Forum: Current Events
Topic: Albert Lea Tribune Requires Name-Phone to Comment
started by: alcitizens
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 27 2010,2:13 pm
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One of the biggest changes will be to require verifiable full names for users who wish to comment on stories. Customers wishing to register will find a link at the top left of the Tribune website. The link will lead them to make a username, submit their first and last name, as well as a phone number and e-mail. They will then be contacted by a Tribune staff member and given approval for commenting. < http://www.albertleatribune.com/news...tonight >
Their new requirements will likely eliminate any real meaningful dialogue. Boring! I sense a membership explosion at the Albert Lea Discussion Forum starting at around 5:00PM Today..
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 27 2010,3:40 pm
I know, right?!?!
I have been thinking about whether or not I will be re-signing up. According to the article, you can still remain somewhat anonymous to others with a handle, but the paper has to know who is who with the handle. I am just wondering how many people will be eagerly awaiting the phone call letting them know they can post on the Trib's site
Posted by GEOKARJO on Jul. 27 2010,3:45 pm
Well so much for freedoms and the rights of the people. It is ok to say it only if we approve your right to say it.
Posted by Bluehosta on Jul. 27 2010,4:28 pm
I think if I signed up I would get the name of who I talked to, their position, and then record them telling me that my true idenity will be kept secret. That is a contract, and you can sue them from breaking it.
Posted by Kid Rock on Jul. 27 2010,5:04 pm
The Tribune is really pulling a fast one. EH. OK , I'll play by the rules and if they want real names instead of screen names so be it. It will not keep me from speaking my " MIND. "
Any forum that gives a person the choice to be real or hide is up to the forum owner. Let's play by the rules and let the games begin.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 27 2010,7:09 pm
Oh for GODs sake, make up a phony name and a phony phone number. It is ok, really its ok to do.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 27 2010,7:17 pm
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They will then be contacted by a Tribune staff member and given approval for commenting.
Kind of tough to use a phony phone number, don't ya think?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 27 2010,7:25 pm
I didn't read it, didn't want to either, I as sure wouldn't give out my number, so I don't care one iota.
Gets pretty bad the trib caving into a bunch of cry babies.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 27 2010,8:05 pm
So much for meeting the 5pm deadline...site is still up and working as normal..including accepting my handle and keeping me anonymous. Gotta love politics.
Posted by Glad I Left on Jul. 27 2010,8:20 pm
The Mankato Free Press (equally as worthless as a newspaper) and their forums went to hell. They have like 4 people that post. Worse than a ghost town in there.
Posted by White Pride on Jul. 27 2010,8:30 pm
Just give them the number to the freeborn county courthouse, or credit bureau of albert lea.
Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 27 2010,8:51 pm
So I wonder what public figure complained enough about being criticized by anonymous people? Who would complain enough to make them make that policy?
I guess I figured that comments were different from letters to the editor because they didn't appear in the print edition of the paper. Next people will want a screening process for calls into Party Line, I suppose.
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 27 2010,10:28 pm
Pushing 1030pm and still no changes at ALTrib.
Posted by scary on Jul. 28 2010,12:10 am
(This is my real name @ Jul. 27 2010,8:51 pm)
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So I wonder what public figure complained enough about being criticized by anonymous people? Who would complain enough to make them make that policy?
I guess I figured that comments were different from letters to the editor because they didn't appear in the print edition of the paper. Next people will want a screening process for calls into Party Line, I suppose.
good point!
the fishwrap is a boone publication, correct me if i am wrong.
so is the austin fishwrap?
i would think that if some tech head at the home office changed things, they would change all the boone publications to be the same.
the new trib, (maybe i need to get used to it) is not an easy read'
just my point of view.
i wonder if they feared that the "bad boys" would come after them if they did not comply! (sorry for that, i was watching cops on 10.2 while posting this.)
Posted by scary on Jul. 28 2010,12:14 am
bad trib bad trid whatch ya gonna do when they threaten you
Posted by scary on Jul. 28 2010,12:50 am
(scary @ Jul. 28 2010,12:10 am)
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(This is my real name @ Jul. 27 2010,8:51 pm)
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So I wonder what public figure complained enough about being criticized by anonymous people? Who would complain enough to make them make that policy?
I guess I figured that comments were different from letters to the editor because they didn't appear in the print edition of the paper. Next people will want a screening process for calls into Party Line, I suppose.
good point!
the fishwrap is a boone publication, correct me if i am wrong.
so is the austin fishwrap?
i would think that if some tech head at the home office changed things, they would change all the boone publications to be the same.
the new trib, (maybe i need to get used to it) is not an easy read'
just my point of view.
i wonder if they feared that the "bad boys" would come after them if they did not comply! (sorry for that, i was watching cops on 10.2 while posting this.)
wow! i don't no what to say, when i posted that comment, i was on my "smart phone"(everything was different), now i am at home on my computer and the fishwrap site looks the same as it always has!
i will have another drink and get back to you.
maybe that is why hairhertz posted the comment at 10:28 that there was no change. (not the drinking but phone vs the cpu.)
Posted by scary on Jul. 28 2010,1:07 am
i am back. i went to the trib on my dumb phone, the format is different then when i am on my computer!
hopefully one of you cyber brains will try this and explain it to me.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 28 2010,1:22 am
(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 27 2010,7:25 pm)
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Gets pretty bad the trib caving into a bunch of cry babies.
Rush Limbaugh cry babies. Thats the Trib forum!!
Posted by gijoeman on Jul. 28 2010,5:39 am
^ERNIE!
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 28 2010,7:02 am
At a quick glance it appears that the Tribune has once again made a move to silence the people of this community who would speak out against what is wrong with this community. People who wish to voice their opinion but must hide their identity because of employment or fear of retribution to their business or homes. Just as when Chad, Jim, Shon and Mike went against the County to preserve the rights to free speech and just a when this forum was founded due to the Tribune website in 2003.
This reminds me of schools who once went into the libraries and chose which books were they believed were suitable for people to read and removed classics such as the Grapes of Wrath.
Once again the few selected or chosen ones have prevailed with the local paper. Once again people will be silenced.
Once again this forum will thrive more because of a denial of peoples rights.
Don't worry Tribune. There will be more repercussions.
Posted by gijoeman on Jul. 28 2010,8:11 am
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People who wish to voice their opinion but must hide their identity because of employment or fear of retribution to their business or homes.
Yes, I hear that as my home's been broken into. What about our forum members who continually accuse others of being real names. Isn't that far worse that what the papers ever done?
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 28 2010,8:27 am
Who/what has received sufficient criticism in the ALTrib reader responses that could "influence" a change in policy? The Chamber of Commerce? Tuttle? Harig???
Posted by Kid Rock on Jul. 28 2010,10:00 am
(MADDOG @ Jul. 28 2010,7:02 am)
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Once again the few selected or chosen ones have prevailed with the local paper. Once again people will be silenced.
Once again this forum will thrive more because of a denial of peoples rights.
This forum also operates this way but not at the low of the Tribune site.
There has been Moderators that have edited posters wording. Mod's have deleted posters that have posted facts that are true. Mods have even deleted truth that was posted about themselfs.
My question is ; if Mr. Chad Hayson was elected County Commisiner and the public and posters on here were to ride his coat tails every time he made a questionable move in the publics eye , would Mr. Hayson and the Mods screen the info? Now I'm not saying MR. Hayson wouldn't do a good job as Commisioner. I will vote for the person I feel will do the best job. Mr. Hayson or not.
I know in the past that there has been court records and public records that have been posted on this site about others , but then when court public records were posted on here about Moderator MADDOG that info and poster was deleted?
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 28 2010,11:00 am
There are very few rules to this forum. Sometimes wording is changed or deleted because it is too explicit.
If you're uncertain, go back and read the rules.
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Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 28 2010,11:05 am
Scary, As per the website (newly designed and all), it operates at full potetntial for FireFox, Chrome, Safari, and Internet Explorer. I have the OPPOSITE problem as you, since on my cell I run Starfire (a cool browser app for Windows Mobile without the headache of Windows). On the cell, the Trib looks normal. On the home comp, it looks new and refreshed. Of course, one of the ariticles on there are from Mark Harig and about how he is the best. I looked at about 5 different stories, and only ONE had a new post on it..and suprise suprise, it was the first and last name...with a pic. My question will be, are the people going to be required to have their personal pic, or could they go with a more incognito option (provided that the user name will actually be what is displayed, and not the actual name)? I am with about 95% of you guys...expect a gradual, yet sudden increase shortly..
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 28 2010,11:13 am
(MADDOG @ Jul. 28 2010,11:00 am)
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There are very few rules to this forum. Sometimes wording is changed or deleted because it is too explicit.
If you're uncertain, go back and read the rules.
Posted by Blackdog on Jul. 28 2010,11:28 am
OH MY GOD!!
You all seriously need to get a life if this seems to be all you are worried about. Go get a hobbie
What boring lives you must have
Rock out!
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 28 2010,11:40 am
(Kid Rock @ Jul. 28 2010,10:00 am)
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There has been Moderators that have edited posters wording. Mod's have deleted posters that have posted facts that are true. Mods have even deleted truth that was posted about themselfs.
I know in the past that there has been court records and public records that have been posted on this site about others , but then when court public records were posted on here about Moderator MADDOG that info and poster was deleted?
There's only been one word edited in the last couple weeks, and that was by me because it was too sexually explicit. We let people say damn near whatever they want on here, even about us. The forum is pretty open, but we'll never make everyone happy. We're either upsetting people because we don't edit & delete enough, or that we do too much.
As for court records, you're mistaken, myself and others have removed plenty of records about private individuals on here. It's not just if it's "one of us" like you're thinking. There's a few other people in town I don't even know who I removed court records about and warned the poster. It hasn't been a problem for quite a while though.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 28 2010,1:47 pm
(Kid Rock @ Jul. 28 2010,10:00 am)
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I know in the past that there has been court records and public records that have been posted on this site
Can you smell Joe The Plumber in the house? He has a very distinct smell.
This is the best forum I've ever been to. You can post pictures, embed video, moderator's are cool since JimHanson disappeared. Just don't take everything so seriously around here, like I do..
Posted by Robert Hoffman on Jul. 28 2010,2:18 pm
This is awesome on the Tribunes part!
No body is limited to what they can say at all...
...you just have to stop being cowards and stand behind what you say by using your name.
Few of you did anything positive for any of their forums anyway-you won't be missed.
The Trib had a good party going on (their forum) and a few jerks showed up (anonymus posters) and ruined it for everyone. So now it's an invite only party.
(...but it's easy to get on the list!)
See ya there!
-ROBERT HOFFMAN
PS
Its funny how much of a deal has been made of this already...there much larger issues that need to be corrected that we should be putting our combined efforts into.
Take care all. -Hoffer
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 28 2010,2:31 pm
Quite all right. I can call you a pea brain here.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 28 2010,4:44 pm
(Robert Hoffman @ Jul. 28 2010,2:18 pm)
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This is awesome on the Tribunes part!
No body is limited to what they can say at all...
...you just have to stop being cowards and stand behind what you say by using your name.
Few of you did anything positive for any of their forums anyway-you won't be missed.
