Forum: Opinion
Topic: Your Toaster is a Narc
started by: Botto 82

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 02 2016,5:42 pm
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Encryption May Hurt Surveillance, But Internet Of Things Could Open New Doors

Updated February 2, 20164:43 PM ET
Published February 2, 20162:54 PM ET
ALINA SELYUKH
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FBI Director James Comey is one of the federal officials who has said that the growing use of encryption hurts the ability to track criminals.

Tech companies and privacy advocates have been in a stalemate with government officials over how encrypted communication affects the ability of federal investigators to monitor terrorists and other criminals. A new study by Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society convened experts from all sides to put the issue in context.

The report concluded that information from some apps and devices like smartphones may be harder for government investigators to intercept because of stronger encryption. But, it said, we are connecting so many more things to the Internet (light bulbs, door locks, watches, toasters) that they could create new surveillance channels.

According to the report:

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"The increased availability of encryption technologies certainly impedes government surveillance under certain circumstances, and in this sense, the government is losing some surveillance opportunities. However, we concluded that the combination of technological developments and market forces is likely to fill some of these gaps and, more broadly, to ensure that the government will gain new opportunities to gather critical information from surveillance."


The encryption debate has reheated recently following the attacks in Paris and to some extent San Bernardino, Calif., with CIA and FBI officials warning about their investigation channels "going dark" because of the stronger encryption placed on communications tools like WhatsApp or FaceTime.

(The distinction is this: With things like emails, Web searches, photos or social network posts, information typically gets encrypted on your phone or laptop and then decrypted and stored on a big corporate data server, where law enforcement officials have the technical and legal ability to get access to the content, for instance, with a subpoena. But with messages that are encrypted end-to-end, data gets encrypted on one device and only gets decrypted when it reaches the recipient's device, making it inaccessible even with a subpoena.)

Attorney General Loretta Lynch (right) and FBI Director James Comey, seen at a meeting in Washington, D.C., in November,  are among the Obama administration officials meeting Friday with tech industry leaders.

The agencies have asked for "back doors" into these technologies, though the Obama administration cooled off its push for related legislation late last year over concerns that such security loopholes would also attract hackers and other governments.

But the Harvard report (which was funded by the Hewlett Foundation) argues that "going dark" is a faulty metaphor for the surveillance of the future, thanks to the raft of new technologies that are and likely will remain unencrypted — all the Web-connected home appliances and consumer electronics that sometimes get dubbed the Internet of Things.

Some of the ways the data used to be accessed will undoubtedly become unavailable to investigators, says Jonathan Zittrain, a Harvard professor who was one of the authors. "But the overall landscape is getting brighter and brighter as there are so many more paths by which to achieve surveillance," he says.

"If you have data flowing or at rest somewhere and it's held by somebody that can be under the jurisdiction of not just one but multiple governments, those governments at some point or another are going to get around to asking for the data," he says.

The study team is notable for including technical experts and civil liberties advocates alongside current and former National Security Agency, Defense Department and Justice Department officials. Another chief author was Matthew Olsen, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center and NSA general counsel.

Though not all 14 core members had to agree to every word of the report, they had to approve of the thrust of its findings — with the exception of current NSA officials John DeLong and Anne Neuberger, whose jobs prevented them from signing onto the report (and Zittrain says nothing should be inferred about their views).

The results of the report are a bit ironic: It tries to close one can of worms (the debate over encryption hurting surveillance) but opens another one (the concerns about privacy in the future of Internet-connected everything).

"When you look at it over the long term," says Zittrain, "with the breadth of ways in which stuff that used to be ephemeral is now becoming digital and stored, the opportunities for surveillance are quite bright, possibly even worryingly so."



< NPR Article >

Some comments:

"It is a question of the source of your freedom. If the government is the source of your freedom, by all means they should have permission to easily see what you are up to. If freedom exists outside of government, and government is only involved to the extent that they are required to respect that, no way do they get to see what you are up to, just in case."

"The refrigerator coldly ignored Harold as it completed its report to Weight Watchers central command."  :rofl:

"My wife was going to download a live wallpaper on the Play Store the other day. The App wanted permissions to access her contacts, camera, microphone, images, and documents... She and I laughed, she clicked no, and proceeded to look for a wallpaper that didn't want permissions to anything. Ever since then, I've wondered how many people clicked yes?"

Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 02 2016,6:59 pm

(Botto 82 @ Feb. 02 2016,5:42 pm)
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"My wife was going to download a live wallpaper on the Play Store the other day. The App wanted permissions to access her contacts, camera, microphone, images, and documents... She and I laughed, she clicked no, and proceeded to look for a wallpaper that didn't want permissions to anything. Ever since then, I've wondered how many people clicked yes?"

