Kremlin-connected Russians.

< https://www.nbcnews.com/news...n815596 >

LOCK HIM UP-LOCK HIM UP-LOCK HIM UP!!!
you can yell look over there all you want!

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2017,12:26 pm
^^ oh please :rofl:
Posted by was1 on Oct. 30 2017,12:30 pm
It is all far from over IMO. This is just the beginning. And, hopefully, if things do lead down a path that D's had illegal activities as well, they too will be indicted.
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 30 2017,1:13 pm
^^ oh yes, far from over, they Nazis are going to be hung.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 30 2017,1:16 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 30 2017,1:13 pm)
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^^ oh yes, far from over, they Nazis are going to be hung.

...
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2017,4:25 am
A slight spelling change and this is probably the lineage

< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Müller_(Gestapo) >

This is nothing more than a kangaroo court, impartiality be damned. Mueller and his cronies are the ones needing investigation.

This is the real investigation

< http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41742184 >

...and the REAL low point

< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIApwsOnP2Y&feature=share >

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 31 2017,6:17 am
You Republicans Stooges have been trying to convict Clinton for forty years, she's been investigated by the FBI and more Congressional committees than you can count all at the bequest of Republican partisanship and they've found no wrong doing! (a total waste of tax dollars playing politics)

There's a lot of ties between Trump and Russia, particularly the Russian mafia/oligarchs, let the investigation proceed, we need more transparency on the Trump organization.

He's being investigated by a Republican appointted by a Republican who was appointed by the Trump  administration.
Trump fired Comey (FBI) and was dumb enough to state he was fired for investigating the Trump/Russia ties, that in-itself = Obstruction of Justice under the Constitution an impeachable crime.

Looking at Trump's tweets lately he seems hysterical, there's a panic in his tweets that magnifies the need to remove this unstable individual from the Presidency...       



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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2017,6:59 am
^^ your pipe dream of stopping this Trump train are pathetic, your proof of collusion? The prosecution of stroke lady will continue and WHEN found guilty deserves the traditional punishment for treason.
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 31 2017,10:07 am
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your pipe dream of stopping this Trump train are pathetic

Train wreck would be the proper terminology...

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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2017,11:40 am
^^ maybe you should wait and see what happens instead of that premature thing you do that the long haulers complain about.
Posted by was1 on Oct. 31 2017,12:43 pm
Both sides need to just wait and see what else comes out. You have both sides jumping to the extreme.  

I will be beyond shocked if what happened yesterday is all that happens.

I will also be surprised if more isn't looked into on the other side and what all may have been happening there.  

I do know that the insult throwing and such does nothing but prove peoples closed mindedness

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 31 2017,1:00 pm

(was1 @ Oct. 31 2017,12:43 pm)
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I do know that the insult throwing and such does nothing but prove peoples closed mindedness

The hall monitor strikes again
Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 31 2017,1:33 pm

(was1 @ Oct. 31 2017,12:43 pm)
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Both sides need to just wait and see what else comes out. You have both sides jumping to the extreme.  

I will be beyond shocked if what happened yesterday is all that happens.

I will also be surprised if more isn't looked into on the other side and what all may have been happening there.  

I do know that the insult throwing and such does nothing but prove peoples closed mindedness

absolutely, it's only the first of many to be charged.
things look bleak for the for the Trump Organization.
<
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 01 2017,4:46 am This is the true Russian collusion

< http://www.foxnews.com/us...er.html >

Posted by was1 on Nov. 01 2017,7:44 am
bad link

and now even Fox reports are coming out and saying how embarrassed they are to work for the "news extension of Trump"

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 01 2017,8:48 am
^^ well, FOX is a more balanced team of reporting.

Sorry about the bad link, have you a link for the "embarrassment " story?

Posted by was1 on Nov. 01 2017,10:40 am
you wont believe them as CNN is included and reported on it

< https://www.google.com/search?...e=UTF-8 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 01 2017,11:50 am
^^ you're right, CNN.

No names?? How convenient :sarcasm:

What a fooking joke. :oops:

Posted by was1 on Nov. 01 2017,4:03 pm
like most things, there are no names.  No different than 90% of the reporting that happens.  

and yes, 90% of your posts are fooking jokes.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2017,4:18 am

(was1 @ Nov. 01 2017,4:03 pm)
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and yes, 90% of your posts are fooking jokes.

So you do want to play
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 02 2017,6:33 am
...< http://www.motherjones.com/politic...# >

Looks like Mueller is going to "Drain the Swamp"...

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2017,7:32 am
^^ yes, and aliens killed Kennedy with a death ray

You're kidding me right? Motherjones? :dunce:

Posted by was1 on Nov. 02 2017,8:06 am
There is going to be more coming from this.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is unwise.

Hopefully it does spill over to the D's as well and more answers come from what they too may have been doing.

need to get the underhanded and illegal actions out of our government.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2017,8:51 am
^^ ummm, we did partially, she didn't get elected.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 02 2017,9:00 am
Republican's have the lead in scandals during my lifetime, but it doesn't take much imagination to see Trump bypassing Nixon or Reagan as the must corrupt Administration in America's history.  

< https://www.dailykos.com/stories...ointees >

< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki..._States >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 02 2017,9:38 am
^^ oh yeah, the Nazis are as pure as the wind driven snow :sarcasm:

< https://www.google.com/amp...amp.htm >

And this hits just keep on a coming :oops:

< https://www.google.com/amp...infoguy >

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 03 2017,6:52 am
^^Your first link is redirect to FAUX–with no specific subject...
Your second link is sexual, anyone supporting the pee pervert Donald shouldn't be throwing stones.  Weinstein=Trump, totally interchangeable personalities...  
My post referred to actual crimes of Administrations not accusation of individual wrong doing, but if that's what you want I'm sure Trump could win in that category too...

Ex-Putin adviser: Putin 'believed' he elected Trump 

< http://thehill.com/blogs...d-trump >


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Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 03 2017,7:36 am
Let's be clear - The DNC rigged the primary. Sanders would have steamrolled Trump in the general election. It's time for the Dems to start owning that.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 03 2017,7:44 am
^^Well that's kind of a blanket statement on the DNC,  Bernie Sanders decisively won Minnesota's Democratic caucuse..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2017,7:47 am
^^ from dubious sources :blush:

Weinstein is a Nazi contributor, quite large in fact, so is Kevin Spacey

< http://truepundit.com/dnc-ref...e-bills >

Weinstein, Spacey, Donna Brazil, cheese&racketeer almighty! What a bunch of sleezes the Nazis are! Weinstein is being investigated for rape, Spacey tried to rub one out on a 14 year old boy and now Brazil has spilled the beans on stroke lady's manipulation on the Nazi primary process for her own gain with possible criminal money laundering. This reads like a cheap spy novel but it actually has merit.

And still nothing more than some locker room talk on our president, no proof of Russian collusion.

:rofl:

:rofl:
:rofl:

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 03 2017,8:13 am
^^^
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 03 2017,8:29 am

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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2017,8:41 am
^^ oh! Funny as hell :rofl:

Chicken Noodle News :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2017,8:43 am
It just gets funnier all the time :rofl:

What a bunch of fooking morons  :dunce:  
< https://www.politico.com/magazin...-215774 >


Stroke lady, in her arrogance, or fear of being prosecuted for other crimes screwed over the Nazi parrty :oops:  :rofl:

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 04 2017,8:41 am
^^^Once again unable to defend Trump you post some Hillaryous bull, look over there look over there!

It's hard to defend someone who was dumb enough to implicate himself for Obstruction of Justice in a live interview with Lester Holt.

