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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,6:42 am

The democrats go at it tonight :peaceout:

Will it be a knockdown drag Out?
Or will we fall asleep peacefully from the pandering and lies?

Posted by the breeze on Oct. 13 2015,7:20 am

Trump: If You Watch the Democratic Debate, You’ll Be Asleep in Minutes
by Ken Meyer | 4:58 pm, October 12th, 2015

Trump has made no secret of how he’s taken credit for the record levels of viewership given to the 2016 Republican debates. Now, with the first Democratic debate coming up on CNN, Trump is saying that without him there to boost ratings, the event will be too boring to watch all the way to the end. < http://www.mediaite.com/tv...minutes >

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 13 2015,8:51 am

Watching Fox this morning, (surprise) the question was posed if CNN would use the same tactic as they did with the GOP trying to pit one against the other. Clinton, just like Trump in the other debate, has the most to lose. The moderators used him as an attack point. If Cooper does the same with Hillary, it could easily become a melee after she loses her temper and composure. Wait, they won't do that to her. She's on a pedestal. High above even her darkest scandals.

Expat, if Anderson leads with the right questions tonight, Bernie could possibly tear her up. But, it will likely be a ho-hummer tonight. :sleep:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,10:19 am

I think Bullsh!t Bernie gonna be after stroke lady in a big way, otherwise he don't stand a chance.

Posted by Glad I Left on Oct. 13 2015,12:23 pm

much like when the republidiots were on... I am sure I'll find something better to do...
I like politics, but I hate the game.
Until there is REAL reform it will continue to be picking the least smelling poop in the bowl.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,7:45 pm

And it starts,
The national anthem? Cheryl Crow? How patriotic :sarcasm:

More like, sanctimoniousness :blush:

Posted by mrugly on Oct. 13 2015,8:05 pm

Was going to make this topic but S.B has beaten me to it. I don't really like any of the democrats debating this evening. I'm more republican than democrat but every once in a while i don't mind some of the democrats.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,8:08 pm

Stroke lady referred to her father as a factory worker
< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_E._Rodham >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,8:13 pm

Sanders conveniently side-steps the socialist question.

Meet the Press
Meet the Press – Verified account ‏@meetthepress

CHUCK TODD: Are you a capitalist?

@BernieSanders: No. I'm a Democratic Socialist.
6:33 AM - 11 Oct 2015
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Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,8:45 pm

So when asked what the greatest threat we face today is, four of them said answers in the Iran/terrorist/nuclear sphere, Bullsh!t Bernie say global warming :rofl:

The sharpest up there is Jim Webb, why are the Dems even considering the four other clowns? :dunno:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,8:59 pm

Appenently only black lives matter, at least to two of the lesser candidates, sanders and stroke lady got a pass on the question. Webb actually had some courage.

They talked of Wall Street banking and breaking them up. Maybe stroke lady should take some our tax money and invest it in cattle futures, eliminate the deficet :blush:

< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki...roversy >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2015,9:43 pm

From what I've seen tonight the Dems need to run with Webb, Mr. Forehead seem to be fairly competent, he could speak a little better but he's better by far than the disgusting pandering clowns I watched tonight.

Posted by grassman on Oct. 14 2015,8:35 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 13 2015,7:45 pm)

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And it starts,
The national anthem? Cheryl Crow? How patriotic :sarcasm:

More like, sanctimoniousness :blush:

width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dyihQtBes1I?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>

can't get it to work

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 14 2015,8:42 am

^^i've heard they make little blue pills for that. :rofl:

Posted by mrugly on Oct. 14 2015,9:14 am

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 14 2015,6:20 pm

Hillary was in full anti-GOP mode. It's clear she wasn't debating the other four people on the stage. She obviously doesn't feel threatened by any of them.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 14 2015,7:49 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 13 2015,10:19 am)

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I think Bullsh!t Bernie gonna be after stroke lady in a big way, otherwise he don't stand a chance.

You wished. If people want to see animals chew on one another visit a wildlife refuge...or check out the next GOP debate.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 14 2015,7:58 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 13 2015,8:13 pm)

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Don't see any side-stepping. Did you expect him to show a membership card in the Commie Party?

Funny how gotcha questions become more important to some rather than crooked billionaires owning this country.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 14 2015,8:17 pm

(Botto 82 @ Oct. 14 2015,6:20 pm)

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Hillary was in full anti-GOP mode. It's clear she wasn't debating the other four people on the stage. She obviously doesn't feel threatened by any of them.