The Trib had a good party going on (their forum) and a few jerks showed up (anonymus posters) and ruined it for everyone. So now it's an invite only party.
(...but it's easy to get on the list!)
See ya there!
-ROBERT HOFFMAN
PS
Its funny how much of a deal has been made of this already...there much larger issues that need to be corrected that we should be putting our combined efforts into.
Take care all. -Hoffer
I don't think I ruined it for anybody over there. In fact, I acted very similarly over there as I do here
In all honesty, I am who I am, and that is who I am. Any questions, just ask..there IS a PM mode here (as there was on the Trib). Aside from that, JimHanson said it best over on the Trib...the anonymity gave some of us leeway to speak our mind without fear of retribution. That fact alone is why I am STILL considering whether or not to renew my online account via Trib.
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 28 2010,5:19 pm
CH, I agree. One point in the editor's story was that some ALTrib posters were jealous of the girls who were valedictorians by complaining about some extra exposed skin. Yup, that'd be me, a mid60s old guys. We were too negative, blah, blah. I really think that some posters were right on the money about the crap that happens in AL and that got the Trib fearing a drop in revenue.
Oh, well, it's their paper. They can do as they want. I guess I will lay in the weeds and watch how things develop.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 28 2010,5:25 pm
I'm just wondering how those of us who had issues with the pic were jealous??? They were valid concerns...but like you, guess that is my opinion. lol!
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 28 2010,5:29 pm
My comment was that as a dad of teen girls, I'd be unhappy with the shot. Hardly jealous
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 28 2010,5:30 pm
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that got the Trib fearing a drop in revenue.
Yep, doesn't online advertising costs usually have something to do with pages viewed? I'd say that will go down. I know I've only been there a couple of times today. Usually, I'm there a dozen or more times just to read all the comments. I did find one comment there though.
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Dan Dorman July 28, 2010 at 5:00 pm I support the decision and agree with the editorial.
I believe the change will improve the discussion.
Jim, I disagree that anonymous posting, or for that matter, signed posting, is a good way to “get a true feeling of what the public thinks”. There are too few people who post to really gauge public opinion. Plus there are other sites that offer anonymous posts.
Like you I have heard the fear of reprisal line. I don’t buy it however, anonymous posting allows people to make personal attacks without being accountable.
I think more and more newspapers are going to make similar changes. Those that don’t will find it harder to find people who are willing to respond to reporters questions because of the comment section.
I think dissension is valued today as it was in the early days of the Republic. My history must be a little fuzzy however, I don’t recall the signers of the Declaration of Independence using screen names. SMILE>>>>
I'll bet he's happier for different reasons. Dan can come here and get his medicine if he's not afraid. He knows who I am.
Wait a minute. He left...
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 28 2010,5:36 pm
Hair...my concern was/is coming from one who WAS a teen, and the knowledge that Albert Lea has two Level 3 wackos. Also, as a mom of two girls who will be teens in the next 5-7 years. Oh..and of two boys who will also be teens in the next 9-12 years. Granted, life might be different then, as would the dress style, but if they ever had to do research on something happening Now in the future, well..I wouldn't want to be the one having to answer why the girls were dressed the way they were and why.
Posted by jazzy jeff on Jul. 28 2010,5:57 pm
Boone Publishing. Where they headquartered?? Not Minnesota. It easy to run a business when yer sitting on yer duff clear across the country. Whatever.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 28 2010,6:12 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 28 2010,5:30 pm)
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that got the Trib fearing a drop in revenue.
Yep, doesn't online advertising costs usually have something to do with pages viewed? I'd say that will go down. I know I've only been there a couple of times today. Usually, I'm there a dozen or more times just to read all the comments. I did find one comment there though.
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Dan Dorman July 28, 2010 at 5:00 pm I support the decision and agree with the editorial.
I believe the change will improve the discussion.
Jim, I disagree that anonymous posting, or for that matter, signed posting, is a good way to “get a true feeling of what the public thinks”. There are too few people who post to really gauge public opinion. Plus there are other sites that offer anonymous posts.
Like you I have heard the fear of reprisal line. I don’t buy it however, anonymous posting allows people to make personal attacks without being accountable.
I think more and more newspapers are going to make similar changes. Those that don’t will find it harder to find people who are willing to respond to reporters questions because of the comment section.
I think dissension is valued today as it was in the early days of the Republic. My history must be a little fuzzy however, I don’t recall the signers of the Declaration of Independence using screen names. SMILE>>>>
I'll bet he's happier for different reasons. Dan can come here and get his medicine if he's not afraid. He knows who I am.
Wait a minute. He left...
Dan Dorman prefers that everyone is kept in the dark.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 28 2010,6:22 pm
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George Gillespie July 28, 2010 at 6:09 pm When you know who is complaining you can deal with it. Since I have never hid behind a user name and made my identity known, I have many people grace my doors steps from Ron Gabrielson, calling me ever name under the sun which I caught on tape. Your man discussing his dissatisfaction with my views which is also on tape. County commissioners and city counselors have graced my doors to discuss my views. True feelings. No one will be posting anything closeif they do they are inviting retribution and conflictcause those in places of authority believe they are above everyone else and can muscle their agendas.
Another comment at the Trib. GEOKARJO
I would consider it a form of censorship, made possible by our one and only Local Newspaper.
Posted by scary on Jul. 28 2010,7:24 pm
(alcitizens @ Jul. 28 2010,6:22 pm)
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George Gillespie July 28, 2010 at 6:09 pm When you know who is complaining you can deal with it. Since I have never hid behind a user name and made my identity known, I have many people grace my doors steps from Ron Gabrielson, calling me ever name under the sun which I caught on tape. Your man discussing his dissatisfaction with my views which is also on tape. County commissioners and city counselors have graced my doors to discuss my views. True feelings. No one will be posting anything closeif they do they are inviting retribution and conflictcause those in places of authority believe they are above everyone else and can muscle their agendas.
Another comment at the Trib. GEOKARJO
I would consider it a form of censorship, made possible by our one and only Local Newspaper.
is the ron g. cussing geo out available on a thread here?
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 28 2010,10:37 pm
Kid rock best watch what he posts or he will banned again. Do I need to call Nolander?
Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 29 2010,5:26 am
(jazzy jeff @ Jul. 28 2010,5:57 pm)
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Boone Publishing. Where they headquartered??
Selma, Alabama, I believe.
Posted by Kid Rock on Jul. 29 2010,8:22 am
Liberal Quote ; Kid rock best watch what he posts or he will banned again. Do I need to call Nolander?
Nolander for Sheriff.
Next time you see him , ask him if he knows anymore VIAGRA Jokes.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 29 2010,11:06 am
(Liberal @ Jul. 28 2010,10:37 pm)
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Kid rock best watch what he posts or he will banned again. Do I need to call Nolander?
Posted by jimhanson on Jul. 29 2010,3:44 pm
My response at the Tribune to todays editorial.
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“3. Making the albertleatribune.com site one of the most successful websites in southern Minnesota: We are seeing over 10,000 unique visitors daily, and a 41 percent increase in web traffic over the last two years”.
Would you care to take a bet whether that will continue on the “new and improved” site?
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“As we develop anything new, it is you the customer that is first in mind and so letting us know both the good and the bad of what you are experiencing is what we need”
That sounds suspiciously like “We live in the greatest nation in the world. Vote for me and help me change it.”
You had a site that garnered a huge number of hits–and UNIQUE hits at that–and you decided to “improve” it?
Dylan Belden, former Tribune Editor, also decided that he was going to “improve” the website (second-largest in Minnesota) by requiring signatures. The results?
Tribune Website pulled.
Belden fired.
AlbertLea.com established as a successful alternative.
“Those that do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.”–Santayana
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 29 2010,5:30 pm
Belden and Engstrom. Hmm? One's got a sock puppet and the other has a...?
Remember this one? < Dylan Belden, editor for how long? > Few of us are still around form the old trib website. This shows what the power of the people have. The bigger difference is this forum is already here.
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“3. Making the albertleatribune.com site one of the most successful websites in southern Minnesota: We are seeing over 10,000 unique visitors daily, and a 41 percent increase in web traffic over the last two years”.
I know I've clicked on far, far fewer trib pages in the last two days. I'm sure they sell their online ads based on pages viewed.
Posted by This is my real name on Jul. 29 2010,6:15 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 29 2010,5:30 pm)
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Belden and Engstrom. Hmm? One's got a sock puppet and the other has a...?
Remember this one? < Dylan Belden, editor for how long? > Few of us are still around form the old trib website. This shows what the power of the people have. The bigger difference is this forum is already here.
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“3. Making the albertleatribune.com site one of the most successful websites in southern Minnesota: We are seeing over 10,000 unique visitors daily, and a 41 percent increase in web traffic over the last two years”.
I know I've clicked on far, far fewer trib pages in the last two days. I'm sure they sell their online ads based on pages viewed.
Wow, talk about a blast from the past.
I have registered at the new site, and posted only once. I'm not sure how much I will comment there anymore. I was thinking about trying to break the habit of doing that anyway, so maybe now would be a good time.
Some of the articles take a really long time to load - I know it's new software and they have to work out the kinks, but didn't they test it out before they launched it?
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 29 2010,7:14 pm
It's nice to see the face with a name. All this time I thought Jeshua was a girly from all the posts on certain topics. Turns out I was wrong?
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 29 2010,9:30 pm
I don't plan to include the Tribune headlines on the front page any longer since they don't need the traffic, and because the publisher is always insulting this site when he pretends to be a writer once a week.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 29 2010,9:34 pm
No doubt that would be a contributing factor to any traffic that they have. The few times I have visited there was because of your headlines on your site.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 29 2010,9:36 pm
They sound pretty puffed up and rather full of it in their claims. IMO
For one thing those numbers and claims could stand some sort of perspective attached to them.
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 29 2010,9:53 pm
Dorman's comment was a riot considering the number of sock puppets he has had on this forum.
I'm guessing the poll upset him.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 29 2010,10:06 pm
Yes he doesn't like the cameras or any print media unless it's the kind that he gets to control.
For all the claims about grandstanding he made in the e-mail to you, he has managed to manipulate the those same cameras and media to his advantage.
Cameras are bad unless it's me and my cohorts spreading our propaganda. lol
That's basically the message I got from those remarks he made, and by witnessing the constant campaigning that he engages in.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 29 2010,10:09 pm
You have to consider who the Tribune and people like him are beholden to.
It certainly isn't the general public. IMO
Posted by busybee on Jul. 29 2010,11:27 pm
I've never considered being a member of the Tribune Website.
It doesn't matter to me what their policy was or is now...NOTHING COMPARES to this discussion forum!
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 30 2010,12:08 am
Posting comments has "zoomed" to a snail's pace at the newly improved ALTrib site.
Posted by busybee on Jul. 30 2010,12:17 am
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 30 2010,12:39 am
Everything is just peaches and cream at the Trib. Forum This is a comment by Johnson, about Turvold..
Looks like Harig is starting his LIAR WARFARE again.