The Russia investigation which you've parroted as untrue has surfaced as the truth, there's collusion but there's also a blatant Obstruction of justice, it's the coverup stupid, that's what took Nixon out.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2017,4:48 am
^^ ...and once again no proof has been presented😆
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 05 2017,6:13 am
It's the coverup stupid, Trump has paralleled Nixon history is repeating itself!


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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2017,6:20 am
^^stop it stop it stop it :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

You're just killing me :rofl:

I here Wally World is having a sale on Reynolds wrap :rofl:

:rofl:  :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2017,7:07 am
Looks pretty good :thumbsup:
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 05 2017,10:08 am
^^the draft dodging puke, he should be wearing his medal–
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 05 2017,12:18 pm
^^^ yes yes yes, we also have Bill(congressional liar)Clinton, Bernie(Batsh!t crazy) Sanders, Joe(no less than 5 educational deferments) Biden in the same boat as our President and I'm sure if I dig more I can find more.

What's your point dipsh!t?

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 05 2017,2:12 pm
NEXT



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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2017,6:52 am
^^ yeah, what's your point?
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 06 2017,6:59 am
^^Your boy Donald might as well seek political asylum in "Jhina"..
His whole swamp crew is going down and the RepubliCON Party is in a panic.


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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2017,7:27 am
^^ Jeezus, another MSNothing But Chickensh!t clip
You need help.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 06 2017,7:57 am
^^So you played your Trump card...You're the typical Trump voter to too dumb to defend the Con so you attack the source..

Republicans Seek Special Counsel's Removal From Russia Probe

< https://www.usnews.com/news...a-probe >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2017,1:47 pm
...and you should learn how to spell.

As he should resign, are you not paying attention?  Are you that daft?

The Nazis little party is soon to crash around their little ears!

Posted by was1 on Nov. 06 2017,1:58 pm
wow.  That's telling him.  

definitely cant believe anything someone posts here if they accidentally type to instead of too.

Dang - no wonder so few post here.  Who could possibly match wits with you.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 06 2017,2:11 pm
:dunce:
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2017,3:47 pm

(was1 @ Nov. 06 2017,1:58 pm)
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wow.  That's telling him.  

definitely cant believe anything someone posts here if they accidentally type to instead of too.

Dang - no wonder so few post here.  Who could possibly match wits with you.

Here, try this,

Piss off Hall Monitor.

You should be appreciative of our president, being so attentive towards your problem with opiates.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 06 2017,4:08 pm
Lay off the vodka comrade—you're not funny or smart just stupid drunk!


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Posted by was1 on Nov. 06 2017,4:17 pm
are you saying I have a drug problem?

Have you ever on this forum had an intelligent discussion with anyone on here?  

Anytime anyone goes against your view, especially when they provide facts that counter you, you resort to insults and name calling.  

What a sad, sad life you must have.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 06 2017,4:30 pm
^^ I like it :D

I'm about the only conservative on this site, years ago I expressed an opinion and was ostrisized ever since. Do I give a sh!t? Not really, for the most part this is nothing more than a distraction when I'm bored.

As far as your drug problem goes? Never quit, there are better days ahead but if you continue on like this you're going to end up like Elvis, dead on the toilet with a turd hanging out of your butt. :(

Remember, I'm here for you. :thumbsup:

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 07 2017,6:17 am
...
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 07 2017,6:36 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 06 2017,1:47 pm)
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As he should resign, are you not paying attention?  Are you that daft?

Someone will resign alright, Trump is dealing with a real man.
The tubby boy will bid US adios sooner or later, he's good at dodging!

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 07 2017,7:56 am
^^ you being an expert with "real men"  :rofl:  how is that rest area gig going :blush:

Tubby? The guy is 70+ he golfs and has far more energy then you had in your teens dodging polar bears in the great white north.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 08 2017,2:35 pm
the clock is ticking on this joker, lock him up down in Maricopa County tent jail...see how long tubby lasts. I'd be willing to pay to watch that show...


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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2017,3:04 pm
^^ you want to watch guys in prison? You've been working the pickle park too long.
Posted by was1 on Nov. 08 2017,3:33 pm
and yet again, another great, thought provoking, fact filled rebuttal.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 08 2017,6:03 pm

(was1 @ Nov. 08 2017,3:33 pm)
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and yet again, another great, thought provoking, fact filled rebuttal.

And yet again, F.O hall monitor :thumbsup:

There is that "ignore" button :rockon:

But then I wouldn't know if you needed me.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 10 2017,7:34 am
Trump finally gets to Vietnam fifty years too late to Serve his Country!
Vietnam Officials To Minimize Walking During Trump’s Visit Due To Bone Spurs.

Posted by was1 on Nov. 10 2017,8:18 am
What I would like to know is what do all the Trump supporters think if his constant flip flopping?  How do you have one of your big running points be how China is "raping" the US and then completely kiss their butt when you go to talk with them?  

Also, how do you go to Japan and tell them to starting making their cars in the US when they ALREADY DO?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 10 2017,9:06 am
^^ examples as to these flip flops?
Posted by was1 on Nov. 10 2017,9:32 am
reading comprehension lacking today?  

"How do you have one of your big running points be how China is "raping" the US and then kiss their butt when you go to talk with them?"

All we heard from him was China, China, China.  They were "raping" us.  monetary policy rigging.  steel dumping.  unfair trade. etc. etc.  Now, it was our own fault.  China is very smart?  

The guy is a bumbling fool.  He is smart in how he figured out what to say to get fools even bigger than him to go along with his nonsense.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 10 2017,9:49 am
No, Trump was talking about Jhina not China—sorry I counldn't help myself.
this guy has flip flopped on every issue, but Trump's followers are faithfully blind to this flip flopping failure of a president...

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 10 2017,10:53 am

(was1 @ Nov. 10 2017,9:32 am)
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reading comprehension lacking today?  

"How do you have one of your big running points be how China is "raping" the US and then kiss their butt when you go to talk with them?"

All we heard from him was China, China, China.  They were "raping" us.  monetary policy rigging.  steel dumping.  unfair trade. etc. etc.  Now, it was our own fault.  China is very smart?  

The guy is a bumbling fool.  He is smart in how he figured out what to say to get fools even bigger than him to go along with his nonsense.

Yes, china is raping us, they've been devaluing their currency for decades and yesterday our president said he did'nt blame them for doing something to benefit their citizens. I've carved out a very nice living taking advantage of this situation, I've done what I could to benefit my family. Now it's time for America to take advantage, lower corporate taxes, repatriate money from overseas.

So how's that opiate monkey on your back? Seen anyone for counceling?

Posted by was1 on Nov. 10 2017,11:08 am
so you admit he flip flopped.  At least that is a start for you.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 10 2017,12:01 pm
^^ admitting you have no control in your life is the first step.

Remember, I care :D

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 10 2017,1:00 pm
Flip flop?

You mean like this?

< https://www.google.com/amp...amp >

Heaven forbid  :rofl:

Posted by was1 on Nov. 10 2017,1:29 pm
way to change the subject when you have nothing productive to add, or any way to defend.  

Who at all was talking about her or even care?  If she was the president then fine, she's not, so don't care.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 10 2017,1:52 pm
^^ no but you'll soon care.

I just listened to our president speaking about making equitable trade between ourselves and China

It didn't sound like a flip flop to me. :blush:


< https://finance.yahoo.com/video...46.html >

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 11 2017,5:40 am
^^So is Trump going to manufacture his clothing line in the USA?

It's been a year, by now you'd think you'd catch on, Trump speak has no substance, what Trump says holds no relevance to reality...