Agreed. Hillary's campaign knows of the many conservative Democrat primarys ahead. Iowa is the first in this category. Bernie has little chance in such states.

What we need is to convert a portion of the Commerce Dept into full-time watchdog and prosecution of corrupt financial institutions. Wallstreet is becoming a nation of itself. The South once seceded from the Union using slavery as reason. Today Wallstreet is seceding, taking trillions $$$$$$ with them, leaving millions of endentured servants behind to fight over the crumbs...and pass more wealth to the top.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2015,5:18 am

(stardust14 @ Oct. 14 2015,7:49 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Oct. 13 2015,10:19 am)

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I think Bullsh!t Bernie gonna be after stroke lady in a big way, otherwise he don't stand a chance.

You wished. If people want to see animals chew on one another visit a wildlife refuge...or check out the next GOP debate.

To a certain extent the others tried but Bullsh!t and stroke lady seemed to be engaged in mutual ass-kissing. Was there an agreement before the debate started?

If this is the best the Dems have to offer we just might end up with Trump as prez.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 15 2015,11:36 am

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 15 2015,5:18 am)

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True. But then civility does have its merits.

Bernie and Trump are similar in one way---foreign policy is not their strength.

How many of either's supporters will actually vote in primaries? How many will cave to the "electable safe square" candidate? By the time S. Carolina primaries arrive we should know. Once more those states late in the primaries will have little say in candidates. Media will have annointed their choice and the sheep will bow in reverence.

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 15 2015,12:06 pm

(stardust14 @ Oct. 15 2015,11:36 am)

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Bernie and Trump are similar in one way---foreign policy is not their strength.

What's the benchmark, there? Clinton? Obama? Reagan? Bush 1 or 2? Seems to me nobody's winning that race, given the quagmire that the Middle East has become.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 15 2015,12:52 pm

(stardust14 @ Oct. 15 2015,11:36 am)

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By the time S. Carolina primaries arrive we should know. Once more those states late in the primaries will have little say in candidates. Media will have annointed their choice and the sheep will bow in reverence.

Wouldn't you say that the media has already picked their anointed ones? There's little doubt that the MSM has Hillary already elected. Sure, they are pushing the Trump train down the tracks but seem confident that train will run off the track soon enough. I think the left loonies believe the Donald will self implode. The later, the better.

At that point, the only sheep will be following the bitchwolf.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 15 2015,1:53 pm

(Botto 82 @ Oct. 15 2015,12:06 pm)

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What's the benchmark, there? Clinton? Obama? Reagan? Bush 1 or 2? Seems to me nobody's winning that race, given the quagmire that the Middle East has become.

That's a toughy. At first glance it's difficult to come up with a benchmark president on foreign policy.

There are hordes of dysfunctional nations to deal with following the collapse of the Cold War. The Cold War artificially hid dysfunction, or it impeded responsible foreign players.

I so despise the rampant tribalism politics in the Middle East. Wish we could elect officials that knew how to deal with other rational nations as far as trade and climate. Unfortunately it's the bad actors around the world that attract our attention and time.

Conclusion: I have no answer to your question.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 15 2015,2:12 pm

(MADDOG @ Oct. 15 2015,12:52 pm)

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Agreed. Question is: what % of the public trusts media with their choices? As I have pointed out here several times media has become the conscience of citizens. Personal conscience and gut feelings are being wiped out, sanitized, regulated, illegitimized by media.

Judging from my online experience I would say a high percentage of people use media as consultants in their personal decision making. Sure, they bitch about media. But it's biased bitching from one side of the fence. Corporate media is corporate media, despite their leanings. None to be trusted.

Sheep love a herd. Media shepard the sheep on over-grazed pastureland. Trump and Bernie are played as wolves threatening to both sheep and shepard.

Listen. Hear the Baaaaaaing all around.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 15 2015,2:26 pm

(MADDOG @ Oct. 15 2015,12:52 pm)

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(stardust14 @ Oct. 15 2015,11:36 am)

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The media has been working to sway voters for decades. It's crap. The democratic debates are an example.