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Marc Johnson July 29, 2010 at 5:49 pm Hi my name is Marc Johnson, I have never written on any of these sites before and this is the only reply I’m going to make. But a jailer called me a liar and I felt Jailer Darrel Turvold had better check his facts again before you call someone a liar.
After hearing about what you had written, I went and spoke to Ron Hunter at the radio station. He told me you called and you asked him what we (the candidates) had said on the radio. He told me his reply to you was: “he could not remember what any of the candidates had said about the ICE contract, “but to come down and listen to the recording yourself.”
I did listen to the recording with him and had heard nothing from my words saying I was against the ICE contract, the same information conversation I had with others and you the other day at a Union Meeting is the same as I wrote in the paper. This ICE contract is brought up for political purposes and either you are naive or working on the Sheriff’s campaign. As a recent hire, I hope your not being forced to spread false rumors against someone that isn’t loyal to one person.
On the radio, I did say I had concerns about the food the jail is serving and had discussed this with the jailers after my comments on the radio. I also brought up concerns about the information I had heard on the national news concerning the ICE detention centers going to a non-jail setting. I did not go into detail, as I was a bit nervous at that time. I will tell you now that having our jail turned into a non-secure housing for illegal immigrants where they will not be searched or changed into different clothing and be allowed to have physical contact and guests in the jail, who will also not be searched, is a concern I have for the jail staffs safety, which would be your safety.
I am NOT against the ICE contract at this time. I would like to have others listen to the recording and help to the stop these lies.
Marc Johnson Candidate for Sheriff
This is what happens when you have to reveal your real name. ATTACKS that can harm your reputation and even possibly your career. I only give so much credence to comments made anonymously and much more when they use their real name, except JimHanson.
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 30 2010,1:57 am
wow, the fight is on...
Posted by twingroves on Jul. 30 2010,6:41 am
looks like the ones that like the new site are the ones that where geting beat up on the old one
Posted by Montyman on Jul. 30 2010,2:16 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 28 2010,2:31 pm)
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Quite all right. I can call you a pea brain here.
Wow! Pea brain? Quite an intelligent response. I read this forum for fun. How can anyone that posts on here assume that this is serious stuff that is being discussed? Or that anyone outside of the clique on here really cares what anyone posts or thinks? I await being ignored, called names, or threatened as I have been in the past. I thought this forum had changed. M
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 30 2010,2:27 pm
(Montyman @ Jul. 30 2010,2:16 pm)
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I read this forum for fun. How can anyone that posts on here assume that this is serious stuff that is being discussed? Or that anyone outside of the clique on here really cares what anyone posts or thinks?
Some have a sense of humor and some don't. Do you always talk seriously to your friends?
Much fact is offered here at the Discussion Forum, some is just loose conversation.
Relax and Enjoy!
A
Posted by scary on Jul. 30 2010,2:31 pm
(alcitizens @ Jul. 30 2010,2:27 pm)
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(Montyman @ Jul. 30 2010,2:16 pm)
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I read this forum for fun. How can anyone that posts on here assume that this is serious stuff that is being discussed? Or that anyone outside of the clique on here really cares what anyone posts or thinks?
Some have a sense of humor and some don't. Do you always talk seriously to your friends?
Much fact is offered here at the Discussion Forum, some is just loose conversation.
Relax and Enjoy!
A
I agree, relax and enjoy!
S.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 30 2010,3:20 pm
Maybe the Emoticons don't show up on Monty's computer?
Posted by gijoeman on Jul. 30 2010,4:11 pm
This forum is filled with a whole lot of a$$holes, it ain't rocket surgery.
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 30 2010,4:47 pm
(gijoeman @ Jul. 30 2010,4:11 pm)
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This forum is filled with a whole lot of a$$holes, it ain't rocket surgery.
Are you the King A*shole?
Posted by Scott Schmeltzer on Jul. 30 2010,5:29 pm
Chad Hayson-I don't plan to include the Tribune headlines on the front page any longer since they don't need the traffic, and because the publisher is always insulting this site when he pretends to be a writer once a week. Chad-I challenege you to prove where I have ever said anything in my column about you or your forum.I have always been more than nice to you when you have come to my office and also when we have conversed on the phone. I am disappointed that you would lie about that on your forum. I am also disapointed that you would not continue to post our front page news to your readers as you have always stated that you only want a living area where your parents can live without high taxes and your children could have jobs if they wanted to. I thought that was noble, but now you seemed to have strayed.
Scott Schmeltzer
Scott Schmeltzer
Posted by gijoeman on Jul. 30 2010,5:44 pm
Hmmm...interesting. I'd offer a reciprocal agreement whereby I'll post yours if you post mine, referring to links on site.
How about a link to this forum from the Tribune. This IS a two way street right?
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 30 2010,11:45 pm
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Scott Schmeltzer
Good one Willey B... Now you're trying to take on others identity. I don't respect that and it only degrades the respect of this site. Knock it off!!
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 31 2010,11:51 am
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Chad-I challenege you to prove where I have ever said anything in my column about you or your forum.
Seriously? You just want an example of a time you "said anything" about the forum?
When was the last time the Tribune had something positive to say about this site that wasn't a backhanded compliment?
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I am also disapointed that you would not continue to post our front page news to your readers as you have always stated that you only want a living area where your parents can live without high taxes and your children could have jobs if they wanted to. I thought that was noble, but now you seemed to have strayed.
Do you honestly believe your headlines being posted here would have an effect on my kids getting good paying jobs after college, or decrease my parents tax burden?
You think I strayed? How long did it take you to get on the Chamber's board? What's noble about that? Whether you like it or not most people I talk to think that the Tribune is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Chamber these days, and you being on the Chamber board just reinforces that.
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I have always been more than nice to you when you have come to my office and also when we have conversed on the phone.
And I've been more than nice to you when we talk, but then you turn around and have the Tribune insult this site, and the posters here, every chance they get. And even if you didn't write the insults, you're responsible for what's in the paper, as you've mentioned many times in the past.
On another note, you caving on the comments section will end with a serious decrease in web traffic, which is good for me, but it's certainly not good for the community. There are a lot of people like me that just scrolls through the story and reads the comments to see how people feel about things. The bunch of ass kissers you have posting there now may be good for your ego, but it's not good for the rest of the community. Somewhere along the line it seems that you've all forgotten that it's unpopular speech that needs protecting.
What happened to the Tribune's position that dialogue is a sign of a vibrant community?
Posted by bianca on Jul. 31 2010,12:27 pm
^Exactly Chad!!
Scott you absolutely cannot have an unbiased paper while being a Chamber member.
It was soooooo obvious when after my letter to the editor on Ellen Kehr, you had the Tribune do another piece defending her hat was completely biased. Why no mention of the $7500.00 that the Chamber got as a grant if there is nothing controversial with her position(s)? In that story she gave examples of grants totalling appx. 2300.00 yet the headlines said 30,000.00 in grants had been given out and there was 160,000.00 yet to go. Wouldn't a good reporter REPORT WHERE THE REST OF THE MONEY WENT?![/b] Rather than turning a blind eye to it?
I mean why not do a story where you asked people how they feel about this or even giving me a guest spot to point out the wrongs?
[b]IMO, the only reason you did that is because you ARE a member of the chamber and as Chad said, you are/were showing some serious ass kissing, which my friend, is not reporting.
Ellen Kehr should have defended herself in a letter to the editor, not a story based off of my letter, not a story where only half-truth's were given!Shame on you!!
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 31 2010,12:27 pm
sick 'em, lib & lib sister
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 31 2010,2:05 pm
Just a random thought that you all may have already figured...Austin's paper still allows for anonymous nicknames...
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2010,2:36 pm
I haven't tried to re-register but the registration form looks the same as the tribune. MADDOG is no longer a valid user name over there and I posted just a week ago. When I go into their archives, it doesn't show any posts on any story.
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 31 2010,2:39 pm
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When I go into their archives, it doesn't show any posts on any story.
Sort of tells you what they think of the people that took the time to offer their opinion on those subjects.
Posted by jimhanson on Jul. 31 2010,3:08 pm
I see that the hit counter had a new high for most online today. Coincidence?
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2010,3:20 pm
Seven new members just since Thursday.
Hey Scott.
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 31 2010,3:23 pm
(ControlledHyperness @ Jul. 31 2010,2:05 pm)
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Just a random thought that you all may have already figured...Austin's paper still allows for anonymous nicknames...
It would not let me in today. Do I have to re-register?
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2010,3:39 pm
scmeltzer made a comment on their site today.
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To all on this thread, thank you. Our challenge now is to have more people take the chance that you all have and use their names to spark debate. I really believe that it will be better and with time we will see. I will challenge local political business leaders to come on here and voice there opinions on all topics covered by the Albert Lea Tribune. I really hope many do as this tool, as the internet itself is a device that can be both good and bad. I hope it becomes a tool of communication that will help all in both shining the good light of progress about our community as well as help uncover half truths and innuendo. Can you imagine if we can save the time that rumors take from us and put that same time into something progressive and good. We will then have a forum that all can be proud of.
Thanks again
Doesn't that pissant know he already had them commenting? Now he thinks he needs to know who they are?
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2010,3:42 pm
Can I say that?
Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 31 2010,4:00 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 31 2010,3:42 pm)
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Can I say that?
Nope, too mild
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Jul. 31 2010,4:00 pm
I think I missed something...who were you quoting and from where?
Sources MD...LOL
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 31 2010,4:10 pm
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I really hope many do as this tool...
"Tool" was a good choice of words.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 31 2010,6:10 pm
(ControlledHyperness @ Jul. 31 2010,4:00 pm)
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I think I missed something...who were you quoting and from where?
Sources MD...LOL
On Schmeltzer's new communication < tool. >
There will always be someone to control the press.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 31 2010,10:30 pm
The Tribune wants to find out who was posting on their old forum. I bet they can match people's IP Address to their real name as they sign up, and then look back to see what posts they had made while they were anonymous.. Just a Theory!
Example: ERNIE GANN = jim hanson
Can anyone confirm or deny my theory??
Posted by Scott Schmeltzer on Aug. 01 2010,8:21 am
Chad-"Tool" was a good choice of words.
Chad-"How long did it take you to get on the Chamber's board? What's noble about that? Whether you like it or not most people I talk to think that the Tribune is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Chamber these days, and you being on the Chamber board just reinforces that."
Chad,
Calling me a tool, really? Are we now twelve years old. Sad. As for the Chamber, you may want to broaden your circle of friends to more than Maddog as the Tribune is not a mouthpiece for the chamber. As far as me being on the board, I choose to be on the board to try and take part in our community so that I can see first hand how things go on. I am a believer in change and when you have a community newspaper, you need to be a part of the community. As far as my role on the board, please ask anyone who is on the board that I more than speak my opinions on what is taking place as all the board memebers do. I do not always agree at board meetings, but that is how it is suppose to work. A group of community minded people that use discussion to drive change.I would love to bring you to a meeting to see.
Chad-"but then you turn around and have the Tribune insult this site, and the posters here, every chance they get."
Again, I do not see any proof.
Chad-"The bunch of ass kissers you have posting there now may be good for your ego, but it's not good for the rest of the community."