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 11 2017,6:37 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 10 2017,10:53 am)
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Now it's time for America to take advantage, lower corporate taxes, repatriate money from overseas.

Where's the deficit hawk that whined about debt but now that the Republicans are blowing a 1.5 trillion dollar hole in revenues everything will be fine...idgit

Posted by was1 on Nov. 11 2017,9:45 am
Expat - SB does not understand fact, logic, not common sense.

In his, and other hard core Rs, minds if Ds raise debt for any reason it is bad.  If Rs do it's great because it will make them more $$$.

Things have become so partisan it does not matter what one side does the other will fight it.  Those of us that are still in the middle will continue to be frustrated an sickened by both sides.  Both are now run by the extremes.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 11 2017,10:37 am
Was1—We've had other Reich Wingers over the years but each and everyone of them when challenged with facts on their posts became embarrassed and headed for the hills.

the only word to describe SB is Factophobe:  

Factophobe
A person that rejects verifiable facts when they conflict with his/her opinions, preconceived notions, or general world view.
Also: factophobic - adj.
He won't ever change his view; he's such a factophobe that you can show him a notarized copy of his OWN birth certificate and he wouldn't believe it.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 12 2017,7:54 am
^^ Ah, the lothario of the men's room pickle park speaks and before fuzzy wussy goes into butthurt mode, let me say, FO. The US corporate tax is one of the highest tax rates in the world, third I believe. I wonder how many Asian products are in each of your Rollohomes.

Now, raising the debt for several reasons is ok, raising it ten trillion is lunacy but this seemed to be Busters objective, to cripple us monetarily. Maybe you two like it because it would put on the path to be like Greece ( not that there's anything wrong with what you to recently smitten love birds do in private ??? )

Part of our problem is our gov size, greed and structure, many programs need to be trimmed or canceled, this is why we need more representatives and senators like Alabama's Moore, wrecking machines to cut bullsh!t programs and cut spending. Before you start ripping on him, 30 plus years in public office, numerous elections and these women just come up now? Com'on, nobody's that stupid to believe that. (Maybe a couple of Nazi posters here) Plus, who ever dreamt this crap up could be from either side of the aisle.

Here's a prime example or gov out of control

< https://youtu.be/1x8QiTuCF5E >

I'll be back on in the AM, gotta go to the range and put a new auto loader thru it's paces (American made, go figure)

Posted by was1 on Nov. 12 2017,4:25 pm
Well, you kind of tried. But yet again is of you post is nothing but insults and name calling. You are much better when you try and put out thoughtful opinions and facts. Sadly that is rare.

Struggling again with facts. It was 9 trillion, which is still bad but he was given a mess.

And yet again, if it's someone you like any actuations are false. But if it some you don't like then by all means 30 years ago or not it's true. If it comes out that this is true about Moore will you condem him?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 12 2017,4:28 pm
^^ wow, nothing to say except, "what a arrogant a$$". You said Buster was given a mess? We went into a cyclical recession, nothing more. Buster decided he wanted to be like FDR

< http://newsroom.ucla.edu/release...on-5409 >

And even then it wasn't a crippling recession, just miss managed.

Of course you're right, in that tiny little oxy codone fog of yours.

Posted by was1 on Nov. 12 2017,5:54 pm
You really have a way of warping things.

It is sad how you can't ever do a post sans throwing insults.  

I dont understand why you an others like you who are far superior in inteligence and understanding of how all things work don't put your money where your mouth is, run for office and show us all how things should be done.

Posted by was1 on Nov. 12 2017,5:59 pm
And, from reading your link, please fill me in on how those policies have anything in similarity to what happened under Obama.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 12 2017,8:01 pm
Running for office?

1 I like the person I see in the mirror every day

2 I like my privacy

3  Except for family and close friends I'm just not a people person

But feel free to explore those options yourself, maybe you could be the next Anthony Wiener.

Posted by was1 on Nov. 12 2017,9:29 pm
Well, have to give you some credit for that post. 80% was decent. Waited all the way until the end for your attempted insult.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 13 2017,4:44 am

(was1 @ Nov. 12 2017,9:29 pm)
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Well, have to give you some credit for that post. 80% was decent. Waited all the way until the end for your attempted insult.

Oh look, a "B" from the hall monitor, how special :sarcasm:
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 13 2017,7:04 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 12 2017,7:54 am)
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The US corporate tax is one of the highest tax rates in the world, third I believe. I wonder how many Asian products are in each of your Rollohomes.

I assume by this statement you are linking imports to the corporate tax rate.

U.S. corporations pay an average effective tax rate of 12.6% under the current tax law according to the GAO. ( United States Government Accountability Office )  The federal corporate tax rate stands at 35%, and jumps to 39.2% when state rates are taken into account. But thanks to things like tax credits, exemptions etc. the actual tax burden of American companies is much lower in fact one of the lowest in the world..

< http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/654957.pdf >

The Republican tax plan reduces corporate tax rate by 42% most if not all of the tax credits, exemptions remain in place.
If we zeroed the corporate tax rate it would have no effect on imports but a divesting affect on our revenues.

Cheap labor and high profits drive imports! Reducing the corporate tax rates will NOT create jobs or reduce imports...

What we have learned from the Republican tax plan is who they represent and it's NOT US...

Where have all the deficit hawks gone, south for the winter?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 13 2017,8:09 am
The tax plan as it is now doubles the personal deduction so that the dead beats that pay no income taxes now get an even bigger return, voters of no consequence. The Nazis and the rinos are bastardizing the process.

Cheap labor? The unions drove out the companies starting in the 70's, we're reaping what we have sowed. We are nothing more than a service economy and it becomes more dangerous all the time. Corporate tax cuts, repatriation of overseas money is what we need. Of course the Nazis and a few sour grape republtRds are going to do their best to throw a monkey wrench into the machine, they care not for the real tax payers, the middle class and they want nothing to do with helping the country if it makes our president look good.

Posted by was1 on Nov. 13 2017,11:21 am
Everything that I have seen that has come from a "non partial" review agency has said: 1) will not help the middle class, 2) lowest earners will be a wash, no real change 3) those in the $50k - $100k will actually see an increase in their taxes and those over $100 will see a decrease.  The further over $100k you are the bigger the decrease.

I do have to agree that unions have some weight to bear in the deterioration of manufacturing jobs here.  I know plenty of places that are union that are paying people way more than similar jobs that are nonunion pay.  Good for those employed through a union, bad for the overall though IMO.  Also, I believe unions have over stayed their use.  Started for safety and child labor issues, now, what I see, all they do is protect and reward the poor performers while hurting the good performers.

SB - you never said how FDR and Obama related.  

All we heard out of the right under O was "all defects are bad".  Now, that it will better line their pockets its "these defects are outstanding".

Posted by Glad I Left on Nov. 13 2017,12:50 pm
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and those over $100 will see a decrease.  The further over $100k you are the bigger the decrease.


If I am being selfish.... At least there's one good thing to come out of this disaster of a president...

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 13 2017,12:58 pm
^^Whatever you get has to be balanced out against your ever increasing portion of the national debt...a tax cut devised on a credit card isn't really a tax cut, you're just borrowing something that has to be repaid!
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 13 2017,1:17 pm
^^ really? Here's just one
FDR social security

Buster affordable (Ha!) care act

Have you noticed the unemployed rate, 7.9? It's going to get even better.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 13 2017,1:19 pm

(Expatriate @ Nov. 13 2017,12:58 pm)
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^^Whatever you get has to be balanced out against your ever increasing portion of the national debt...a tax cut devised on a credit card isn't really a tax cut, you're just borrowing something that has to be repaid!