Slate debate poll: Sanders 71% of the votes. Clinton 16%
< http://www.slate.com/article...ll.html >

Slate writer declares Clinton the "winner".
< http://www.slate.com/article...ut.html >

The group of people CNN had assembled for the debates had also chosen Sanders as the one they liked the best after the debate. And the polls:

CNN debate poll: Sanders 81% Clinton 13%.
< https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039 >

CNN writers declare clinton the big winner of the debate:
< http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-updates/ >

Time magazine poll of the democratic debate. Sanders 56% of the votes Hillary only got 11%:
< http://time.com/4071956...who-won >

Time magazine writers declare Hillary debate winner:
< http://time.com/4072784/democratic-debate-hillary-clinton-offense/ >

I don't think there's a single article in the other mainstream press that isn't calling Clinton the "big winner" of the debate. Because there's too damn many people who will only vote for the one they think has the best chance at winning, just so the other party won't get their guy in.

Stardust and Botto, so true on foreign policy. In my opinion we need our leaders to stop meddling and screwing with other countries. Hillary Clinton? yeesh. She was the only person on that stage who pushed for the Iraq war. Everyone else strongly opposed it.

My favorite quote from the debate was from Chafee

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“ Well, we just heard Senator Sanders say that it's the worst decision in American history. That's very significant, the worst decision in American history, I just heard from Senator Sanders.

So, as we look ahead, if you're going to make those poor judgment calls, a critical time in our history, we just finished with the Vietnam era, getting back into another quagmire -- if you're looking ahead, and you're looking at someone who made that poor decision in 2002 to go into Iraq when there was no real evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- I know because I did my homework, and, so, that's an indication of how someone will perform in the future. And that's what's important.”

Her "ooops, my bad" defense whenever it is brought up doesn't cut it either.

Stardust:

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Sheep love a herd. Media shepard the sheep on over-grazed pastureland.

Completely agree.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 15 2015,2:42 pm

I think the Lincoln Chaffee answer (or more accurately, excuse) "I had just gotten to the senate" was my favorite of the night though I had to clean up my soda I shot through my nose. :rofl:

If nothing else those of us on either side of the coin, who actually pay attention will be entertained for the next year.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 15 2015,6:00 pm

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Oct. 15 2015,2:26 pm)

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Her "ooops, my bad" defense whenever it is brought up doesn't cut it either.

How many people you know whine about "the media" but are hard-wired to it 24/7?

How many people you know give you the impression they think for themselves even though they may be expelled from the media herd?

How many local hicks believe Sanders won the debate?

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 15 2015,8:19 pm

Stardust:

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How many people you know whine about "the media" but are hard-wired to it 24/7?

Drives me NUTS. The worst part is that so many people only consider certain news outlets to be "credible".- No matter how many times they've been busted lying, fabricating, spinning or omitting. And not everyone will even agree on which sources are "credible" . Ugh, "liberal bias" "liberal rag" "conservative kook station". Honestly, all the big media outlets lie and spin on a regular basis. Silver lining in it though, since some people get most of their news from alternative sites which are not "credible" to either side, we have to go directly to government websites to get and distribute the information. A lot more information on other things is discovered that way.

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How many people you know give you the impression they think for themselves even though they may be expelled from the media herd?

There's repercussions for stepping out of line. We also keep slipping further down the list in the World Press Freedom Index. I think this year we're #49.

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How many local hicks believe Sanders won the debate?

Sadly, I'm going to say, not many.
Read comment sections in all the big national news sites below pretty much any political article. Or the facebook accounts for CNN, and the other big national news sites. A lot of people making comments in support of Sanders, but a lot of people making comments that Hillary's going to be the winner and repeating MSM talking points. And sooo many people making comments "Go Blue!" or "Team Blue!" Very irritating. So many people making comments that Hillary is by far the best for foreign policy. That Chafee quote has come in quite handy since the debate.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 15 2015,10:36 pm

Admittedly I spend little time chasing media stories or links. It's a jungle out there! One must be an optimist to venture forth.

I do learn a few things from feeds on FB. Like the mood and thinking of average Americans. From that it can be deduced why America is what it is. Some hopeful signs, others not so.

After watching the Obama administration fail to prosecute Wallstreet crooks I swore to never vote Dem again. If Hillary is candidate I will adhere to that oath. With Bernie I will break that oath.

I've never attended a primary caucus. Have you? If so, what's it like? If it were tonight I would atend.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 16 2015,9:06 am

(stardust14 @ Oct. 15 2015,10:36 pm)

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I've never attended a primary caucus. Have you? If so, what's it like? If it were tonight I would atend.

No, I haven't, but I'm going to this time.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 16 2015,1:47 pm

Love how Bernie's supporters vote in online polls from their couch and then use the same online poll as proof the media is in the tank for Clinton. Like I've said, it seems to me the more unstable the person the stronger they support Sanders.