Why would you just call people that? Oh, I know, That is what you do to people that disagree with you! I forgot. As far as my ego, again if you knew me you would know that is the last thing on my mind. Why can't people just agree to disagree. As far as what is good for the community, my ego is not big enough to tell you what is good for it or not but I will keep working hard on different boards and through volunteering to try and guage the pulse of our community. Again I invite you to come with me to volunteer or to an event that may help someone else.
Thanks again for your time.
Scott Schmeltzer
P.S.-Maddog-calling me a pissant. again really? Please broaden your word knowledge. I suggest Reader's Digest "word power".
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 01 2010,8:39 am
Hey Scott. Did you know the the ALMC has made ZERO MISTAKES!
Were you aware of that? Well, of course you are seeing as how you had an operation there. Nice unbiased reporting Scott...not. With that kind of reporting you are not useful to the community. That kind of reporting hurts the community.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 01 2010,9:00 am
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As far as my role on the board, please ask anyone who is on the board that I more than speak my opinions on what is taking place as all the board memebers do.
Then I would have expected an editorial about the Kerr hiring, unless you agree with the cronyism. Maybe even give your first thumbs down to an animate object.
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Why would you just call people that? Oh, I know, That is what you do to people that disagree with you! I forgot.
I'm pretty sure you weren't complimenting me when you said I had strayed from being noble because I didn't put your headlines on my site. Also the people that are left commenting didn't disagree with me, so I couldn't hardly call them a name for disagreeing with me, could I?.
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Are we now twelve years old. Sad. As for the Chamber, you may want to broaden your circle of friends to more than Maddog as the Tribune is not a mouthpiece for the chamber.
I've got a pretty big circle of friends, but if you don't believe me about what people say, ask around. (I'd suggest that you don't ask the people that are left commenting on the Tribune site though.)
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P.S.-Maddog-calling me a pissant. again really? Please broaden your word knowledge. I suggest Reader's Digest "word power".
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Chad,
Calling me a tool, really? Are we now twelve years old. Sad.
I actually I didn't call you a tool, I just remarked that you had made a good choice by using that word in your article. Apparently I struck a nerve with that "compliment".
Personally, I'd rather see a person use the word pissant then to use the sophomoric expressions "really?", and "Sad."
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 01 2010,9:26 am
How are your counts under the new and super improved format at the ALTrib? It has been really busy over here with anonymous readers apparently checking in to catch the latest news not available at the ALTrib.
Posted by Scott Schmeltzer on Aug. 01 2010,9:27 am
Chad-This is about what I expected. Please keep on taking quotes out of context, calling people names, and being twelve. I remember being twelve because it was fun using words like pissant, tool, and giggling whenever someone said booby or poop, but at some point you need to grow up. Thanks for proving once again, why I don't comment here much. If you ever want to have an adult conversation, feel free to stop down to the Tribune.
G.I. Joeman-I did have knee surgery there and if you would understand the difference between my column-things I choose to report about and comment on-and an editorial or a newspaper report, you might understand the word unbiased and reporting, But also I invite you down to the Tribune as well and I can give you a tour and explain how and why things are done.
Again thanks for your time and please continue to rip on me as at least you are leaving someone else alone.
Scott Schmeltzer
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 01 2010,9:52 am
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Thanks for proving once again, why I don't comment here much. If you ever want to have an adult conversation, feel free to stop down to the Tribune.
Feel free to comment here anytime. If you're worried about repercussions from the local big fish that live in this little pond, you can even offer your opinions under a different name. That's because here it's about the opinion, or the idea, and it's not about who you are.
I might put your headlines on in the future because we both know it benefits us, but I have to write some code to do it, and it's really hard to get motivated after you apparently once again mass deleted people's comments. Do you just not understand that some of those comments were the result of a lot of work, and that when we look back those comments will be as relevant as the story was? The story tells us what happened, the comments tell us how people felt about what happened.
Posted by Robert Hoffman on Aug. 01 2010,10:28 am
(Liberal @ Aug. 01 2010,9:52 am)
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I might put your headlines on in the future because we both know it benefits us, but I have to write some code to do it, and it's really hard to get motivated after you apparently once again mass deleted people's comments. Do you just not understand that some of those comments were the result of a lot of work, and that when we look back those comments will be as relevant as the story was? The story tells us what happened, the comments tell us how people felt about what happened.
I'm just one guy BUT am on each side of this; I use MY REAL NAME and say what ever I want, on each site-so I have an interest in this as a whole.
I like the Trib link from AL.com-it's why I start out at AL.com before jumping over to the Trib's site.
I think Chad's got a good thing going here and is doing a hell of a job managing the site. A great job. I also think he's got what it takes to be a good County Commissioner.
The Trib link on AL.com is easier to see what's on the Trib site than going to the Trib site itself at first. So it really does benefit everyone.
There is the professional element missing on AL.com that the Trib has taken control of and is running with now. AL.com's validity on anything said here is at a less than zero now simply because of all the nastiness. There could have been a lot of resourcefulness, respect, validity & money generated on AL.com but the Trib will see all of that now because of the lack of professionalism anonymity allows. It be easy to say If given the choice I'd let go of AL.com and just use the Trib site-but it's nice we've got each at our finger tips.
Take care guys. You're doing great jobs each. You know I'm all over each site flying my flag (and using my REAL NAME!)
...I still just don't know why you cant use your name to support what you're saying??? Ahh well!
-Hoffer
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 01 2010,12:21 pm
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.I still just don't know why you cant use your name to support what you're saying??? Ahh well!
One of the best examples was when I got into with one of the forum kooks and they called my home and said they were coming over to kill me, and my wife. My wife doesn't even read the forum so I've got no idea where that came from. Another example is people like Joe the Plumber putting stuff in my front yard or mailing it to me. I eventually called the police to have a talk with him since the loon only lives a block or two from me.
I use the name Liberal because it pisses off the conservatives, but I let people know who I was from the start, but if given the choice now I would prefer to be anonymous.
I don't agree of course that the forum has no validity, if that were the case we would still have Gabe here breaking tape recorders. The Chamber would also have had a new home on our dime, and the old Streets Superintendent would still be here. As far as respect, I don't think anyone here worries about certain people not respecting this forum.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 01 2010,2:11 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 01 2010,9:52 am)
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Do you just not understand that some of those comments were the result of a lot of work, and that when we look back those comments will be as relevant as the story was? The story tells us what happened, the comments tell us how people felt about what happened.
The comments are the best part.
What is really cool is when you can see how people have grown over time.
The comments should be a part of our history.
Stupid things are going on at the Trib/Boone Publishing.
Posted by busybee on Aug. 01 2010,2:22 pm
Liberal...I'm with you on this subject!
A public newspaper that generates an income should NOT be about promoting a positive "image" of a community and only those in "power" as a whole and nothing much else than that without consideration of the "majority of the publics concern."
Fair reporting of the "news" is about allowing one, a few or many with the opportunity to express themselves freely and without fear and/or punishment by those in "power!!!"
Those who are in a PUBLIC position of power and authority over the majority in any community do so by choice.
This CHOICE is their's to take on and does not guarantee them immunity from criticism.
The Tribune's "new on-line policy" does NOTHING for the "general public" of the communities in Freeborn County. It benefits only a few...not EVERYONE.
This only oppresses those in the community who have REAL CONCERNS and REAL EXPERIENCES with those in power that are DIFFERENT from what the Tribune wants to "publicize" and "justify" as what is the best for EVERYONE!
I applaud YOU for having a site that allows EVERYONE a VOICE...no matter who they are!!!
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 01 2010,2:30 pm
It's sort of bizarre that I would be advocating for competition, but I really believe that people's honest opinions are important to the community, no matter who they are. And sometimes circumstances makes it impossible to offer that opinion using your real name.
Posted by busybee on Aug. 01 2010,2:37 pm
Especially when those in the position of power and control can minimize and/or IGNORE the NEED for SAFETY of "some" in the community for their own benefit in HOPES that they can get something BETTER to "line" their specific organization's income and public image.
Posted by busybee on Aug. 01 2010,2:57 pm
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What is really cool is when you can see how people have grown over time.
The comments should be a part of our history.
Stupid things are going on at the Trib/Boone Publishing.
I agree 100% alcitizens!
I would be sad if my opinon/beliefs were negated by this site. I have been a member here for a LONG time and I have NEVER changed my user name or used more than one user name.
I don't use this forum for anything OTHER than what it is intended for...to express my thoughts and opinions.
I know I have GROWN over the years I have been posting on here and that's a plus for me.
(Of course...some choose to believe something different...boohoo for them. )
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 01 2010,4:13 pm
I don't think I'm uo for any newpapers tours Scott. I'm already depressed enough as it is. What are you trying to do, finish me off? I'm been doing some hard travelin'... Put this in your pipe and smoke it. Nobody's sing songin' at da Trib.
Posted by Robert Hoffman on Aug. 01 2010,4:32 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 01 2010,12:21 pm)
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[/quote] One of the best examples was when I got into with one of the forum kooks and they called my home and said they were coming over to kill me, and my wife. My wife doesn't even read the forum so I've got no idea where that came from. Another example is people like Joe the Plumber putting stuff in my front yard or mailing it to me. I eventually called the police to have a talk with him since the loon only lives a block or two from me.
I use the name Liberal because it pisses off the conservatives, but I let people know who I was from the start, but if given the choice now I would prefer to be anonymous.
I don't agree of course that the forum has no validity, if that were the case we would still have Gabe here breaking tape recorders. The Chamber would also have had a new home on our dime, and the old Streets Superintendent would still be here. As far as respect, I don't think anyone here worries about certain people not respecting this forum.
Points well taken-Thanks!
Seems like it's easier to just watch from the sidelines sometimes doesn't it-but a few of us just aren't hardwired that way huh!?
...keep making noise!
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 01 2010,10:07 pm
(Scott Schmeltzer @ Aug. 01 2010,8:21 am)
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P.S.-Maddog-calling me a pissant. again really? Please broaden your word knowledge. I suggest Reader's Digest "word power".
I see after all day you have considerable comments on the website.
You're right. No originality at all. I should have referred to you as a Chamber maid.
Posted by scary on Aug. 01 2010,10:37 pm
Is joe the pooper one the major posters on the restricted site?
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 02 2010,7:50 am
Looks like Sheriff Heretic's gonna be replaced.
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 02 2010,9:10 am
(gijoeman @ Aug. 02 2010,7:50 am)
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Looks like Sheriff Heretic's gonna be replaced.
GIJoe, That would be my wish, however, I am skeptical. The public likes incumbents.
One of the primary sources of public information is restricting negative comments by requiring people to sign in using their names & phone numbers.
I am sure it is a coincidence
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 02 2010,10:21 pm
(hairhertz @ Aug. 02 2010,9:10 am)
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One of the primary sources of public information is restricting negative comments by requiring people to sign in using their names & phone numbers.
I am sure it is a coincidence
"Whoever controls the media, controls the mind." Jim Morrison
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 03 2010,11:26 am
Today's Editorial.....
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Editorial: Wanted names? Now join the talk [UPDATED] Published 8:41am Tuesday, August 3, 2010 Email Print Comments
We invite local movers and shakers — from business leaders to city and county officials — to register at our new website and make comments.