Yes, and Buster was like my ex wife with a Capitol One :rofl:
Posted by was1 on Nov. 13 2017,1:40 pm
I don't recall SS being mentioned at all in your article.  Try to stay on point SB.  You are all over the place.  You just throw stuff out and home some part of it is right, or that others just take the garbage you toss out as truth.  

Also under O
Homicides down 13%
9,265,000 more jobs
job openings up 97%
unemployment was at 5%, 2.8% lower than when he took office - the historical median is 5.6%
yes - labor participation rate ended about 3% lower than when he took office, however much of that includes boomers retiring
corporate profits up 166%
S&P 500 up 139%
Dow up 106%
NASDAQ up 222%
US crude oil production up 87%
petroleum imports down 62%
Federal spending up 11%

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 13 2017,3:01 pm
^^ wow, where do I begin?
Chicago homocides went through the roof during Busters reign

Job creation bearly kept track with population growth

The real unemployment number was more like 10+ (U6) this labor participation sucked worse than in the seventies under peanut boy.

The markets? They were at the very bottom of a correction, there was no place to go but up and they probably would have been higher if Buster would have kept his dope smoking fingers out of it.

Crude production was way up DESPITE Busters constant interfering and asinine programs like solar power, remember Solyndra??

Sorry I'be been neglectful today, busy as hell with lots of containers in town. :D

Posted by Glad I Left on Nov. 13 2017,3:33 pm

(Expatriate @ Nov. 13 2017,12:58 pm)
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^^Whatever you get has to be balanced out against your ever increasing portion of the national debt...a tax cut devised on a credit card isn't really a tax cut, you're just borrowing something that has to be repaid!

Although it didn't come out too well in my post I was being facetious.
Tax code reform (like health care) has been long overdue, but like the ACA, I'm afraid what's going to come out of this is another clusterfk, that will decades to correct.

Posted by was1 on Nov. 13 2017,4:00 pm
SB - post some actual facts and keep the snide commentary to yourself.  Don't see anyone else on here that does that every post.

And U6 went from 14.2 down to 9.2 under O.  Bush 2 it went from 7.3 to 13.6.

Murder rates up in Chicago but over all for the entire country down.  

2013, 2014, and 2015 job growth was higher than population growth.  I could not find 2016 data .  This is a rare occurrence; it happens only during periods of exceptional job growth, such as the late 1960s, mid-1970s and mid-1980s, when the ranks of the employed were swelled by the baby-boom generation and by the entry of millions of women into the workforce. It’s happened only five times since 1990.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2017,4:42 am
^^ was1 keep your snobby-3rd grade teacher crap to yourself.

Within the bounds of the unwritten rules here I'll post as I want.

I listen to the financials every days, several sources. What I posted I know to be true.

Also, no President in history as done more to create racial tensions than Buster.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 14 2017,6:52 am

(Glad I Left @ Nov. 13 2017,3:33 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Nov. 13 2017,12:58 pm)
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^^Whatever you get has to be balanced out against your ever increasing portion of the national debt...a tax cut devised on a credit card isn't really a tax cut, you're just borrowing something that has to be repaid!

Although it didn't come out too well in my post I was being facetious.
Tax code reform (like health care) has been long overdue, but like the ACA, I'm afraid what's going to come out of this is another clusterfk, that will decades to correct.

Sorry didn't catch your sarcasm GIL

The Republican tax overhaul would eliminate the Medical deduction, which allows people who itemize their federal income taxes to deduct medical expenses that exceed 10 percent of their total income.

This is a real kick in the butt for all of US, if you're old enough to need Assisted Living or Nursing Home care and you can't write a portion of this expensive medical care off your taxes the vast majority of US will go broke and the Taxpayer will get the bill!

My opinion here, if you've been a responsible citizen have savings/assets  paying your own way and need nursing home care or any catastrophic medical expense you should be allowed to write off this expense from dollar one..

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2017,7:21 am
^^ Wow! Mr Socialist wants to keep a tax deduction?
Posted by was1 on Nov. 14 2017,7:57 am
3rd grade teacher crap?

Boy - you just cant take any constructive criticism or suggestions at all.  When you stop the BS you can have good points.  Sadly, I think you don't care of getting any points out or having any actual discussion/debate all you want is to throw insults and call names.

Stick to facts, good points, and actual discussion/debate and this can be a good place to discuss things.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2017,8:07 am
^^ as again kiss my butt. :D
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 14 2017,8:13 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 14 2017,7:21 am)
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^^ Wow! Mr Socialist wants to keep a tax deduction?

You and your spouse are getting to that age SB, as an example lets say your wife has a massive stoke, she can no-longer care for herself and has to go to a nursing-home.

She's your dependent you're now responsible for her Nursing Home bills, I doubt you could cover them long on what a short haul owner operator makes.

Under the current law you could write those expenses above 10% of your income off. It might be tough but you'd survive intact still an owner operator with assets.

What's your option under the Republican plan, bankruptcy-divorce and after your credit is destroyed and everything you own gone you'll be driving for someone else 24/7/365 and your wife will be a burden on the taxpayer..

Maybe you carry nursing home insurance, but from what I hear many of these policy's can be a real mixed bag with many stipulations and disqualifications...

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2017,10:03 am
^^ yes, we carry long term care ins

     Yes, I quite familiar with tax deductions, like being able to deduct what I pay to the state for income and property taxes.

I watch quite intently through this whole process.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 14 2017,11:30 am
for your reading pleasure and your future taxes SB..
I'm not familiar with the contributor but Forbes is business oriented and a right-wing source I believe you've used on occasion.

< https://www.forbes.com/sites...190534c >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 14 2017,12:07 pm
I'm sure whatever goes through will require sitting down with my tax guy and discussing strategy.
Posted by was1 on Nov. 15 2017,6:46 pm
Republican senators are coming out against the bill as it is now.

This is not going to happen any too quickly.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2017,4:54 am

(was1 @ Nov. 15 2017,6:46 pm)
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Republican senators are coming out against the bill as it is now.

This is not going to happen any too quickly.

Yeah, these are republitard senators that need to be primaried out.

Maybe if we're lucky McCain will assume room temperature and the Arizona gov will appoint someone.

Ice cream anyone?

Posted by was1 on Nov. 16 2017,7:51 am
Boy, there is nothing more uplifting than a great post by a family values, christian, Republican to start the day.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2017,9:00 am
I got your Christian values right here pal. :finger:
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2017,9:46 am
From NBC no less

< https://www.google.com/amp...n821111 >

I guess our president could left them in there till they were almost dead.

Posted by was1 on Nov. 16 2017,10:24 am
he made an issue of them thanking him before they even had a chance.

And, sorry, but if you were stealing then you should face the consequences.  Why do they get a get out of jail free card?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2017,10:57 am
So the student that was released from N Korea deserved to die.

I see :blush:

Posted by was1 on Nov. 16 2017,11:28 am
hummm, there's an uneducated leap.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2017,11:31 am
^^ no no no, you said the UCLA students deserved to be punished, don't back out now.
Posted by was1 on Nov. 16 2017,11:58 am
yep - they do.  In an appropriate way that fits the crime. Not starvation, torture, etc.  

If a foreign visitor was caught stealing from here you would be fine if we just let them go?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2017,12:40 pm
^^ are you setting up for world dictator? Deciding what punishments countries may impose?


You'be got the "Dic" part of the name down. :blush:

Posted by was1 on Nov. 16 2017,1:08 pm
oh you got me there.  You sure know how to get someone good.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 16 2017,1:59 pm
^^ not really, just pointing out the obvious.
Posted by was1 on Nov. 16 2017,2:45 pm
oh another one.  