I admittedly haven't paid any attention to Sanders based entirely on who supports him now. The truthers and other nutjobs will stay in their basement on their couches while Clinton's supporters work to get her elected, and no amount of online polls will change that.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 16 2015,2:16 pm

< http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion...27 >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 16 2015,2:56 pm

I guess the big question is, will Biden get in?

If he does, Bullsh!t's done, stick a fork in him.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 16 2015,4:10 pm

Clinton has been through two winning presidential elections, a New York senatorial race and a tough democratic primary, Bernie has been elected to the Senate from a state the size of Omaha.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 16 2015,4:37 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 16 2015,2:56 pm)

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I guess the big question is, will Biden get in?

If he does, Bullsh!t's done, stick a fork in him.

That window is being closed by the MSM who have already picked their champion. In particularly by each one of them saying Clinton has solidified herself by winning the debate earlier this week.

Really? I don't think she did much to hurt herself very bad during the debate, but the little I watched of it showed me that Bernie was on his game much better than her.

I felt he won that debate even without telling lies to the public.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 16 2015,6:01 pm

Seems to me, a better gauge of who "won" the debate, would be polls and the focus groups, not article writer opinion. Every poll and every focus group overwhelmingly chose Bernie Sanders.

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I don't think she did much to hurt herself very bad during the debate, but the little I watched of it showed me that Bernie was on his game much better than her.
I felt he won that debate even without telling lies to the public.

I agree.
Bernie Sanders has been going after Wall St and bankers for most of his career, trying to stop the theft and inevitable crash.
Another one of my favorite quotes from the debate:
Hillary

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“I basically said, ‘Cut it out! Quit foreclosing on homes! Quit engaging in these kinds of speculative behaviors!’

”

LOL, it's too funny.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 16 2015,11:44 pm

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Oct. 16 2015,6:01 pm)

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Another one of my favorite quotes from the debate:
Hillary

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“I basically said, ‘Cut it out! Quit foreclosing on homes! Quit engaging in these kinds of speculative behaviors!’

”

LOL, it's too funny.

Yeh, this statement was pathetic. As if she's scolding her spoiled children for breaking a window. But doing nothing as punishment. Hillary is the helicopter foster parent of Wallstreet. Their goals, tactics, successes, and failures are connected by blood and greed. Hope all the folks who lost their homes get payback on voting day.

It's no wonder then that voters are fleeing the Dems into Independant land. Years ago I took Hillary as something worthwhile. She's proved herself nothing more than another shill for finance. She and Bill are a match---fast talking swindlers.

A sweetheart of the liberals. But then what's a "liberal" nowdays? Suit & tie servants of finance sipping lattes. Investors & shareholders with protest signs in one hand and portfolio in the other.

It makes sense she is their sweetheart.

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 17 2015,12:30 am

F@xk.

(stardust14 @ Oct. 16 2015,11:44 pm)

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As if she's scolding her spoiled children for breaking a window. But doing nothing as punishment. Hillary is the helicopter foster parent of Wallstreet.

And

(stardust14 @ Oct. 16 2015,11:44 pm)

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A sweetheart of the liberals. But then what's a "liberal" nowdays? Suit & tie servants of finance sipping lattes. Investors & shareholders with protest signs in one hand and portfolio in the other.

It makes sense she is their sweetheart.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 17 2015,12:36 am

How is Hillary responsible for people losing their homes? I don't think Rush Limbaugh is crazy enough to say that.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 17 2015,2:38 am

Anyone elected into power positions who did little or nothing to avoid, end, or prosecute crimminal bankers are complicit in crimes. Bill Clinton had a chance to avoid the recession. He was warned by a woman whose job was investigating the SEC. Greenspan discredited her testimony in congress, testimony that suggested the brakes should be put on the economy. Billy Boy only thought of a current booming economy and his political legacy. He listened to Greenspan and the woman was humiliated and reassigned to some insignificant post. This is how the Clintons work.

Hillary served as US Senator of New York during a good number of those years preceding and during the recession. And all she could do was chide corrupt bankers like bad doggies? The bankers are the bad guys. Those in power who look the other way or fail to bring justice... are complicit, including the ameican public.

Posted by the breeze on Oct. 17 2015,8:00 am

Limbaugh: 'Winner of debate was ... Santa Claus'
Kathy Shaidle
“The big winner of this debate last night was Santa Claus.”

