Topic: Cops with big ego's are deadly
started by: countryboy
Posted by countryboy on Jul. 21 2009,8:23 pm
Here is the link for a cop that shot and killed a unarmed man just north of mankato. Very sad, especially for the victims three year old son who will never get to exchange I Love You with his father ever again because of some over amped cop.< http://wcco.com/crime/deputy.kills.man.2.1094358.html >
Posted by Joe The Plumber on Jul. 21 2009,8:52 pm
SAD story.See , one bad cop can spoil the whole bunch. My point is that this police force will have a " BLACK-EYE " because of this officers bad choice.
Didn't the officer have pepper spray or taser? Or call for back up.
The old saying is : " Your either a cop or a crook. "
Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 21 2009,8:54 pm
THIS is a clear cut case of the police making our lives much worse than it needs to be. Yes, the police have the right to kill those they feel are threatening them but in this case he assumes these young folks are supposed to know who and what he is and like the father, I believe this cop followed them after watching them swimming. Then looked to make trouble...and got it. Now we have one young man dead and a cop who will get away with it. Cop was scared for his life...he'll claim he told them he was a cop and that should've been enough. He'll claim all 5 shots were justified to protect his holiness, the cop. Then he'll get away with it.
Cops are Gods and don't you ever forget it. It's a big reason many young boys cream their panties thinking of becoming one.
Posted by Joe The Plumber on Jul. 21 2009,10:16 pm
Kaal Tv just had a good news story with this kids Dad and he is pissed and he wants justice served. I hope he gets it and this officer " ROTS " in prison. 
Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 21 2009,10:34 pm
Sadly, that's not what will happen. At most a career change for this cop but it may not even be that. Technically he was within his god given rights and that's what we give to these guys, the power of God. We say you're a 24 a day cop, go find lawbreakers at any time so they do and we get mad. I'm sure this kid did something wrong. I can't live even one single day in MN..in America without breaking the damn law. The law-is-an-ass.It's like we want the cops to go after partiers and lawbreakers and then wanna put all the blame on the cop when he does it. If this were any big city we wouldn't even be talking about this.
No way to stop this rampant police power either because no party wants to appear soft on crime. You can't even give dying people cannabis without being labeled a criminal and freak.
Posted by sumpdump on Jul. 22 2009,6:03 am
(Joe The Plumber @ Jul. 21 2009,8:52 pm)
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The old saying is : " Your either a cop or a crook. "
But the best cops are crooks! Ya they might not steal your property, but they wont hesitate a bit to steal your freedom, and dignity!
Posted by Blackdog on Jul. 22 2009,6:04 am
Paul harvey u wanna beU are a idiot and all you do is criticize everything people say.Take your keyboard and shove it up your ass.
Have a good day!!
Dog
Posted by Joe The Plumber on Jul. 22 2009,8:22 am
(Paul Harvey @ Jul. 21 2009,10:34 pm)
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If this were any big city we wouldn't even be talking about this.
TRUE ,
That's the main point of this tragedy. It's a " BIG " story in a small town.
I feel for the Dad ( Grandpa) and his family. I really feel the saddest for the Mom and the 4 year old kid. They are going to have a hard time living with this tragedy.
Now the most important thing will be is to explain to this young 4 year old as he grows older in life, is to convince him that all cops are not bad and crooked.
If this kid gets the proper help he will be ok. If he grows up hearing and thinking all cops are the same and are like the one that killed his Dad.
It will hit this 4 year old the hardest when he is in his teenage years in life.
I hope he only grows up and has anger/hate towards the bad/crooked cops in this world and great respect for the good " HONEST " cops in this world.
" VERY SAD STORY FOR ALL INVOLVED. "
PS. I do feel for the cops family too. They have to live with this also and try to figure this out.
Posted by the breeze on Jul. 22 2009,2:41 pm
i have had a lot of contact with the police, minneapolis, rochester and albert lea. do what they tell you to do and no more. and do it FAST. you wont get shot.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 22 2009,5:40 pm
There is something to be said for somebody who can handle a situation without killing someone; or even causing a situation to escalate into chaos and disorder.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 22 2009,5:49 pm
Was this the cop from Stephen King's Desperation? Jebus fugging Christ.Cops that unnecessarily kill civilians should be given an automatic death penalty, from a cop firing squad. THAT would send a message.
Posted by Wolfie on Jul. 22 2009,5:50 pm
Did you people miss the part where the 24 year old fought with the cop and pinned him to the ground. If the cop had not used his gun to defend himself and he was killed would the story be any less tragic. Not in the least. Life is a series of choices some are good and some are bad. The 24 year old made several bad choice as did the officer. The 24 year old made more bad choices and paid for those bad choices. Its not a case of ego its a case of training, cops are trained to make sure no matter what that they go home at the end of their shift so they can do their job another day.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 22 2009,7:26 pm
I don't know Wolfie? When I reread the article without looking for any updates in the media, I have to ask why.I'd have to be making alot of assumptions to think the officer was justified. I read he was in plain clothes and an unmarked car. Further the girl in the car claimed he never identified himself as an officer. The victim was unarmed. Yet he feared for his live enough to justify a shooting?