You're killing me.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 17 2017,8:25 am
trrump's low point can this guy go any lower...

CIA Chief Mike Pompeo: Putin Attacked the 2016 Election

DNI Dan Coats: Putin Attacked the 2016 Election

FBI Director Christopher Wray: Putin Attacked the 2016 Election

NSA head Mike Rodger: Putin Attacked the 2016 Election

Putin: we did not do that.

tRump: I believe Putin

tRumptard Comrade Self Blemished: I believe tRump

According to the RealClearPolitics average of polls, Trump has a 38 percent job approval rating, a historic low for a first-term president at this point in the term.

Posted by was1 on Nov. 17 2017,11:56 am
the truth will come out. Sadly the likes of SB still won't believe it.

Trump was right. He could kill someone on live tv and his followers won't believe he did it.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 17 2017,12:13 pm

(was1 @ Nov. 17 2017,11:56 am)
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Trump was right.

Now you're getting it. :thumbsup:
Posted by was1 on Nov. 17 2017,1:18 pm
Yep. He was right that one time. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 18 2017,6:20 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2017,6:51 am
^^ this I would have to agree, you should wise up. :dunce:
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 18 2017,7:37 am

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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 18 2017,2:03 pm
^^ Jake the twit Tapper has been called out more than a few times by our President and press secretary.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 19 2017,6:13 am

(Self-Banished @ Nov. 14 2017,12:07 pm)
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I'm sure whatever goes through will require sitting down with my tax guy and discussing strategy.

This Tax plan would benefit the 1% with the promise of trickle-down for the rest of US but at what expense do these promises come?

eliminating the AMT so everyone at least pays some tax, elimination of the estate tax which is a gift to the uber wealthy, eliminating medical expense deduction,  reducing corporate tax rate by 42% while they're at their most profitable point in history.
Profitable corporations paid U.S. income taxes amounting to just 12.6% of worldwide income in 2010, according to the Government Accountability Office.
The Trump/Republican Tax Cut Plan seriously increases the deficit/debt on some blue sky promise of increased economy and taxation— where have we heard that song and dance before?

this tax plan goes after Medicare big time and when the Republicans run up the debt the won't pay back the money they've borrowed form Social Security Trust fund...watch the Republicans suddenly turn into deficit hawks when they get a chance to steal from the working class...

Why anyone working for a living would vote republican shows the stupidity of the American populace...these guys should go the way of the dinosaur...  

GOP tax bill could spur $25 billion in Medicare cuts: CBO    

< http://thehill.com/policy...cbo?amp >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2017,7:40 am
^^ if it were up to me I'd want a flat tax, no deductions, everyone pays, say 12%? This way, no liability deadbeat voters would have "skin in the game" instead being net welfare recipients. Stopping the giant refunds to people who get more back than they pay in or the dunbasses who give the gov an interest free loan by paying in too much.

< https://www.marketwatch.com/story...6-02-24 >

But why would these leeches vote to change the system?

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 19 2017,9:30 am

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Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2017,9:33 am
^^He's not as dumb as he looks.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 19 2017,9:40 am
oh no SB abandoning Trump—it's the big one my work here is done!!



< View on YouTube >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2017,9:47 am
^^ I said he wasn't as dumb as he looks, meaning he's right, the GOP party as he knows it is toast, how's that abandoning Our President dumbass?
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 19 2017,9:55 am
^^Jeff Flake's comment was on the future of the GOP, and I quote " [if we] become the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump, we are toast,"
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2017,10:08 am
Yep, and he means slime like him.
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 19 2017,10:12 am
how I love it when you eat your own... :rofl:
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2017,10:30 am
^^yep, it is hilarious
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 21 2017,7:54 am
< http://thehill.com/homenew...-report >
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 21 2017,9:23 am
^^ "big ol' yawn"
Damn, I'm bored.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 21 2017,9:51 am
^^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 21 2017,11:49 am
^^ nothing but an idiot. :dunce:
Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 22 2017,7:03 am

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Posted by was1 on Nov. 22 2017,7:50 am
The sad thing is, his followers think what he is doing is great and right.  

If the president is supposed to be our moral authority, the end of times may just be upon us.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 22 2017,9:06 am
He speaks his mind, as fat as the ungrateful, piss-poor parent goes, maybe he would have likeed talking through a glassed partition to his son in a Chinese prison for the next ten years.

At least the son was thankful.

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 22 2017,11:50 am
When Trump gives these two turkeys a pardon do you suppose he'll tweet they weren't grateful enough...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 22 2017,1:20 pm
If they need it and it's very doubtful

I guess you should be grateful to Carter.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 22 2017,1:26 pm
This is the one that needs worrying about.

< https://www.google.com/amp...s%3famp >

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 22 2017,1:59 pm
Comrade SB is going have tears in his eyes when the дерьмо попадает в вентилятор...

< https://www.politico.com/magazin...-215842 >

Posted by Expatriate on Nov. 30 2017,7:13 am
Republicans are pushing this robbery of the USA tax-bill through the Senate with 15 minutes of debate, because they think we're so dumb we'll never notice while Tweety bird occupies the headlines.
Democracy is dead we now live in a Plutocracy..  


< View on YouTube >

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 30 2017,7:39 am
^^ being destroyed by a batsh!t crazy, pants sh!tiing, socialist moron, how will we go on? :sarcasm:
Posted by was1 on Nov. 30 2017,8:26 am
Boy - I never thought 4 months ago that every day would be another new low for the President

sadly, the blind followers like SB don't care, don't believe or, in SB's case, are really just bits.

CBO has shown that this plan will greatly raise the deficit.  So, where are all the righties that are always crying about stopping spending and paying down the debt?  Where is almighty Hannity and is flipping penny plan?  quickly shut up on that one and is all in on this pile of steaming fecal matter.

CBO has also shown that as time goes on, only the wealthy keep any tax breaks, everyone else ends up getting bent over.

We need to end this failed two party system that has turned into completely party lines.   They need to tell the two extremes to that they no longer matter and are not going to run things.  They need to realize that 75% of us are in the middle, don't care about the fringe crazies and want things to start getting done TOGETHER.

Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 30 2017,9:44 am
Good luck with that. The Trumpanzees see compromise as weakness.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 30 2017,9:49 am
^^ figures that out did you? There’s no country anymore, it’s a free for all. Fiscal responsibility went away a long time ago. Now what goes on is just a means to an end. Do you actually think that if stroke lady had been elected or baths!t Sanders things would be better?

For the time being, the economy is growing, nothing to do but take advantage of the situation till the next economic disaster and be prepared for it.

Your turn Mr high and mighty :D

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 30 2017,9:49 am
Sorry about that, drive by got in the way :blush:
Posted by was1 on Nov. 30 2017,12:36 pm
Everyone needs to stop being so partisan.  Stop being blind to truth and facts.  Stop the spreading of falsehoods, alternative facts, and conspiracies.  

Insults, name calling, all the grade school bullying needs to end.

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 30 2017,1:24 pm
^^ In case you haven’t noticed, I have been being nonpartisan.

This might be a solution to our nations problems

< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki...itution >

Posted by was1 on Nov. 30 2017,3:56 pm
Yeah, you are the most nonpartisan person to ever post on this site.

So, what are you suggesting for changes in the Constitution?

Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 30 2017,5:24 pm

(was1 @ Nov. 30 2017,3:56 pm)
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So, what are you suggesting for changes in the Constitution?

Let's start by just abiding by it.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 01 2017,6:23 am
Here we have our fearless leaded once again moving his lips and lying through his teeth...