Many of you told us you disliked the way users could make comments anonymously on the previous web platform for AlbertLeaTribune.com. We weighed your feedback against the input from people who liked it the way it was, many of whom were the day-to-day working people whose jobs prevent them from speaking their minds publicly.
We also weighed our hopes for good dialogue and the necessities of a new media.
When the time came to rethink our website, we took the new direction. We opted for comment makers to be registered users with verifiable names. No one is anonymous.
However, for this to be successful, there will need to be clear results. There will need to be vibrant dialogue, like the old platform had, and that means the people who clamored for names next to comments need to follow through on their request and participate in the discussions.
Surely, many of the anonymous users will be OK using their real names now. But some of them won't be, which will make for less talk. The loss of their participation hopefully will be offset by the people who sought real names.
We believe dialogue is good for the health of the community.
So please sign on. We are doing this for you.
You haven't got it yet, your bunch of puppets, the shakers and movers have tied their strings to your hands and legs and have taken control of you, You cowed and shut down free speech. Next on the agenda is to shut down the coffee shops where gossip is being spread. It will be called unlawful assembley.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Aug. 03 2010,11:48 am
Two points:
1) It seems to me that he is openly admitting that the new format is starting to hurt the Trib. There are ALOT of stories listed over there for today, but only about five comments...and not very intelligent ones at that.
2) It seems to me that he went with the loud minority. He says: [quote]Many of you told us you disliked the way users could make comments anonymously on the previous web platform for AlbertLeaTribune.com. We weighed your feedback against the input from people who liked it the way it was, many of whom were the day-to-day working people whose jobs prevent them from speaking their minds publicly.
When the majority is content in having it the way it was, why ruin it and go with the simple minority. One thing I have learned about Albert Lea as a whole is that there are TONS of people who hear an idea, like it, and are on board...but then never follow thru when it is time to. Those who have the reservations, and air them out, are usually the ones who WILL show up and participate (see Jim Hanson both here AND Trib).
I think it comes down to this...the bigwigs who commented on the forum wanted to know who all was making the comments...whether it be because they wanted to know if their underlings were making comments, or to find out who was against them (Paul Fields, the Good Sam girls, etc). They were all for this anonymity to go away...and made the loudest stink. At the point the decision to do away with anonymous names happened, and went into action, the will of the majority of the people who read/post on the Trib was thrown out of the window. In simple mans terms...the Trib stopped working for the people..its readers.
Hope I made sense, and if not, yall know where to find me
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 03 2010,1:07 pm
I have been trying to log on to the tribune web site it takes me to my profile but when I go back to the tribune front page it tells me I am not logged in, anyone else having that problem or have I been blacklisted?
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 03 2010,1:21 pm
I had to restart my computer to get logged on. Just plain weird I would have to do that.
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 03 2010,1:23 pm
Just another coincidence, Geo
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 03 2010,1:28 pm
Well, honestly yes, it is possible for the Tribune to block you through your browser which they use to track with. Try another browser and that browser will not be blocked. Yes the Tribsters are tricksters indeed. Been dat way for a longtime.
Call em Tribsters from now on.
Posted by Robert Hoffman on Aug. 03 2010,1:59 pm
(GEOKARJO @ Aug. 03 2010,11:26 am)
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You haven't got it yet, your bunch of puppets...
'YOU ARE' too. haha
...just pickin on ya Geo for the "your" typo
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 03 2010,7:05 pm
(ControlledHyperness @ Aug. 03 2010,11:48 am)
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1) It seems to me that he is openly admitting that the new format is starting to hurt the Trib. There are ALOT of stories listed over there for today, but only about five comments...and not very intelligent ones at that.
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Special election for vacant commissioner seat [UPDATED]
0 comments
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Debate on English language measure rages in Lino Lakes
1 comment
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2 teenage boys accused of felony theft, burglary
2 comments
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Democrats spar during TV debate
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Government Access Channel to rebroadcast sheriff’s forum
0 comments
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Man charged with Glenville burglary
0 comments
Anyone else see something here?
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MOST EMAILED
Sparking friendships - 7 emails
Vernon “Bill” Olson, 94, Albert Lea - 6 emails
Robert Navarro, 64 - 6 emails
Karissa Joy Hendrickson, Freeborn - 6 emails
Looks like you have all your posters onboard.
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 04 2010,12:30 pm
I still find it amazing that they will print/post opinion articles unsigned by staff members. By line is just Staff Reports. I hate it when any news organization prints stuff but won't put a name to it. It is opinion after all, and now the fish wrap requires readers opinions to not be anonymous.
Posted by This is my real name on Aug. 04 2010,12:43 pm
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 04 2010,12:30 pm)
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I still find it amazing that they will print/post opinion articles unsigned by staff members. By line is just Staff Reports. I hate it when any news organization prints stuff but won't put a name to it. It is opinion after all, and now the fish wrap requires readers opinions to not be anonymous.
Interesting point.
Hiding behind an editorial and collectively accepting responsibility for its content, yet no individual standing up to say they wrote it.
They're all Spartacus!
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 04 2010,4:11 pm
I like how the tribune stories with the most comments are the editorials on the new policy. Keep it up Scott. You're doing great.
Scott, tell us what the real reason was for the change?
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 05 2010,6:22 am
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 04 2010,12:30 pm)
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I still find it amazing that they will print/post opinion articles unsigned by staff members. By line is just Staff Reports. I hate it when any news organization prints stuff but won't put a name to it. It is opinion after all, and now the fish wrap requires readers opinions to not be anonymous.
Editorials should have the writers name listed, they shouldn't be anonymous. The Tribune is being very hypocritical with their new policy..
Posted by City Worker on Aug. 05 2010,8:19 am
Now that's a good point and question.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 05 2010,10:02 pm
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Randy Kehr August 5, 2010 at 3:18 pm I, personally, applaud the Albert Lea Tribune for this change. While I certainly prefer the old-fashioned, face to face dialogue of a phone call or personal visit, I am encouraged by the fact that this discussion is taking place in a civil manner. I am always willing to discuss issues but not with those who choose to use personal attacks or inaccurate “facts” in the process of making their point. I believe this change is the first step in restoring “civility to the town square”.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 05 2010,10:37 pm
(gijoeman @ Aug. 03 2010,1:28 pm)
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Well, honestly yes, it is possible for the Tribune to block you through your browser which they use to track with. Try another browser and that browser will not be blocked.
What? That is the dumbest thing I have ever read in a long time.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 05 2010,10:37 pm
Why did he quote the “civility to the town square” part?
It reminds me of this guy I ran into up in Nisswa on vacation. He worked at the Holiday gas station and called himself Mr. Holiday, and every time a customer walked out of the store he would raise his fist and say, "Party on, drink more Pepsi".
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 05 2010,10:47 pm
Well, I'm sure Randy likes it seeing all the flack he's gotta take for...well...being on the take!
Posted by City Worker on Aug. 06 2010,8:29 am
It's not a contest like Albert Lea.com VS. the Tribune forum. I think they both are totally different. I think there both good for info and news.
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 06 2010,8:41 am
The tribune is good for news? I wouldn't be so certain.
Posted by This is my real name on Aug. 06 2010,12:10 pm
The Tribune site is down right now - maybe they're changing it back to the way it was. More likely, they're having problems with the site. But there's always hope.
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 06 2010,1:46 pm
I was getting sick of the same band of right wing robots re posting all these Rush inspires sound bites. It completely ruined the papers site.
Posted by jimhanson on Aug. 06 2010,6:03 pm
(gijoeman @ Aug. 06 2010,1:46 pm)
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I was getting sick of the same band of right wing robots re posting all these Rush inspires sound bites. It completely ruined the papers site.
As opposed to you quoting "High Times"?
Libbies like to demonize Rush--but I can't recall ANYBODY "reposting" or quoting him over there.
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 06 2010,6:17 pm
Especially that Ernie Gann Kook.
Posted by hymiebravo on Aug. 06 2010,10:33 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 05 2010,10:02 pm)
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Randy Kehr August 5, 2010 at 3:18 pm I, personally, applaud the Albert Lea Tribune for this change. While I certainly prefer the old-fashioned, face to face dialogue of a phone call or personal visit, I am encouraged by the fact that this discussion is taking place in a civil manner. I am always willing to discuss issues but not with those who choose to use personal attacks or inaccurate “facts” in the process of making their point. I believe this change is the first step in restoring “civility to the town square”.
Yes you're just the shining beacon of credibility and ethical behavior.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 06 2010,10:34 pm
(alcitizens @ Aug. 05 2010,10:02 pm)
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Randy Kehr August 5, 2010 at 3:18 pm I, personally, applaud the Albert Lea Tribune for this change. While I certainly prefer the old-fashioned, face to face dialogue of a phone call or personal visit, I am encouraged by the fact that this discussion is taking place in a civil manner. I am always willing to discuss issues but not with those who choose to use personal attacks or inaccurate “facts” in the process of making their point. I believe this change is the first step in restoring “civility to the town square”.
Mr. Randy Kehr, You don't like what people feel in this town and choose to use your clout to silence the Tribune. Your friend Mr. Schmuck will be no good to you when he's gone. You can thank him for cutting off those that know about you and Ms. Kehr's dealings around here. Consider your days numbered at the Chamber of Commerce..
The Voice of the people can always be shared here at the Discussion Forum without your approval..
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 07 2010,6:36 am
This was a long time coming. The fishwrap tried it once before. The press feels the need to control its readers. If it can't, it has to change or be buried under the rubble. A government body knows that it needs to control what a paper prints also. In this case, its an organization which thinks it is the controlling government body. That mission has been long since been accomplished by the chamber placing Schmuckzer on their payroll.
The first indication our little propaganda paper gave us was plain and simple. If you won't play what I want to play, I'm taking my ball and going home.
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Posted by tengstrom (Tim Engstrom) on October 1, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks for the suggestion. I appreciate it. Here's the deal: If this becomes more than we have time to handle, we will shut it down. There is actual work to be done, and we are super busy. It takes time away from that work to deal with troublemakers. If this continues, comments will be shut off.
Posted by Scott Schmeltzer on Aug. 07 2010,9:48 am
Mr. Unhappy Puppy, As I see you still need to call me names, please step up and be a man and come and see me about your problems with the Tribune Newspaper. In the past you have said you do not read our little piece of fishwrap and we are not a good place for news, yet you continue to take great pride in saying you beat us to the scoop or challenge our editor or our editing process. Are you just bored? I am confused as if you have quit our paper or going to our website why on earth do you continue to comment on about what we do and how we do it. Please just do not read our newspaper or go to our website if you have such a disdain for us. If you really just have a lot of time on your hands, please volunteer for one of the fine organizations in our county.
Thanks Scott Schmeltzer-aka-Schmukzer
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 07 2010,10:48 am
How about doing some investigative reporting, Scott? You could start with SHIP expeditures and the tie between the Kehrs.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 07 2010,11:18 am
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What's widely-known is that Americans are not buying newspapers anymore in droves.
What hasn't been widely-known, until now, is that a year ago the new Democrat administration of Barack Obama launched a major internal study intended to design a major government rescue plan for the nation's financially-troubled information media, primarily newspapers.