Rush Limbaugh wasn’t impressed by Hillary Clinton’s performance in the first Democratic debate. He said it was more like “an enablement”: “She had attacks. She just swatted ‘em away like a bunch of irritating flies. Except that’s not what happened. She didn’t face one challenge. She didn’t face anything remotely serious. So all of you people in the Drive-Bys clapping your hands and saying, ‘Wow, what a great performance! Man, Hillary’s back!’ (Free audio)”

In a surprise move, Clinton’s opponent Bernie Sanders said during the debate that the former Secretary of State’s “email scandal” wasn’t important. But Limbaugh said that Democratic donors “are really worried about this e-mail.”

Read more at < http://www.wnd.com/2015...dC2e.99 >

Posted by the breeze on Oct. 17 2015,8:03 am

DNC Debate Confirms: Hillary is a Woman
10/14/2015 / By shawn

You have to hand it to the DNC. They understand how to set the tone for an evening of Democratic nonsense. What better way to prepare viewers for two hours of socialist jabbering than a pre-recorded video from the chief socialist himself?

The president encouraged Democrats to work just as hard in 2016 as they did in 2008 and 2012. “If we do that, then I know that Democrats won’t just win the White House and Congress, and elections all the way down the ticket, we’ll keep building on the extraordinary progress we’ve made the past several years,” Obama concluded.

With everyone fired up about “extraordinary progress,” Sheryl Crow took the stage to sing a screechy rendition of the national anthem. Performance aside, though, Crow was a good choice. The woman who once sang, “If it makes you happy, then it can’t be that bad” is a perfect symbol for a party without ethics or morals.
- See more at: < http://totalconservative.com/dnc-deb...Ne.dpuf >

Posted by grassman on Oct. 17 2015,8:54 am

Have a nice day.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 17 2015,1:35 pm

Truthout. org is definitely a Left leaning group. The lead editor put out a rather scathing review of the Dems debate titled "CNN, the Democratic Candidates and a Condensation of Farce". Good article. It was one paragraph that really had the readers slipping into spastic fits.

"As far as the substance of the affair went ... whatever, man. I actually appreciate the GOP debates more now. Sure, they're crypto-fascist misogynistic Jesus-shouting brigands, but they don't try to hide it. It's actually refreshing to see them stand forth and be recognized, proudly. At least they're not lying, or being slippery. I like an enemy I can see."

So...the author prefers knowing his enemies. And detests endless attempts by allies to hood-wink his judgement and allegiance to them. He is worried about process, entertainment politics.

But the readers wouldn't have it---how could a Leftie attack the Dem debate? Heresy! Many readers missed the article's point completely. One photon of enlightening observation was too much. Other readers allowed their political cultism to kick in. It was perfect. Reader response proved many points the author made.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."—Samuel Langhorne Clemens

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 18 2015,7:16 am

It did sound like she was scolding spoiled children or bad doggies didn't it? In my opinion, it was the most pathetic, yet most hilarious statement of the night. I actually laughed out loud.

Grassman, you know I would be one of the first people to agree with your pic. And it's pretty much all I have been saying the whole time I've been on this forum. I've also been saying that the only way things will change is if millions of us are in the streets demanding change. Bernie says that same thing all the time, and has for years. I don't think a whole lot will change without it. Maybe he can inspire just that? Until that actually happens, this is what we have.

My favorite Sanders quote from the debate:

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I have a lot of respect for president Obama. I have worked with him time and time again on many, many issues. But here's where I do disagree. I believe that the power of corporate America, the power of Wall Street, the power of the drug companies, the power of the corporate media is so great that the only way we really transform America and do the things that the middle class and working class desperately need is through a political revolution when millions of people begin to come together and stand up and say: Our government is going to work for all of us, not just a handful of billionaires.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 18 2015,9:35 am

^^ "Bad doggies" :rofl:

With Chaffee giving feeble excuses, he did leave a turd on the carpet :rofl:

This idiot had no right to be on the stage :dunce:

Posted by grassman on Oct. 18 2015,10:28 pm

Your phone takes very clear pictures! :thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,4:09 am

^^actually it takes extremely clear photos, I recommend an app called context cam.

But I can't take credit for that one, it's just a web photo.

I think it came from something called Expat's Klassic Kollection

Posted by Expatriate on Oct. 19 2015,5:55 am

^^Such is life, I finally get my own troll and he's an idiot!