Is this actually true? Are things like this happening to internet users?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 02 2016,7:28 pm

(stardust14 @ Feb. 02 2016,6:59 pm)
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(Botto 82 @ Feb. 02 2016,5:42 pm)
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"My wife was going to download a live wallpaper on the Play Store the other day. The App wanted permissions to access her contacts, camera, microphone, images, and documents... She and I laughed, she clicked no, and proceeded to look for a wallpaper that didn't want permissions to anything. Ever since then, I've wondered how many people clicked yes?"

Is this actually true? Are things like this happening to internet users?

Stardust, this is a list of permissions requested by an Amazon Inc. app. The app is Amazon Underground (for anyone who wants to look themselves at amazon.com .

*Install packages
*Access coarse (e.g., Cell-ID, Wi-Fi) location
*PowerManager WakeLocks to keep processor from sleeping or screen from dimming
*Access information about Wi-Fi networks
*Manage the list of accounts in the AccountManager
*Allows an application to receive messages via Google Cloud Messaging
*PACKAGE_USAGE_STATS
*Record audio
*Change Wi-Fi connectivity state
*Open network sockets
*Install an app update
*Read the user's contacts data
*Access the flashlight
*Access the list of accounts in the Accounts Service
*Act as an AccountAuthenticator for the AccountManager
*Write to external storage
*Access fine (e.g., GPS) location
*Allows an application to uninstall home screen shortcuts
*Access information about networks
*Delete packages
*Allows installation of home screen shortcuts
*Monitor incoming SMS messages, to record or perform processing on them
*Send SMS messages
*Allows an application to read device settings
*Access the vibration feature
*REAL_GET_TASKS
*Request authtokens from the AccountManager
*Required to be able to access the camera device
*Read from external storage
*Read only access to device state


A LOT of people freaked about some of the permission requests so Amazon added this explanation for some of them.

* Read Contacts permission is used to provide customers access to their phone contacts from the app for the purposes of sending Amazon gift cards.
* SMS permission is used to simplify the sign up process for features such as Mobile Carrier Billing and Amazon Mobile Accounts that require phone number verification.
* Camera permission is used to enable the Scan It feature, which allows customers to perform product searches by scanning a barcode or pointing their camera at a product they are interested in.
* Microphone permission is used to enable the voice search and voice assistant features, and the microphone is left off when these features are not in use.
* Location permission is used to enable a convenience store delivery service offered by Amazon in France and Japan only.
* Phone status permission is required to support notifications in China.
* Storage permission is used to enable the downloading of 3rd party apps from the Amazon Underground App to device storage.

Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 02 2016,9:17 pm
Not good. But then I'm among the handful of people not using a cellphone. I've noticed ever since I upgraded to Google Chrome the creeps follow me around online with signature pop-ups indicating what sites I've visited. Creepy. Also, since the upgrade, there was difficulty(to say the least) in downloading music. So I suckered for Amazon Music. Lo and behold Amazon music "borrows" all my music from another player and stashes them in their music files.

Tech nerds must be able to escape their evil eye?

Wishing Google's off-shore accounts in the Caribbean are hacked and vanish into Neverland.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 02 2016,9:48 pm

(stardust14 @ Feb. 02 2016,9:17 pm)
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Wishing Google's off-shore accounts in the Caribbean are hacked and vanish into Neverland.

LMAO  :rofl:

Yeah, I've noticed targeted ads as well. Also, in my Gmail quite awhile back ads will pop up targeted at things I've mentioned in emails I've just sent. It's happened way too many times for that to be coincidence. This site also has targeted ads. Must be from cookies and what-not. I have no idea how things like that work.
I don't have a cell phone either, I hate the damn phone.

Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 03 2016,2:00 am
Same thing here with my Gmails. That's sick! And I was checking out some laptop speakers on ebay just before I visited this site. Sure, enough, those same speakers come floating up on ALDF page.

Worst of all now Botto has me worried my toaster is keeping secrets from me. Face palm.  :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 03 2016,5:09 am
I was in Target yesterday, there was a sale on Reynolds wrap, the nice stuff too, heavy duty, 36". Just right for your appearal needs. :thumbsup:
Posted by grassman on Feb. 03 2016,5:28 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 03 2016,5:09 am)
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I was in Target yesterday, there was a sale on Reynolds wrap, the nice stuff too, heavy duty, 36". Just right for your appearal needs. :thumbsup:

We know, you were on video. :blush:  Ever watch the show "Person of Interest"?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 03 2016,6:15 am
^^I don't watch a lot of tv.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 06 2016,4:14 pm
Botto
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"When you look at it over the long term," says Zittrain, "with the breadth of ways in which stuff that used to be ephemeral is now becoming digital and stored, the opportunities for surveillance are quite bright, possibly even worryingly so."