That strident sound you hear are the alarms going off in minds and offices across the country: Government helping the press? Which press? How help? In return for what?
Well, two years ago who'd have thought the feds would own General Motors with major holdings in a bunch of banks and financial institutions, reshaped the healthcare industry, spent $787 billion on who-knows-what to create some jobs, have rewritten a package of new financial regulations to corral Wall Street and still not be securing the U.S.-Mexico border?
The Federal Trade Commission has just released a major staff study of modern American media titled "Potential Policy Recommendations to Support the Reinvention of Journalism." And...
...silly you thought the private business of journalism was doing that by itself in its own stumbling ways without the help of the Washington branch of the Chicago Democratic political machine.
The study notes those industry-wide revival efforts and adds:
There are reasons for concern that experimentation may not produce a robust and sustainable business model for commercial journalism. History in the United States shows that readers of the news have never paid anywhere close to the full cost of providing the news. Rather, journalism always has been subsidized to a large extent by, for example, the federal government, political parties, or advertising. True, there have been government subsidies over the decades in the form of below-cost postal rates and printing contracts. But this FTC study is rated R for anyone who thinks the federal government, the object of copious news coverage itself, has no business deciding which sectors of the private media business survive and thrive through its support, subsidies and encouragement with things like tax incentives.
Yet that's what this Obama administration paper is suggesting as another of the ex-community organizer's galactic reform plans.
Would you believe: major changes to the copyright law, including government licensing provisions; government pilot programs to investigate potential new media business models, antitrust changes to allow media companies to unite on imposing online pay walls, establish a journalism division of AmeriCorps with government underwriting the training of young journalists, tax incentives per news employee, increased funding of public broadcasting, a 5% tax on consumer electronics and/or assessments on users of public airwaves.
Another idea would be to allow taxpayers to direct a portion of their taxes -- perhaps up to $200 -- to a specific media institution as payment for media services rendered. (Now, if taxpayers could direct such sums to individual bloggers... )
Our thanks to Mark Tapscott of the Washington Examiner for his trenchant observations titled "Will journalists wake up in time to save journalism from Obama's FTC?"
Over at BuzzMachine, Jeff Jarvis aims his usual provocative analysis at the FTC paper, a main point being that Obama's folks are, quite likely too late, plotting to "help" the oldest, most-troubled part of the news media business: newspapers. With but one lone mention of something newer called blogs.
An equivalent task might be the feds helping U.S. car companies revive the densely-chromed, high-finned gas guzzlers of the 1950-60's. How many of you folks, for instance, bought and read an actual newspaper this morning?
That's what we thought. -- Andrew Malcolm
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 07 2010,11:24 am
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See how it works? First, the government took certain steps that helped newspapers and later helped broadcasting. But then it formed public broadcasting networks, and now there’s the suggestion it take control of the news media by making it a public entity. As with health care, ultimately the government seeks total control. The same sort of incremental encroachment has substantially taken control of the nation’s public schools.
The authors are correct that journalism is experiencing change, but change does not translate to collapse. This is not journalism’s first such crisis; it is the third one since the printing press shoved the town crier into the unemployment line. In the 1930s newspapers were challenged by the advent of network radio news. And in the 50s both newspapers and radio were challenged by network television news, and that change is still evolving. What journalism also faces today is yet another new element, the Internet. Technology has again produced change; but change is nothing new for the news media, and it isn’t fatal, so we don’t need the government to rush in to save the day.
The authors’ concept fits comfortably into the philosophy espoused by White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel: “Never let a serious crisis go to waste.” And if there isn’t a convenient crisis afoot, make one up. Hence the title of the report’s opening section: “Crisis and Opportunity.”
This paper was produced by Free Press, a left-wing organization reportedly close to the Obama administration describing itself as “a national, nonpartisan, nonprofit organization working to reform the media.” Free Press is listed first among coalition partners of StopBigMedia.com, a major initiative of which is Net Neutrality, a movement to impose a Fairness Doctrine (read “government control”) on the Internet. Other left-wing partners include: Service Employees International Union (SEIU); AFL-CIO, Department for Professional Employees; Rainbow/PUSH Coalition; National Organization for Women; Feminist Majority; Common Cause; Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting; ACLU of Iowa; Coalition Against Hate Media; and Coalition for the Peoples’ Agenda.
Free Press wants to create the idea that private media has failed, and use it as an excuse for the government to “save” yet another industry for the good of all mankind. However, lower revenues and job cuts are normal business problems, sometimes as a result of bad business decisions, sometimes as a result of economic recession. If we can keep the predatory, gluttonous feds at bay long enough, private sector media will adapt to changing circumstances, as it has done throughout history, and strong companies will emerge, survive and thrive.
One wonders if liberals believe there is any element of our lives that would not be better under government control. But imagine what a nightmare it will be if things devolve to the point where government chooses who can report news in a newspaper, or on radio, television, or the Internet.
Defeating this power grab depends upon the free flow of reliable information, which is a significant challenge, given the degree to which the mainstream media has abandoned its duty to produce balanced and accurate reporting to keep the citizenry well informed.
Barack Obama believes there is too much information available to people and that they can’t tell the good from the bad. That’s insulting. The answer is more information, not less, and less information is what we’ll have with government management of the news.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 07 2010,11:52 am
Did I misspell your name again? Sometimes I have a couple fingers that aren't always politically correct and they hit the wrong keys.
Beating you to a scoop? When Winkels and the Commerce department spoke to people involved in AL Abstract, I gave the paper HOURS to report it first. It sat on my computer for maybe five hours before I hit send. At the sheriff debate, it was hours before you posted your story. You should remember with an online paper, you can get your story out there much sooner than having to wait until the presses roll the next day.
I didn't say I have quit going to your website. I said I visit there much less often and click pages far less. There is no need to. Once I've read an article, there's no sense in going back to see what others in the community have to say because they won't do it on your site any more. More people are coming here now.
I clicked on one of your pages just this morning that had two comments on it only to find out it was just your gurly man part time opinion maker.
Your editor...I always take the time to stop and say hello to him in a civil manner and he does the same.
My understanding of Freedom of Speech and or Expression is that a person should be able to speak and not feel threatened from oppression or persecution. By giving people the freedom of anonymous expression and then taking it away from them is by no means the way a newpaper who preaches the first amendment should perform.
I certainly hope we will not see anymore articles in your opinion section wrote by members of your staff telling how great the first amendment is.
Posted by canvasback on Aug. 07 2010,11:52 am
(Scott Schmeltzer @ Aug. 07 2010,9:48 am)
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Mr. Unhappy Puppy, As I see you still need to call me names, please step up and be a man and come and see me about your problems with the Tribune Newspaper. In the past you have said you do not read our little piece of fishwrap and we are not a good place for news, yet you continue to take great pride in saying you beat us to the scoop or challenge our editor or our editing process. Are you just bored? I am confused as if you have quit our paper or going to our website why on earth do you continue to comment on about what we do and how we do it. Please just do not read our newspaper or go to our website if you have such a disdain for us. If you really just have a lot of time on your hands, please volunteer for one of the fine organizations in our county.
Thanks Scott Schmeltzer-aka-Schmukzer
So much for "civility in the town square". You are actually calling him out to step up and be a man. What, are you 16? Aren't you making some assumptions? How do you know he hasn't volunteered? Getting a little touchy aren't we, feeling the need to come here and defend your mistakes? How about answering some of the questions posed to you here?
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 07 2010,12:41 pm
There is a Label for the Tribunes actions it is called "Net Neutrality" below is a summery of opinions, from leading journalist, of what Net Neutrality means for me and you.
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Net Neutrality, it's a way to control voices. The net neutrality principle supported by the Obama administration is an attempt by the government to control Internet content.
Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine of the Internet." Let's say you want to search abortion, or you want to search the health care bill with net neutrality they want to control what you see. They want to control what your options are. They can't really control the content; it's too massive and it's too big. What they want to try to do is limit your access to it, and have that access flavored toward whatever particular point of view the government wants supported.
Net Neutrality "is a foray into content regulation which could effectively squash dissenting viewpoints.
"Mr. Obama's appointees to this [Federal Communications Commission] have made no secret of their desire to exercise more control over the whole landscape of video, telephone and wireless services. One of the most worrisome elements of their agenda is their current rule-making process, better known as 'Net Neutrality,' which seeks to regulate the flow of Internet content for the first time ever."
Net Neutrality means "the censors of the left will even have the power to control the Internet
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 07 2010,1:34 pm
So, Obama really is the boogieman?
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 07 2010,1:44 pm
(Scott Schmeltzer @ Aug. 07 2010,9:48 am)
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Mr. Unhappy Puppy, As I see you still need to call me names, please step up and be a man and come and see me about your problems with the Tribune Newspaper. In the past you have said you do not read our little piece of fishwrap and we are not a good place for news, yet you continue to take great pride in saying you beat us to the scoop or challenge our editor or our editing process. Are you just bored? I am confused as if you have quit our paper or going to our website why on earth do you continue to comment on about what we do and how we do it. Please just do not read our newspaper or go to our website if you have such a disdain for us. If you really just have a lot of time on your hands, please volunteer for one of the fine organizations in our county.
Thanks Scott Schmeltzer-aka-Schmukzer
Nice post GEO. I agree. Jim might refer to it as newspeak.
Now back to Winston Schmuckzer. See, my fingers did it again. Must be a force of habit. Kind of like you or your staff deleting comments that one of your lackeys found offensive.
I've seen comments on the trib site that were sure to be deleted for good reason. And many that I could see no reason for other than your Ministry of Truth wanted them removed.
You seem to have a problem. Perhaps you should come and see me. Keeping your head buried in the Chamber's sandbox will get you nothing but cat poop in your face. Start answering some of the questions posed to you like by canvasback asked.
You can start by telling us all the things you disagree with about the chamber.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 07 2010,1:52 pm
(hairhertz @ Aug. 07 2010,1:34 pm)
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So, Obama really is the boogieman?
Geo, Can I get a link to your Heritage Fox Crap. You do realize that what you're posting is nothing more than rightwing teabaggin republican bull, don't you?
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 07 2010,2:49 pm
Here is a good read on how local government and lobyist organizations are restricting free speach and media content. Does it sound familiar.
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For media consumers, it’s the freedom to consume whatever information or entertainment we want from whatever sources we choose, without government restricting our choices. For media creators and distributors, it’s the freedom to structure their business affairs as they wish in seeking to offer the public an expanding array of media options, for both news and entertainment. And for both consumers and creators, media freedom is being able to speak one’s mind without restraint, and without the threat of FCC or FEC bureaucrats telling us what is “fair.”
< http://biggovernment.com/athiere...reedoms >
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 07 2010,3:06 pm
Breitbart.. The same guy that got that black lady fired from her job with the USDA because of his falsified information..
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 07 2010,3:10 pm
I applaud da Schmeltz for even appearing here.
In my view, first and foremost the Tribune is a business. A business that's facing very hard times as tech changes. I don't know how much power Scott S has to run the paper but if it were me I'd want to OWN the net. All Newspapers will eventually be all online without any print addition.