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 19 2015,8:13 am

^^ did you say something??? :dunce:

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 19 2015,7:51 pm

Poor Bernie might have had a chance but the kooks and conspiracy theorists support him and that will most likely get him about as far as Rand Paul made it.

< http://www.politifact.com/punditf...wing-be >

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 19 2015,10:21 pm

And then there's Hillary Clinton supporters:

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama.

< http://www.politifact.com/truth-o...t-check >

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 19 2015,11:41 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 19 2015,7:51 pm)

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That's the way it always is with new movements. Do you expect persons of well established credentials who are deeply engrained with deep interests in the status quo(power, money) to side with Bernie? Trump has a better chance of swaying fence-jumpers just for those reasons. Trump is only interested in style, not making real changes. And the fashion of the day is more appealing to confused voters than something as "radical" as real change.

Don't worry. Ninety percent of young Bernie supporters will be inevitably swallowed up by the current system, leaving progressives to watch things deteriorate even worse, waiting for new saplings to arise from the ashes.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,8:35 am

What new movement, the whiner movement? Are ya all going to carry signs that say life isn't fair? Or are you going to go with signs about 9-11, Sandy Hook , and the Federal reserve?

Sorry I'm sticking with the belief that you kooks will cause Bernie to fail just like the kooks killed Rand Paul's chances.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,9:19 am

Here's a poll where you kooks couldn't vote multiple time

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Great news for both Bernie and Hillary. This poll is obviously more reliable than the online ones we've seen, most of which do not even require user validation by SMS or email.

The MOE was +/- 3.6, and the survey was conducted via telephone. All respondents identified as Democrats.

Post DNC Debate Poll Results
Who Do You Think Won?
Clinton 62%
Sanders 30%
O' Malley 9%
Chafee 2%
Webb 1%
Do you have a more or less favorable opinion of Bernie after the debate?
More 64%
Less 17%
Same 19%

Do you have a more or less favorable opinion of Hillary after the debate?
More 73%
Less 16%
Same 11%

All Results:
< http://www.oann.com/ >

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,9:25 am

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A new poll suggests Hillary Clinton may have shored up her standing with Democratic voters after a well-received debate performance Tuesday.

Clinton, the former Secretary of State, led Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders by 37% to 35% in a Suffolk University survey of New Hampshire primary voters conducted Wednesday and Thursday. Twelve percent of respondents were undecided, and 11 percent said they’d back Vice President Joe Biden if he runs.

In addition, 54% of respondents said Clinton won the debate, while 24% said Sanders did.

Last month, most polls showed Sanders leading—one NBC survey found him ahead by 9 points.

RELATED: Who won the Democratic debate?

The question of who performed better in the debate has been a subject of heated online argument. Several instant online polls, which don’t claim to be representative samples of the electorate, gave Sanders the win, even as pundits almost universally called it for Clinton. In recent days, more reliable surveys have shown Clinton as the winner.

< http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc...ormance >

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 20 2015,9:49 am

You've already proven over and over on this forum that you have serious problems with reading comprehension. And I doubt that repeating it a second time will make it any more clear to you. But...

Seems to me, a better gauge of who "won" the debate, would be polls and the focus groups, not article writer opinion. Every poll and every focus group overwhelmingly chose Bernie Sanders.

20 minutes after the debate, CNN posted it's first article on it, declaring Clinton the "winner". Every online poll and every focus group, even CNN's own selected focus group, overwhelmingly chose Sanders. Therefore the ONLY "source" for declaring Clinton an actual winner, came from the opinion of the article writer.

Article writer, "I don't care what all the focus groups or anything else says, I'm declaring Clinton the winner based on my own opinion."

Oh yeah, that's right, you only consider the mainstream news biased and untrustworthy when it comes to Israel or the Iraq invasion.
Although now you probably don't even consider the old reporting biased on the Iraq invasion since you've done a complete 180 on that subject. While pretty much everyone who was in favor for it has also done a complete 180. Maybe you just like being in the minority, or maybe you just like to argue, even if it makes you look delusional.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,9:56 am

I have a reading comprehension problem? I post two polls conducted by phone so nobody is voting twice and both polls show pretty much the same thing, and your response is about article writers opinions not being valid?

Paranoid and stupid is no way to go through life.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 20 2015,10:09 am

(Liberal @ Oct. 20 2015,9:56 am)

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Yes, you have reading comprehension problems lol. Big time problems. Goodgod lol. You just keep proving it.