This was put into the forum before, former CIA Chief Tech Officer:



< View on YouTube >


"Using mobile sensor data you can be identified 100% by your gait."

Big Data: "We try to collect everything and hang onto it forever."

"It is really very nearly within our grasp to be able to compute on all human-generated information."

By the way, at the end of the video the host jokes that he's going to go throw his cell phone away.

Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 06 2016,5:15 pm
Like I say. Glad I never had one. Glad I never will.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2016,5:54 pm
^^
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 06 2016,6:31 pm
I've never had one and never will. Never wanted one. Why is that BS SB?
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 06 2016,6:34 pm
Another generation voluntarily tethered at every moment of their waking life. A generation being stalked by online entrepreneurs and government agencies. Well domesticated, responding in reflex to every tweet.  
Their behavior as sets of data points run through consumer algorithms. Seen both as a product and a consuming entity. An onslaught of brainless memes that entice old decrepit troll turds to employ.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2016,7:07 pm

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Feb. 06 2016,6:31 pm)
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I've never had one and never will. Never wanted one. Why is that BS SB?

Well maybe not, I don't think they allow cell phones at St Peter. :D

Oh come on, cell phones are cheaper than land lines now. He bullsh!tting you.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 06 2016,7:20 pm

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 06 2016,7:07 pm)
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Oh come on, cell phones are cheaper than land lines now. He bullsh!tting you.

Well, the reason I don't have a cell phone has nothing to do with price. I'm a tree hugger remember, I try to limit my footprint. I find these hand held traveling devices quite annoying actually. They are everywhere!! Damn. I hate cell phones and I-devices and whatchamahoosits.
Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 06 2016,8:06 pm
Not sure what came first---the spike in narcissism or cellphones. They feed off one another like zombies.

Have I really found another person on earth not attached bionically to a cellphone? It can't be!

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2016,10:10 pm
In my world it's nessessary to be competitive, dispatch, document scanning, billing, maps, traffic, on and on and on. I find nothing narassistic about it. On the weekends it sits on the table charging.

I do however find one very irritating activity with it, texting. I can never understand why people text everything when a phone call will do.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Feb. 07 2016,1:33 pm

(stardust14 @ Feb. 06 2016,8:06 pm)
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Not sure what came first---the spike in narcissism or cellphones. They feed off one another like zombies.

Have I really found another person on earth not attached bionically to a cellphone? It can't be!

Those of us without cell phones really are a rare breed now-a-days it seems. I really don't like them, I understand why some people (like you SB) need them for work and such, but it seems like most people think they are as necessary as shoes or pants! For me, the worst part about all this cell phone craze (other than the environmental impacts)  is that if I am out and about and find I do need to make a call, I'm out of luck. Public pay phones hardly exist any more.
I was in the Shopko pharmacy a couple years ago and noticed a sign at the pick-up counter that told people to stay off their cell phones if they expected help. I went and asked the girl about it and she said I wouldn't believe all the people who are on their phones while picking up prescriptions and are quite rude if the pharmacy workers expect them to stop talking on the phone so the pharmacy workers can conduct their business with them. She said even if there are people behind the person in line, most of them expect everyone to wait! How rude!  I don't get it.

SB
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I do however find one very irritating activity with it, texting. I can never understand why people text everything when a phone call will do.


I don't understand it either.

Posted by stardust14 on Feb. 07 2016,11:38 pm
Texting is an insulating method of communication. Much like forums as this. There are benefits and drawbacks. Cellphone usage while driving should be illegal. Convenience gone haywire while endangering others.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 08 2016,4:28 am

(stardust14 @ Feb. 07 2016,11:38 pm)
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Cellphone usage while driving should be illegal. Convenience gone haywire while endangering others.

This I agree and as a commercial driver it is illegal for me to be on the phone unless I'm hands free ($2700 fine) I don't even like the Bluetooth either.
Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 08 2016,6:59 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 06 2016,10:10 pm)
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I do however find one very irritating activity with it, texting. I can never understand why people text everything when a phone call will do.

I used to think the same way, until I finally earned my degree and left the production floor.  When I'm not traveling, I'm usually in my office sitting in on countless (mostly useless) meetings.  It is a godsend to be able to text people and keep up on things since I can't call them.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 08 2016,7:13 am
^^ it is nice if I want to send a message to my wife when's she's at work and can't be disturbed.
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