I wouldn't be running from the net, I'd be embracing it.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 07 2010,3:29 pm
(gijoeman @ Aug. 07 2010,3:10 pm)
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I applaud da Schmeltz for even appearing here.
True, and I sympathize for the young gal who is writing the stories he mentioned I scooped. I remember her from her last employment. She has always been a friendly person.
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 07 2010,4:31 pm
Read it here first, read the pc/chamberpot version later at their newspaper.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 07 2010,6:36 pm
Nice patriotic banner.
Posted by Anyone you want me to be on Aug. 07 2010,7:21 pm
I'm new to town and can't believe what I'm reading. The paper wants to know your name before you can comment? That really reeks of an editor that doesn't have the final word. Seriously, what self-respecting journalist would want to shut down that process? ("I'm sorry, Mr. Deep Throat, but we can't use any of this information unless you disclose your full name")
Since everything comes down to dollars, this was fueled by a) large advertisers threatening to pull out, b) local pols threatening to influence large advertisers, or c) the publisher demanded it and he is just preaching the company line. For his sake, I hope it's 'c'.
Finally, are you even sure that's really the editor posting on here? He seems a bit immature to be making important decisions. If it really is him, count me out as someone that will spend a dime on the AL Tribune. I don't want to read a paper run by someone that doesn't rise above the rantings on a local message board.
Since I have a few minutes, I guess I'll do a little research online about the publisher. Maybe that will shed a little light.
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 07 2010,9:26 pm
welcome, anyone, good first post. Good luck with your research.
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 08 2010,12:14 pm
They've admitted it's because of C.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 08 2010,8:44 pm
Now that Randy Kehr has created his own personal platform at the Albert Lea Tribune, the Trib should change their name to the Chamber Post or the Chamber Daily Newsletter..
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Randy Kehr August 8, 2010 at 6:21 pm Jeshua, Our mayor essentially is a councilor at large who presides over the meetings, as well. He or she, as meeting chair, votes last. The person serving as Mayor also represents the City in a ceremonial capacity. Randy
The voice of city government, Randy K., Chamberpot presz.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 08 2010,9:25 pm
I wonder if the ChamberWrap has had to start lying to its advertisers yet about traffic being down?
Posted by City Worker on Aug. 09 2010,1:40 am
I think this topic has been dragged out and beaten to death.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 09 2010,1:46 am
(hairhertz @ Aug. 08 2010,9:10 pm)
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The voice of city government, Randy K., Chamberpot presz.
Sorry HH, but I like the name ChamberWrap for the Trib..
Posted by canvasback on Aug. 09 2010,10:27 am
(City Worker @ Aug. 09 2010,1:40 am)
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I think this topic has been dragged out and beaten to death.
I don't think so, IMO. In fact, I don't think enough noise has been made. Srew the A.L birdcage liner, it's more about how a select few can continue to pull the strings and feel the need to control. Too few people have way too much power in this community. If someone offers a different idea or perspective or opinion, no matter how constructive, you are labeled negative. The Kehrs, the Stakers, the Petersons et al...just look at who perpetually serves on the various committees that makes the decisons. And YES, I have done my time and volunteered in many ways. I just know when it is time for new blood and step down. Most of them don't.
Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 09 2010,10:38 am
The fact that are virtually no responses to articles in the ALTrib demands that we keep this topic viable.
Posted by City Worker on Aug. 09 2010,11:05 am
OK , you do have some good points.
Canvasback ,
I agree with you on the topic that there is a special group that wants to run this town and alot of us try to stop them. The CLAN as I call it just gets stronger and stronger , because they breed within and take care of there own.
Posted by canvasback on Aug. 09 2010,11:27 am
Exactly! A hundred people could go to, Randy Kehr for example, with the same idea or opinion, he will do what HE wants and thinks is best anyway! Case in point, the location of the chamber offices!
Posted by canvasback on Aug. 09 2010,11:35 am
It's the arrogance that gets me. Like no one else has any smarts or edumacashun at all! Those people that think they know it all really agitate those of us who do!
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 09 2010,12:28 pm
They were asking Lib about his edumacation. I don't know about Lib, but I ain't much cut out for all that fancy book learnin'.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 09 2010,4:24 pm
I'm a big believer in book learnin', I'm just not a big believer in people telling me which book I need to read.
I put the headlines back on the front page for the Tribune and the Herald. If anyone sees anything that I missed let me know.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Aug. 09 2010,5:22 pm
You forgot to make the links work...
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 09 2010,7:11 pm
The links are there now. Liberal just didn't put the past comments all back on so the ChamberWrap would have a little substance again.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 09 2010,7:24 pm
(MADDOG @ Aug. 08 2010,9:25 pm)
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I wonder if the ChamberWrap has had to start lying to its advertisers yet about traffic being down?
My new thing is to go there to check for new comments which takes about 30 seconds. Carlson(JTP) posts some goofy stuff now and then.. I don't think 10,000 people are visiting their site anymore..
Posted by ControlledHyperness on Aug. 09 2010,7:33 pm
Thanks MadDog. I understand that Lib was playing nice...I just thought it was kinda funny that if you wanted to READ what the links went to, you had to navigate thru the mumbojumbo of https...LOL
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 09 2010,7:48 pm
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 09 2010,7:50 pm
I didn't put them there. Liberal had to have done it.
Maybe he should have left it that way so people would get frustrated and not bother going there.
Posted by Admin on Aug. 09 2010,8:00 pm
It works for me on firefox and safari?
Posted by Admin on Aug. 09 2010,8:18 pm
Oops the Herald links don't work
Posted by Admin on Aug. 09 2010,8:38 pm
Should work now, if not let me know which link(s) don't work.
Posted by busybee on Aug. 09 2010,11:32 pm
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I don't think enough noise has been made. Srew the A.L birdcage liner, it's more about how a select few can continue to pull the strings and feel the need to control. Too few people have way too much power in this community. If someone offers a different idea or perspective or opinion, no matter how constructive, you are labeled negative.
Posted by canvasback on Aug. 10 2010,9:49 am
Why does the birdcage liner have a story about the city voting to stand up to Alliant Energy at last nights mtg., but then goes on to say we have to wait until Thursday for more about what happened at last nights meeting? Now that is timely reporting!
Posted by canvasback on Aug. 10 2010,9:51 am
Oh and FYI, because I enjoy eating fish, I would not wrap them in the paper, hence my choice of words.
Posted by denovo on Aug. 10 2010,10:35 am
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ALCITIZENS: Their new requirements will likely eliminate any real meaningful dialogue. Boring!
Are you kidding me? The dialogue just got a lot more meaningful and as for the new site, AWESOME! I'm actually proud of it and wish even more Tim or Scott would hire me. I bet Jeshua is managing it and developed it. Did you notice there's space for avatars?
Posted by denovo on Aug. 10 2010,10:43 am
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city voting to stand up to Alliant Energy
in case folks haven't already read:
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 10 2010,10:51 am
(denovo @ Aug. 10 2010,10:35 am)
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Are you kidding me? The dialogue just got a lot more meaningful and as for the new site, AWESOME! I'm actually proud of it and wish even more Tim or Scott would hire me. I bet Jeshua is managing it and developed it. Did you notice there's space for avatars?
Then plague them. Anyone else think that Jesha and Denovo would make good b*** buddies?
Posted by denovo on Aug. 10 2010,10:52 am
and for the record, cheryl at the workforce center in owatonna said i was clearly the hardest working job searcher she's ever seen which i did find kind of funny cuz even i'll admit, i didn't work that hard; i just gots skills; quack quack!
Posted by Two Bears on Aug. 10 2010,11:22 am
(Liberal @ Aug. 09 2010,4:24 pm)
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I'm a big believer in book learnin', I'm just not a big believer in people telling me which book I need to read.
I put the headlines back on the front page for the Tribune and the Herald. If anyone sees anything that I missed let me know.
Flip Flopper are you?
Posted by Robert Hoffman on Aug. 10 2010,12:03 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 09 2010,4:24 pm)
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I'm a big believer in book learnin', I'm just not a big believer in people telling me which book I need to read.
I put the headlines back on the front page for the Tribune and the Herald. If anyone sees anything that I missed let me know.
Great show of class Lib!
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 10 2010,2:41 pm
Da Hoff strikes again...can we get a pictured avatar?
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 10 2010,4:41 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 31 2010,3:20 pm)
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Seven new members just since Thursday.
Hey Scott.
12 more new members since the 1st. Gotta love that paper.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 10 2010,10:25 pm
I don't think I flip-flopped, I posted the next day that I would eventually put it on there. The biggest reason I did it was that the front page of this site is archived every day so that a person can pull up the front page from any date in the past and read just about everything in the local news, and what people on the forum were talking about. I figured the archive was getting messed up because of the missing links.
like this... < http://www.albertlea.com/archive/12_10_09_09.html >
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 10 2010,11:00 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 10 2010,10:25 pm)
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I don't think I flip-flopped, I posted the next day that I would eventually put it on there. The biggest reason I did it was that the front page of this site is archived every day so that a person can pull up the front page from any date in the past and read just about everything in the local news, and what people on the forum were talking about. I figured the archive was getting messed up because of the missing links.
like this... < http://www.albertlea.com/archive/12_10_09_09.html >
The ChamberWrap doesn't want anyone to be able to go back and see what people thought at the time. Sorry Frikers!!
CHAMBERWRAP!!
Posted by busybee on Aug. 11 2010,12:37 am
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I'm a big believer in book learnin', I'm just not a big believer in people telling me which book I need to read.
I agree!!!
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 14 2010,10:50 am
Two bit ad or just misleading?
Posted by Reason on Aug. 14 2010,11:20 pm
albertlea.com should buy a spot lol
Posted by busybee on Aug. 15 2010,3:38 am
Awww heck...I would give albertlea.com the "scoop" before I would ever consider the Tribune.
If there's one thing I believe about this forum...oppression is NOT an OPTION, nor is real identity a requirement before a person is granted the right and respect to write a statement about the facts as they know them.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Aug. 27 2010,12:42 pm
I just made a comment in the Austin Herald web site I was not required to post under my real name to make a comment. It posted under my user name. Therefore it is not a Boone Publishing Policy but a Chamber influenced local decision. Ban the Albert Lea Tribune comments. Make no comments and watch the Tribune hits dwindle. In order to be heard we must take a vow of silence.
Posted by scary on Aug. 27 2010,1:20 pm
(GEOKARJO @ Aug. 27 2010,12:42 pm)
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I just made a comment in the Austin Herald web site I was not required to post under my real name to make a comment. It posted under my user name. Therefore it is not a Boone Publishing Policy but a Chamber influenced local decision. Ban the Albert Lea Tribune comments. Make no comments and watch the Tribune hits dwindle. In order to be heard we must take a vow of silence.
Did you have to reregister?
Did you notice the # of comments?
Good job geo
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 27 2010,1:26 pm
Crap, we don't have to boycott the Tribune. They have already cut themself off. Sooner or later, their advertisers will realize that people are not turning pages. I seldom get past the home page and headlines now.