At the time that the articles were written. Right after the debate. What was available as far as sources for declaring "who won"? The online polls. Fine, scratch them, they aren't "scientific". Focus groups. Every focus group also chose Sanders. Don't mention them either, just use your own opinion on who won.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,10:41 am

The articles were written after the polling was done. It would be hard to write an article about a telephone poll if the poll hasn't been taken yet. :dunce:

The biggest problem Bernie has is that most of his supporters are nuts, or losers looking for more handouts. I can't even count how many times I've seen a Bernie supporter bring up the number of bank owned homes and compare it to the homeless numbers. These clowns actually think the banks should put homeless people in bank owned homes.

Why stop at homes? You nuts realize that on most car lots the new cars are owned by the banks, so why shouldn't we give the poor folk with no car a car from a car lot too?

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 20 2015,11:59 am

(Liberal @ Oct. 20 2015,10:41 am)

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Why stop at homes? You nuts realize that on most car lots the new cars are owned by the banks, so why shouldn't we give the poor folk with no car a car from a car lot too?

They did (partly) and called it "Cash for Clunkers." As far as homes, yea, right. How about all the loans given to people who couldn't afford the payback and people who didn't deserve a loan due to poor credit?

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,12:07 pm

What does cash for clunkers have to do with homeless people? You really got to lay off the weed. I didn't realize I could go into a car lot and tell them I didn't have a car and they handed me the keys to a car on the lot.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 20 2015,12:25 pm

Goodlord please seek help for your comprehension problems!!

Maybe you actually do it on purpose just trying to reduce discussion on certain things to pointless mindless mush.

The articles written the night of the debate declaring Clinton the winner, did NOT have your only "scientific" poll to use for validation of declaring her the winner.
That poll came out after the fact.
SO, the only source of information for declaring her said winner, was article writer opinion.

Damn lol.
You're so pointless.

And does this mean that only YOU can cite conservative sites when it suits YOU? Cuz I'm pretty sure you'll bust out the condescending remarks when others do it. Like with the Michelle Malkin comment towards SB. Just sayin.

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Robert Herring said he decided to launch One America News Network to give viewers a credible source of news and provide a platform for independent, libertarian, and conservative voices, which are too often ignored in today’s media, preventing healthy debates and a chance to find common ground.

“Fox News has done a commendable job serving the center-right and independent audiences, yet those who consider themselves liberal have a dozen or more choices on a typical cable programming lineup. We strongly believe it’s time for another platform offering healthy debates representing independent, Libertarian and conservative ideologies to have more programming options for the issues we care most about.”

< http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...es-debu >

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,12:48 pm

Who's talking about the night of the debate, I posted 2 articles written recently that pretty much proves the online polls were bogus.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 20 2015,2:46 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 20 2015,12:48 pm)

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Who's talking about the night of the debate, I posted 2 articles written recently that pretty much proves the online polls were bogus.

Goodlord, this all started between you and I because I pointed to the fact that all the mainstream news articles that came out immediately after the debate called Clinton the winner, and stated that since all the online polls and focus groups chose Sanders as the winner, the article writers used their own opinion in declaring Clinton the winner.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,3:55 pm

Well their opinion has been backed up by multiple scientific polls now. So I'd say the pundits were right and you morons manipulated the online polls then turned around and swore the mainstream media was in the bag for Clinton.

So I guess we can add this to your long list of crazy conspiracy theories. :dunce:

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 20 2015,7:40 pm

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Oct. 20 2015,12:25 pm)

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Maybe you actually do it on purpose just trying to reduce discussion on certain things to pointless mindless mush.

Keep reminding yourself of my signature line.

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Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal

Then don't let him get to you.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 20 2015,9:29 pm

I ridicule all conspiracy theorists equally, and I watched the debate 3 times and Hillary was the clear winner.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Oct. 20 2015,10:17 pm

(MADDOG @ Oct. 20 2015,7:40 pm)

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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Oct. 20 2015,12:25 pm)

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Maybe you actually do it on purpose just trying to reduce discussion on certain things to pointless mindless mush.

Keep reminding yourself of my signature line.

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Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal

Then don't let him get to you.

He lies, spins, flipflops and turns discussions into pointless mindless mush on a regular basis. I just have to keep in mind that everyone else on the forum is aware of that, and just try to ignore his pointlessness. As far as your signature line.. he's almost destroyed his forum by squashing any and every discussion he deems unworthy, he disrespects and ridicules every single person who doesn't happen to agree with his point of view. See how long the google checks keep coming when the last few participants on the forum decide to leave like the rest.