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Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 01 2017,6:41 am
AARP Opposes Senate Tax Bill

Dear Senator:

On behalf of our members and all Americans age 50 and older, AARP is writing to express our views on the Senate’s Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. AARP, with its nearly 38 million members in all 50 States and the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, represents individuals affected by this tax bill in myriad ways. As we did with the last major effort at tax reform a generation ago, AARP is prepared to support tax legislation that makes the tax code more equitable and efficient, promotes growth, and produces sufficient revenue to pay for critical national programs, including Medicare and Medicaid. However, the Senate Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, in its current form, does not meet these criteria.

Most troubling is the negative effect the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will have on the nation’s ability to fund critical priorities. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will increase the deficit by approximately $1.5 trillion over the next ten years, and an unknown amount beyond 2027. The large increase in the deficit will inevitably lead to calls for greater spending cuts, which are likely to include dramatic cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and other important programs serving older Americans. Indeed, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has confirmed that unless Congress takes action, the reconciliation legislation will result in automatic federal funding cuts of $136 billion in fiscal year 2018, $25 billion of which must come from Medicare. Such sweeping cuts would be detrimental to an already vulnerable population.                      

Efforts to restructure all or part of the federal tax system should maintain incentives for health and retirement security. Such incentives are not only important to assist individuals in attaining the security they deserve but are vital to our nation’s future economic well-being. The expiration of several of the income tax provisions in 2025, introduction of chained Consumer Price Index to the tax code and, for many filers, the repeal of the state and local tax deduction, would result in little if any tax benefit for many older tax filers, and for others, a tax increase. In fact, the Senate Tax and Jobs Act may not deliver tax cuts that older Americans anticipate, and will likely increase taxes for many. According to the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), the Senate Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will reduce taxes for millions of taxpayers beginning in 2019. However, the JCT also estimates that beginning in 2021, tax filers with incomes of $10,000 to $30,000 will be worse off, paying $5.9 billion more in taxes. By 2027, taxes will go up for filers with income below $75,000 by $27.4 billion. AARP has estimated that the Senate Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will increase taxes on 1.2 million taxpayers age 65 and older in 2019, and by 2027, 5.2 million older taxpayers will experience higher taxes. In addition, this bill will provide no tax relief for 5.1 million older taxpayers in 2019 and 5.6 million taxpayers by 2027.

AARP is dedicated to enhancing retirement security, including retention of the additional standard deduction for those aged 65 or older, improving access to, and targeted incentives for, work-place retirement saving plans, and protection of earned pensions for vulnerable retirees and their families. We appreciate that the Senate Tax Cuts and Jobs Act rejects the House provision which eliminates the additional standard deduction for those 65 and older, as well as rejects proposals to make significant changes to the tax treatment of retirement contributions, which would have affected the ability or commitment of many tax filers to save for their retirement. AARP also remains committed to retention of the medical expense itemized deduction and its return to the 7.5 percent income threshold, as well as the creation of a new, non-refundable tax credit for working family caregivers.  

Although the Senate legislation retains the medical expense deduction — unlike the House bill, which repeals this important deduction entirely — the Senate bill does not address the 2017 tax hike on seniors. The income threshold for the deduction for those aged 65+ increased from 7.5 percent to 10 percent in 2017. AARP urges that the medical expense deduction be retained at the 7.5 percent income threshold for older tax filers. Nearly three-quarters of tax filers who claimed the medical expense deduction are age 50 or older and live with a chronic condition or illness, and seventy percent of filers who claimed this deduction have income below $75,000. Maintenance of this important deduction is critical financial protection for seniors with high heath care costs.

AARP opposes repeal of the individual mandate that will increase costs and cause millions of Americans to lose health insurance coverage. The CBO estimates that elimination of the requirement that individuals have health care will result in 13 million fewer Americans with health coverage over the next ten years. CBO also estimates that it will cause premiums in the health insurance marketplace to increase by approximately ten percent. As a result, premiums for 64-year-olds could increase by an average of $1,490. In addition to dropping this health care provision, AARP also continues to urge Congress to pass the bipartisan Alexander/Murray bill that will take immediate steps to stabilize the health insurance market.

For the reasons given, AARP cannot support the Senate Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, in its current form. We urge Congress to work in a bipartisan manner to enact tax legislation that better meets the needs of older Americans and the nation, and we stand ready to work with you toward that end. If you have any questions or need additional information, please feel free to contact me or contact Joyce Rogers, Senior Vice President of Government Affairs.

Sincerely,

Jo Ann C. Jenkins

Chief Executive Officer

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 01 2017,6:55 am
^^ endorsed by the retired nazis☠️
The same idiots that endorsed Bustercare :dunce:

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 01 2017,7:08 am
^^Trump, McConnell and Ryan are selling you a lemon.

It's not only the retirees getting hosed...do some research.

we can't afford this type of trickle down tax policy.

I love how they titled this: Tax Cut and Jobs Act.

You're not dumb enough to believe this will bring one job back from low wage countries are you..think a bit, use that noodle.

Posted by was1 on Dec. 01 2017,8:07 am
Expat - you are asking way too much of SB.  You not only want him to do some research but to also think?  

Every independent agency that has gone through the bill has basically said the same thing.  Everyone gets a token amount to start, then everyone under $100k/yr gets screwed and we GROW the deficit.  Where are all the GOPers who, when a D is the President, scream about running up the debt?  Where are the likes of mouth piece Hannity and his nonstop talk of the penny plan?  until this plan came out he was totally against anything that did not pay down the debt, now he's all in.  

Everyone following Trump is a total tool.

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 01 2017,9:49 am
^^ and you bitch about insults.

Typical nazi hypocrisy.

Posted by was1 on Dec. 01 2017,10:02 am
just trying to fit in with you
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 01 2017,10:30 am
^^ no, you’re just using the “but he does it too” excuse.
Posted by was1 on Dec. 01 2017,1:40 pm
well, you don't seem to understand niceness, logic or facts.  Need to learn the audience so you can communicate with them.  And sadly, you seem to only understand lies, alternative facts, name calling, and insults.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 01 2017,1:49 pm
Sure, opiate junky.
Posted by was1 on Dec. 01 2017,2:35 pm
exactly
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 03 2017,5:59 am
what we've just witnessed on this tax bill from Trump and the Republicans is true Plutocracy...We the People be damn the new Constitution reads— We the Corporations and the 1%ers which we represent..
How can legislation as important as this tax bill be voted on with literally no debate?      

Florida Senator Marco Rubio admits that the Republican tax cut plan to aid corporations and the wealthy will require cuts to Social Security and Medicare to pay for it.

< http://www.newsweek.com/tax-pla...-729133 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2017,7:10 am
Typical nazi shenanigans.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ew.html >

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 03 2017,12:56 pm
^^So you have an FBI agent who's been investigating the Trump Crime Family, he knows what they are and texts his disgust..
Trump and Faux noise response "WHAT ABOUT HER EMAILS"

Mueller removed the FBI agent soon he'll remove Trump & Company...

< https://www.nytimes.com/2017...gn.html >

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2017,1:19 pm
^^ Mieller’s a joke and the only crime family is the Clintons. The only way the our president can be a criminal is in that tiny brain of yours.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 03 2017,1:43 pm
^^You live in the age of Ignorance where the ruling family has picked your pocket...when you're Social Security & Medicare are
pilfered and you realize as you pay your 2018 tax you've been had I'm sure you'll try to blame the Clintons..  idgit...

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2017,4:53 pm
So, the budget calls for a trillion dollars over what, next6-8 years?

How much did Buster spend over 8 years, 10?

There's going to have to be cuts and it is long past due.