Online newspapers depend on users clicking pages. On the old Tribune, I might click on the same article 6-8 times to see different comments to a story. Each time, I would see ads. Now users don't see them or only see them once. There is no need to go back the second time. Business has to be down. If not, it will be after advertisers start to realize the people aren't seeing their ads as much anymore.
I think their are several of their papers who don't require a name. Even Fergus Falls, where Mr. Churchill works doesn't require it. You have the option of a user name.
For some of you old timers, remember it was Dave Churchill that helped eradicated Belden from our midst.
Posted by This is my real name on Aug. 27 2010,2:21 pm
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For some of you old timers, remember it was Dave Churchill that helped eradicated Belden from our midst.
So if this isn't a Boone problem, I wonder how this keeps happening here - you would think Boone would eventually make it clear to their editor or publisher that they do not work for the Chamber.
Are our local businesses threatening to pull advertising if the Tribune doesn't play ball the way they want them to?
Why is the Tribune afraid to report, afraid to take a stand, and afraid to let people comment without a user name? Who is powerful enough that it matters if their feelings are hurt by criticism?
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 27 2010,8:17 pm
Of course this is a Boone thing. Both the publisher here and the editor told us so.
Nobody here is going to call them a lying sack of ____ if I have anything to say about it.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 28 2010,2:19 am
The new policy doesn't bother me as much as the fact that they deleted all the old comments again. I never posted on the Tribune site after they allowed comments because I was still angry about them deleting the 10,000 comments prior to that.
Posted by gijoeman on Aug. 28 2010,3:09 am
I'd like to see more local advertising on this site. No reason we can't BE the new paper...
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 28 2010,6:40 am
(Liberal @ Aug. 28 2010,2:19 am)
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The new policy doesn't bother me as much as the fact that they deleted all the old comments again. I never posted on the Tribune site after they allowed comments because I was still angry about them deleting the 10,000 comments prior to that.
It almost smacks of book burning, doesn't it?
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 28 2010,11:13 am
I do like that the Tribune gives Denovo(Peter) a place to go to ramble on and on. They should call their forum Denovo's Crap..
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 28 2010,3:54 pm
(GEOKARJO @ Aug. 27 2010,12:42 pm)
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I just made a comment in the Austin Herald web site I was not required to post under my real name to make a comment. It posted under my user name. Therefore it is not a Boone Publishing Policy but a Chamber influenced local decision. Ban the Albert Lea Tribune comments. Make no comments and watch the Tribune hits dwindle. In order to be heard we must take a vow of silence.
The Tribune and Herald story links have been removed by Liberal, I think he's committed to a vow of silence..
You just had to come up with this just when Liberal was feeling better.
UPDATE: Story links are back..
Posted by Anyone you want me to be on Sep. 05 2010,6:40 am
Noticed that there are no comments on the newspaper website about Norman's statement to the city council yet it is the most emailed. That tells me:
-there is interest in the story -people are talking about it privately by email -the best place to get a feel for the public sentiment is here
There are several pages of discussion here about the Norman story without much that would seem out of line.
I've also noticed that since the paper's website 'upgrade' that when I search for local stories on Yahoo, the AL Trib stories don't come up anymore. I get a lot of Post-Bulletin, KTTC, Globe Gazette, even Forest City Summit stories, but nothing from either of the area Boone papers. That's gotta hurt.
With the lack of comments on 'hot topic' stories and no hits from a major search engine, I can only surmise that web hits have taken a beating. Personally, in the short time I've lived here, I've gone from 2-3x a day to once every other day, if that.
If there is evidence to the contrary, I'd like to see it (and so would many potential ad buyers, of which I am one. I think current buyers should be concerned as well.)
If someone from the paper would care to respond in a professional manner, that would be great. After all, I am a potential buyer. And please don't ask me to 'come down and talk about it one-on-one.' Not ready to take that step as a potential customer. Just a few facts would be appreciated. Please don't try to snow me with total hits or else you will lose me immediately. I'm not that gullible. Unique visitors would be a nice start. (That's all the road map I'm going to draw. The rest is up to you.)
Posted by gijoeman on Sep. 05 2010,10:55 am
I've done the market research for you. No, this paper is not a good value and does not do well at garnering costumers through advertising. Their strong suit is that they own all the print media in town, Shopper and paper, but both of these paradigms are failing. Shrinking. No reason this site can't be the local craigslist and low price advertising leader. The Tribunes advertising rates are very high for what you get. This isn't 1981.
Posted by hairhertz on Sep. 05 2010,11:12 am
Sadly, I read the Trib mostly for the obituaries.
Posted by Geek Squad on Sep. 06 2010,1:47 am
That forum/comments are dead. They killed the forum.
Posted by tallenz on Sep. 06 2010,7:18 pm
Anybody notice the large advertisement cow at the fairgrounds Sunday? The only thing it said on it was, Go to albertleatribune.com... Sounds kinda desparate to me!!! LOL Don't know if it is still there today
Posted by Geek Squad on Sep. 10 2010,3:55 am
I think the Tribune Editor Mr. Engstrom has killed a good thing. That forum/comment section has died. Very few post anymore.
I would be pissed if I had a ad on there before and they pulled the plug on the comments. The traffic also must be down!!!!
Posted by hairhertz on Sep. 11 2010,5:52 am
But now it appears that AL is one big happy huggy place, just the illusion desired by the local leaders [no, not the elected leaders, the real leaders.]
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 11 2010,9:36 am
Have you noticed that no one person from the Tribune is willing to put their name on editorials that might seem a little, well, opinionated? It always just says By Editorial Board.
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The Editorial Board of the Albert Lea Tribune comprises Scott Schmeltzer, Tim Engstrom, Sarah Stultz and Adam Harringa.
That way people can't point their finger at just the publisher or editor. It was a TEAM decision? Right?
Posted by jimhanson on Sep. 12 2010,3:34 pm
(Geek Squad @ Sep. 10 2010,3:55 am)
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I think the Tribune Editor Mr. Engstrom has killed a good thing. That forum/comment section has died. Very few post anymore.
I would be pissed if I had a ad on there before and they pulled the plug on the comments. The traffic also must be down!!!!
The Publisher, Scott Schmeltzer, takes responsibility with "You'll know who to blame."
Posted by masterlight on Sep. 12 2010,11:22 pm
""But now it appears that AL is one big happy huggy place, just the illusion desired by the local leaders [no, not the elected leaders, the real leaders.] ""
I agree with the above expression of frustration. It sadly gives that impression. Maybe something their will changes but I doubt it.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 10 2010,5:51 pm
I still catch myself actually going to their home page more than once a day to check if someone-anyone-hello(?) made a worthwhile comment.
Posted by twingroves on Oct. 10 2010,6:06 pm
not having much luck are you
Posted by scary on Oct. 10 2010,10:24 pm
Hey, you gotta look! Peters posting! Jtp is mia
Posted by Liberal on Oct. 15 2010,9:43 am
File this one under, "How to cut your site traffic by 40%"
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The Albert Lea Tribune website in September recorded over 1 million pageviews for the seventh-consecutive month.
The Tribune’s site breached 1.21 million pageviews, the second-highest tally ever, trailing only June’s 1.71 million pages viewed. The site also had over 50,000 unique visitors and an average of 6,026 unique visitors per day in September.
AlbertLeaTribune.com continues to provide breaking news coverage as it happens and updates as soon as they become available. The Tribune’s new site, which launched on July 30, also features news, sports and opinion blogs; video, sports video and multimedia pages; more photo galleries; and an archive of national, state and local election coverage. The Tribune also offers daily news e-mails; breaking news, weather and sports text alerts; a Facebook fanpage; and news and sports Twitter feeds.
Posted by GEOKARJO on Oct. 15 2010,12:15 pm
That is five page views per day, per visitor. Now I know I view more pages than that in a day on their site however I do it from 2 different computers and my cell phone. More than not people are viewing from the work computer and the home computer and so we can drop the 166 unique visitors a day down to 80 or less. As most IP addresses are Dynamic I can safely assume it is the same 80 more or less people a day the make up the 6000 +/- unique vistors.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 18 2010,8:10 pm
The commentors have disappeared.
Who are they trying to fool on hits to their site. It's probably safe to say that for every unique hit they have per day, they lose at least five page hits. All the people that used to go back and continuously check and read the new comments throughout the day.
Posted by stardust17 on Nov. 26 2010,2:29 am
So where is the discussion forum at the Tribune webite??
Posted by stardust17 on Nov. 26 2010,3:52 am
Previous comments...all the talk of free speech. What does it say of a town when "annonynomous" free speech is needed to prevent "retribution" from employers, co-workers, school mates, congregation members, etc? Is that freedom?
Posted by Anyone you want me to be on Nov. 27 2010,10:01 am
(stardust17 @ Nov. 26 2010,3:52 am)
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Previous comments...all the talk of free speech. What does it say of a town when "annonynomous" free speech is needed to prevent "retribution" from employers, co-workers, school mates, congregation members, etc? Is that freedom?
That is a fact of life, especially in the internet age. Doesn't matter if it's a small town or a large metropolis, although you're not likely to see that person at a stoplight in NYC. I left a couple of months ago after having a very creepy encounter with one AL's wealthiest men. (Actually, an interesting story for a paper with 'nads...but not in AL. The $$$ guy would never allow it to go to print.)
Anyway, on topic, the Tribune sucks. The editor made himself look like a total tool in here a few months ago. Any business that buys ads on their site is a total sucker. The only buy that's worse: those god awful local radio stations...yikes!
Happy Holidays!
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 27 2010,6:55 pm
I just read through this topic again, and I'm left wondering where all the Dorman, Kehr, Hoffman, and Breitholtz comments are at the Tribune?
Posted by stardust17 on Dec. 10 2010,9:24 pm
Bizarre!! I hadn't visited the Tribune website since last Spring(busy working). Am still in the dark on what really happened....no discussion forum, the pathetic pop-up ads, the smell of stagnation.
Is it:
1. public pressure 2. local politics 3. website incompetence 4. viewer abandonment 5. other 6. all of the above
The discussions on the trib site were lacking,....but c'mon...that's the evolutionary way. Jeez, Tim...what you doing?
Posted by scary on Dec. 10 2010,10:32 pm
(stardust17 @ Dec. 10 2010,9:24 pm)
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Bizarre!! I hadn't visited the Tribune website since last Spring(busy working). Am still in the dark on what really happened...no discussion forum, the pathetic pop-up ads, the smell of stagnation.
Is it:
1. public pressure 2. local politics 3. website incompetence 4. viewer abandonment 5. other 6. all of the above
The discussions on the trib site were lacking,...but c'mon...that's the evolutionary way. Jeez, Tim...what you doing?
Web site impotense?
Posted by MADDOG on Dec. 11 2010,3:12 pm
(stardust17 @ Dec. 10 2010,9:24 pm)
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the pathetic pop-up ads.
Is it:
1. public pressure 2. local politics 3. website incompetence 4. viewer abandonment 5. other 6. all of the above
The discussions on the trib site were lacking,...but c'mon...that's the evolutionary way. Jeez, Tim...what you doing?
Grasping for straws, what else. Annoying pop ups aren't they?
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1. public pressure 2. local politics 3. website incompetence 4. viewer abandonment 5. other 6. all of the above