So Maddog, do you think the DNC will bow to pressure and add more debates? Or do you think they'll stick to their limited schedule?

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 20 2015,11:07 pm

Claiming anyone in any debate anywhere is the winner is opinion. Nothing else. Debates are not intended to have winners. So who is winning the debate over who won the debate? :rofl:

Media comes out on top once more.

Rule One on this forum: do not wander more than an arms length from the political fence or you become a nut, kook, or marginalized. Near that fence one is always in contact with the familiar, whether friend or foe. The backslapping and bickering is comforting for some. Letting go of the fence demands courage, imagination.

'Most people are conditioned to accept "majority rule" without a second thought. In doing so, they assume the majority is always right. Accordingly, they are resigned to accept whatever polling results prevail even if they may have personally chosen otherwise. This habit of thought is explained by the observation made by Jonathan Swift over three-hundred years ago that “some people have no better idea of determining right and wrong than by counting noses.” '

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 21 2015,7:19 am

As far as the kooks go, have you ever noticed no one responds to their mentally I'll ramblings? I'm usually the only one that responds and I'm intentionally nasty so that they will go away since we don't ban people. I've been considering shutting down the forum because it's starting to resemble the day room in a mental hospital.

Look through the topics and see how many people respond to Rosalind, Stardust, or any of the conspiracy theorists.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 21 2015,7:25 am

Didn't you ban Joe the Plumber?

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 21 2015,9:47 am

(stardust14 @ Oct. 20 2015,11:07 pm)

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Claiming anyone in any debate anywhere is the winner is opinion. Nothing else. Debates are not intended to have winners. So who is winning the debate over who won the debate? :rofl:

Gee, debate winners are only opinions. NOT ALLOWED! Nuts, kooks and mentally challenged. BERATED!

One by one disappearances. Most drove away by choice. Not even one hit wonders journey here. Majority rules is not the chosen path of many. Count the noses. It's easy.

Trouble with mice is you always kill 'em. ―John Steinbeck

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 21 2015,2:15 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 21 2015,7:19 am)

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Thanks for proving my point.

I'm wondering, then, what was the original intent of the forum? It appears to have either began as or evolved into a private boys club with bouncers at the door.

I was advised several weeks back that anyone is welcome to post, whether anyone responds or not. Fair enough. Expecting an open forum to closely resemble personal preferences seems unrealistic.

In my view the range of participants on the forum is fairly indicative of local sentiments. I enjoy the variety. As stated some are more comfortable within"gated" discussions. Unfortunate. And to expect us "mentally ill" to run with our tails between our legs at the first insults??

"The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does. They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted."

Aldous Huxley

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 21 2015,3:32 pm

(Self-Banished @ Oct. 21 2015,7:25 am)

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Didn't you ban Joe the Plumber?

Hope he isn't a friend of yours.

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 21 2015,4:39 pm

^^nope

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 21 2015,5:17 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 21 2015,7:19 am)

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So the former Military Policeman is now a self-admitted bully. What a shocker.

As far as I'm concerned, bullies (and Hope and Change bumper sticker folks) are flying waaaay closer to Crazy Land than I could ever dream of.

The most intelligent people I know question the Official Story from time to time. That's no badge of dishonour where I come from. It's the bleating sheep that swallow 100% of the tripe their chosen news outlet spews that annoy me. I may say some disparaging remarks about their ilk, even in some straw-man fashion, but that's one thing. Personal insults? They may make for good web traffic, but I hate myself a little bit when I'm down on that level. I read "you kooks" once, and the phrase tickled me funny bone, and I was off to the races.

My Bad. But I digress...

I've had my fill of bullies. I'm betting a lot of the people that will not respond to this post have too.

Just because you own the lifeboat, that doesn't give you the right to paddle in the opposite direction. We're invested in this, too. We might've devoted those years to some other forum, had we known how close-minded some people would become...

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled South Park episode...

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 21 2015,6:01 pm

Posted by Botto 82 on Oct. 21 2015,7:33 pm

^That soooo needs a 'like' button.

Posted by stardust14 on Oct. 21 2015,11:31 pm

(Botto 82 @ Oct. 21 2015,5:17 pm)

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As far as I'm concerned, bullies (and Hope and Change bumper sticker folks) are flying waaaay closer to Crazy Land than I could ever dream of.

I've had my fill of bullies. I'm betting a lot of the people that will not respond to this post have too.

Had it up to my neck also. Not runnng away scared, though.