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 04 2017,6:05 am
^^You have a 457 page giveaway to the corporations and 1%ers that's increasing the deficit/debt..The Republicans plan to go after Social Security
and Medicare— programs you've already paid for, they are robbing you..idgit

Actually Obama reduced the deficit during his tenure which means he reduced spending, difficult as that is to believe for someone like you statistics are available to anyone with the smarts to research!
Deficit relates to debt, our debt is to high, we can no longer afford all these foreign conflicts or a trickle down policy that erodes the quality of life in OUR Country.  

We have to pay our bills as individuals, our Country has to pay it's debts and obligations, this mean everyone, but the Republicans have given US a 457 page document filled with exemptions for their wealthy constituents.    

< http://www.politifact.com/truth-o...wo-thir >

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 04 2017,7:13 am
Yes, we need to pay our debts but we also need to eliminate, not trim unnecessary programs and the list of them is tremendous.

This notion that the republitRds want to go after SS and med is ridiculous and only morons like yourself actually believe this.

The bill isn’t even in its final form yet you bawl like a love struck cow.

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 04 2017,8:27 am
And then there are drama queens such as this one

< https://www.google.com/amp...phtml=y >

:dunce:  :rofl:  :dunce:

Posted by was1 on Dec. 04 2017,9:04 am
SB - please list those programs you would trim and eliminate.

Senate bill is in final form and passed.  House bill is in final form and passed.  Reconciliation is now needed.  One idea being floated is that the House will just accept the Senate bill so it can be done.

457 pages with writing in the margins.  Limited debate.  Didn't all the R's complain the ACA was moved too quickly and with not enough debate?  How is this any different?

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 04 2017,9:20 am
The ACA was over 1000 pages, and was given less the 24 hours to read.
Don’t you remember Pelosi? “We have to pass it to see what’s in it”.

Let’s start out with monies to sanctuary cities, most foreign aid, i’m Sure one of you twits will pipe up and say it doesn’t amount to much but that’s how we start, baby steps.

Here’s another

< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis–Bacon_Act_of_1931 >

Posted by was1 on Dec. 04 2017,10:08 am
I'm just saying that the R's complained relentlessly and for years, up to just weeks ago, about how the ACA was pushed through, and now, they did basically the same thing.

Agree on the foreign aid, especially when some of the aid is simply going to a country because we are giving one of their enemies aid as well.  

Davis-Bacon also costs us a lot of $$, not only in the wages paid to the workers, but also to added time and thus cost, for government agencies to administer it, do all the paper work, wage checks, etc. that are also required.  

You cannot touch social security or medicare/Medicaid

I think the retirement and medical benefits that senators and congressmen receive should be reviewed and adjust down to something similar that those they represent get.

Waste in all areas needs to be found and eliminated.  Fraud in SS, MC, welfare, etc.  and those found abusing the systems should be fined at least twice what they are found to have cheated.

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 04 2017,11:40 am
^^ agreed on most points, SS and Med are the “third rail” . As far as the nazis complaining about how legislation is pushed through, you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

The republitards stepped all over their dicks pushing this through.

I do expect expat to do his lonesome cow routine about Bacon Davis.

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 05 2017,5:01 am
Labor laws are in place for a reason, somewhere along the line there was enough abuse to create the need for a law.
SB is once again parroting Trump and the Republican Party line with their never ending war on the worker.

A fair day's wage for a fair day's work.

Davis Bacon relates to Federal Projects Minnesota has it's own prevailing wage law.

What's good for the worker in general is good for the economy. The dollar earned and spent by the laborer does far more good than the dollars pocketed by the affluent.

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 05 2017,5:38 am
Back to the thread.. Trump & company tried to undermine OUR governments President by negotiating with the Russian government to remove sanctions put in place for their interference in OUR election.
Trump was a mere candidate, essentially a private citizen. This is a violation of the Logan Act.
The real problem here is the coverup, they knew exactly what they were doing, and the fact it wasn't kosher. why else would they go into a complete denial and coverup mode. this smells of Quid pro quo...

< http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckrak...ns-call >

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 05 2017,6:40 am
Violating the Logan act, have you been following Buster lately, more accurately, have you been watching Buster follow our president?

As far as labor laws go, having what we have in MN is somewhat better, realistically it should be what the market will bear.

I doubt as to if you know what a days work is😫

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 05 2017,7:46 am

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Posted by was1 on Dec. 05 2017,8:26 am
I have worked in the area of construction work and the Davis Bacon and MN labor laws for decades.  I have to say that what I saw was not necessary and believe the market should make that determination.  

For Freeborn County here are some of the required wages:
LABOR CLASS                                                  Base                  Fringe
Common Laborer (the guy shoveling gravel)        $26.68                     $17.67
Flag Person                                                       $26.68                     $17.67
Pipe layer (Sewer, water, gas)                             $29.18                     $17.67
Traffic Control (Putting up the temp signs)           $26.68                      $17.67
Quality Control Tester (this one pisses me off)     $19.70                      $0.13
Pavement Marking (total joke)                            $33.48                      $20.91
Bituminous Roller                                               $32.08                     $19.70

That is just a sampling.  IMO way out of line.  Sorry but the Quality Control Tester should be one of the highest paid, not lowest.  That is someone who is doing all the material testing for the project, making sure the materials meet project specifications and are placed properly.  That person needs to go to many training's, have a strong math and science ability, and is typically someone who either went to tech school or is a fresh out of college engineering degree person.  

People should be begging to get any of those construction jobs.  Who wouldn't want to drive a bit roller all day for $32.08/hr plus OT after 8 hrs, plus the benefits?

Like I said, I've been around that work for decades, and it is way out of line, and costs the tax payers.

Posted by Glad I Left on Dec. 05 2017,8:41 am
I don't get what you mean by "required wages"
Posted by was1 on Dec. 05 2017,8:47 am
on state or federally funded projects, construction contractors are required by law to pay, at a minimum, those stated wages and fringe benefits to all workers on the project.  

PREVAILING WAGE
Prevailing wage is the hourly rate, plus benefits, required by law to be paid for each trade or occupation while performing work on state-funded construction projects.

These projects can be highways, roads, wastewater treatment plants, JOBZ projects, public utilities, schools, parks and recreation improvements, or any other construction project funded in part or whole by state funds.

Minnesota's prevailing wage law (Minnesota Statutes 177.41 through 177.44) requires employees working on state-funded construction projects or other projects covered by law be paid wage rates comparable to wages paid for similar work in the area where the project is located.

Posted by Glad I Left on Dec. 05 2017,10:29 am
Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.  My late uncle worked hiway construction for years all over the country and there were certain states they hated going to because the paying wage was crap (in his words)
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 05 2017,1:34 pm
..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 06 2017,4:58 am
^^ yes, many nazis are. :D
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 06 2017,5:22 am
^^^idgit—they say ignorance is bliss—that's why you're so happy...

What the Experts Are Saying About Outsourcing and the GOP Tax Bill
AFL-CIO Staff
November 29, 2017

We know the Republican tax plan favors the super-rich and the wealthy corporations over working people. One of the many ways it will hurt working people is by setting up a territorial tax system, under which the active income of U.S. companies earned offshore will no longer be subject to U.S. taxes. This will further entice U.S. multinationals to shift their jobs and profits overseas.

But don't take our word for it. Here's what the experts are saying about outsourcing and the Republican tax bill:

Jared Bernstein, senior fellow, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities; former chief economist to Vice President Joe Biden:

   “The Republican tax plan….is likely to lead to more outsourcing of U.S. jobs and a larger trade deficit. The tax plan moves to what’s called a territorial system of international taxation, which means the U.S. tax rate on the overseas earnings of U.S. foreign affiliates would become zero.”

Rebecca Kysar, professor of law, Brooklyn Law School:


   “A pressing goal of tax reform is to reduce the incentives for companies to move their operations overseas. This bill does the opposite.”

Edward Kleinbard, former chief of staff, Joint Committee on Taxation; University of Southern California Gould School of Law:

   “The administration’s tax cut proposal is coupled with a territorial tax system, which permanently exempts foreign income from taxation; this will further tilt the playing field in favor of foreign, rather than U.S., investment.”

Kimberly Clausing, professor of economics, Reed College:

   The House and Senate Republican tax bills create a territorial tax system that “exempts foreign income from U.S. taxation. This tilts the playing field even further toward doing business abroad rather than at home, since there will always be countries with lower rates. A territorial system makes explicit and permanent the preference for foreign income over domestic income. It accelerates the profit shifting behind our corporate tax base erosion problem.”

Carl Levin, former senator:

   “The House and Senate tax bills would be a monumental mistake for the country for many reasons, but one compelling reason is the disastrous way they treat foreign corporate profits and encourage companies to shift their operations and the economic benefits of intellectual property overseas.”

Richard Phillips, senior policy analyst, Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy:

   “The most significant component of the Senate tax proposal on international taxes is moving to a territorial tax system, under which active income of U.S. companies earned offshore will no longer be subject to U.S. taxes. By doing this, the Senate tax plan moves in the opposite direction of real tax reform by substantially contracting the base of the U.S. corporate tax. According to the Joint Tax Committee, moving to the territorial tax system would cost $215 billion over the next decade. Exempting offshore income from U.S. taxation would encourage further profit shifting and would also create a tax incentive for corporations to move real operations and jobs offshore to take advantage of lower tax rates.”

Steven Rosenthal, senior fellow, Tax Policy Center; former counsel to Joint Tax Committee:

   "The Tax Cut and Jobs Act (TCJA) that the Senate is debating this week would fundamentally change the way U.S.-based multinational corporations are taxed on their overseas income. But contrary to the claims of President Trump and congressional supporters, the new approach may still encourage U.S. companies to shift production overseas."

Reuven Avi-Yonah, professor of law, University of Michigan:


   Certain “multinational corporations (for example, GE or Intel) will pay less because they have more tangible assets offshore. This creates an obvious incentive to move jobs (not just profits) offshore. Moreover, the proposal standing on its own would induce profit shifting because of the combination of the participation exemption and the lower rate (12.5% is less than 20%).”

Chuck Marr, director of Federal Tax Policy, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities:

   “Another, less-noticed provision would permanently set an even lower tax rate for U.S.-based multinationals’ foreign profits by adopting a ‘territorial’ tax system, which would encourage firms to shift profits and investment offshore. As Senate Republican Ron Johnson said recently, ‘With a territorial system, there will be a real incentive to keep manufacturing overseas.’”

The FACT Coalition

   “This bill would create significant new tax incentives to move U.S. jobs, profits, and operations overseas, while exploding the deficit. The bill’s complicated structure also creates multiple new loopholes to allow for expanded tax avoidance by large multinational companies at the expense of small businesses and wholly domestic companies.”

Victor Fleischer, tax professor, University of San Diego:

   “The international provisions of the Senate tax bill are worse than I thought—a very nice gift to multinationals.”

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 06 2017,5:42 am
AFL CIO?  A new football league?

You should be happy this is going on, I'm posting less, too damned busy.
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Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 06 2017,6:32 am
US trade deficit rises to $48.7 billion on record imports

< http://abcnews.go.com/Busines...1585695 >

financial discipline and responsibility hasn't been a strong suit of the populace of our country. The number living from paycheck to paycheck is unacceptable, the debt-load most of these people are carrying is unsustainable.

This pending tragedy is only exasperated by the multinational seeking ever cheaper labor offshore and selling those goods here. This in-turn puts downward pressure on wages when the American worker can least afford it..

we haven't really seen an increase in employment we've seen the boomers retiring. this trend will continue for some time.

you may be busy now but the big bust is coming...this isn't a good thing for any of US...

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 06 2017,7:32 am
^^ yeah, that’s been said a lot, over many many years and it’ll continue for many many more years.

As for now?

Posted by was1 on Dec. 06 2017,7:48 am
I tend to no go by what unions put out.  However, all the quotes in it are telling.

Looks to me like Trump just saved all his overseas companies millions.  But, like he told Letterman "we need to put them to work too" when discussing his ties and other products are made over seas.  

R's have long talked about reducing the debt, reducing the trade deficit, bringing jobs back to the US.  10 months in of them having total control and the opposite on all is happening and they are giddy about it.

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 06 2017,7:51 am
^^ yes, the US tie industry is in ruins :sarcasm:
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 11 2017,6:06 am

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Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 11 2017,7:00 am
^^ Chicken Noodle News :rofl:
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 11 2017,7:05 am
^^Carl Bernstein —I'm sure you don't have clue who he is...
It's the guy who exposed the Nixon coverup calling the Trump scandal a coverup!

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 11 2017,7:58 am
^^ yes, I know who he is and no, he hasn’t been relevant in decades and finally, I don’t give a sh!t.
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 13 2017,6:36 am
Will Trump's lows ever hit rock bottom?

A president who'd all but call a senator a whore is unfit to clean toilets in Obama's presidential library

< https://www.usatoday.com/story...5947001 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 13 2017,7:12 am
^^ he calls them as he sees them
She is a whore.

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 13 2017,9:45 am
it's time for the liar in chief to go...


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Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 13 2017,11:09 am
^^ oh my, how terrible, he looked at them :sarcasm:

No groping like Senator Creepy?

No rape like the commander in sleeze of the nineties?

No wiener pics ( in all fairness he’s behind bars now)

No running a male prostitution ring out his apartment like Frank?

Wow, string him up! :sarcasm:  :rofl:  :sarcasm:

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 14 2017,6:53 am
...
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2017,8:00 am
^^
Our economy is booming

Israel sees us as an ally again

If Congress is successful he’ll sign a tax bill that will see our economy grow even more

N. Korea has been addressed because prior presidents haven’t or were complicit in their nuclear build up (Clinton & Buster)

Many bullish!t regulations have been abolished

Yeah, doing really great. :D

Posted by irisheyes on Dec. 14 2017,10:27 am

(Self-Banished @ Dec. 11 2017,7:58 am)
QUOTE
^^ yes, I know who he is and no, he hasn’t been relevant in decades

Sadly, real journalism hasn't been relevant to you in decades, I guess.  Not when there's Brietbart and Repub strategists to get your marching orders.

QUOTE
Our economy is booming

Yes, thanks to raising taxes on the richest to fund infrastructure and reduce the deficit.  It did exactly what we said it would because we've seen it multiple times now.  Clinton and Obama both raised taxes on the rich to fund infrastructure and reduce the deficit and we boom, Bush did the opposite and we bust.

In the words of George H.W., Voodoo economics will blow up our deficit just like when Reagan and George W. did it.  They got tax cuts for the rich, and all we got was savings & loan/banking crashes, recessions, high unemployment, and cuts to wages.  I just hope the GOP loses their majority soon so we have time to undo the damage yet again.

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 14 2017,12:28 pm
^^ yeah, shovel ready was a yuge success :sarcasm:

I sat and watched 8 years of piss-poor economic growth and Buster declaring that the Great Recession (what a load of bullish!t) was over. If it was such a deep recession we should have come roaring out of it, instead we faltered along, held back by regulation or mismanagement.

I expect to make a lot of money this next year, more so than this year and numbers are way up.

Government needs to be reined in and this economy the chance to grow.

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