Either way, it's highly unlikely the cop will do long term time.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 22 2009,9:00 pm
Is it any surprise Wolfie is on the wrong side of an issue once again. This dipstick can't get anything right. It's all over the news the cop never identified himself and he was in street clothes with his own car.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 22 2009,9:08 pm
(Paul Harvey @ Jul. 22 2009,9:00 pm)
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Is it any surprise Wolfie is on the wrong side of an issue once again. This dipstick can't get anything right. It's all over the news the cop never identified himself and he was in street clothes with his own car.
I have to agree with TrollBoy on this one. Any cop in this circumstance should have phoned for an on-duty officer in a patrol car to attend to this, and simply monitored the guys whereabouts from a distance.
But no. This glory hole has to be a fugging hero. And now some kid's dad is dead, when he clearly didn't have to be.
This 'hero' cop was not equipped to handle all possible outcomes in his civvies and his own car.
I hope he never wears the badge again.
Posted by countryboy on Jul. 22 2009,10:17 pm
(Wolfie @ Jul. 22 2009,5:50 pm)
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Did you people miss the part where the 24 year old fought with the cop and pinned him to the ground. If the cop had not used his gun to defend himself and he was killed would the story be any less tragic. Not in the least. Life is a series of choices some are good and some are bad. The 24 year old made several bad choice as did the officer. The 24 year old made more bad choices and paid for those bad choices. Its not a case of ego its a case of training, cops are trained to make sure no matter what that they go home at the end of their shift so they can do their job another day.
There is absolutely no reason for deadly force in this case. This officer was way out of line, last I checked the taser works well. The officer shot and killed a kid that just finished man handling him, kid was shot cuz the officers pride was hurt. The officer is and absolute pusky and deserves to rot in jail.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 22 2009,10:54 pm
(Wolfie @ Jul. 22 2009,5:50 pm)
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Its not a case of ego its a case of training, cops are trained to make sure no matter what that they go home at the end of their shift so they can do their job another day.
I thought their main goal was to serve and protect, but I always here people say the biggest thing for them is looking out for number one. If another kid gets killed because of it, hey, who cares unless it's someone in YOUR family.
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If the cop had not used his gun to defend himself and he was killed would the story be any less tragic.
With what? The kid wrestled him to the ground, and instead of taking a blow to his pride, and arresting the kid for assault once he was let up, he shot several times, killing the kid, putting a bullet in a nearby wall, and hitting an innocent girl in the leg. I think that proves that if ANYONE is a danger to the public, it's the COP.
I can't think of a single time I've heard of a legally armed private citizen who had misplaced bullets damage property and hurt innocent people. It's not uncommon for police to in their shootings though. And yet many people believe that only police are capable of having and carrying firearms. Go figure...
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Life is a series of choices some are good and some are bad. The 24 year old made several bad choice as did the officer. The 24 year old made more bad choices and paid for those bad choices.
The biggest difference is the 24 year old is dead, and the cop is on a paid vacation.
Posted by ICU812 on Jul. 22 2009,11:00 pm
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but I always here people say the biggest thing for them is looking out for number one.
Here? And you wanna be a moderator.
Posted by ICU812 on Jul. 22 2009,11:02 pm
And yes, the 24 yr old shold be breathing today. Sorry he is not.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 23 2009,1:21 am
The only kind of person who wants to be a moderator is one who shouldn't be one. No sane and normal person should want to be a moderator.
Posted by nosale on Jul. 23 2009,8:16 am
You need to know that this 24 year old has quite a history of violent offenses. I'm not saying he deserved to be shot and killed.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 23 2009,8:49 am
(ICU812 @ Jul. 22 2009,11:00 pm)
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but I always here people say the biggest thing for them is looking out for number one.
Here? And you wanna be a moderator.
Sometimes I need to start proofreading twice.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 23 2009,2:07 pm
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You need to know that this 24 year old has quite a history of violent offenses. I'm not saying he deserved to be shot and killed.
That's exactly what you're saying or you wouldn't have said it short bus. Beep beep...he comes the bus.
Posted by nosale on Jul. 23 2009,2:29 pm
Well, since you're so smart PH what does this guy think of his son?Hmmmmmmm, maybe that he didn't amount to jack squat?
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Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 23 2009,2:46 pm
Huh?
Posted by nosale on Jul. 23 2009,2:57 pm
look at this tard riding his bike to da short bus 
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Posted by Liberal on Jul. 23 2009,3:09 pm
You seem to have a bit of a crush.
Posted by Joe The Plumber on Jul. 23 2009,5:25 pm
NOSALE , You get the " HUMOR " poster of the year award. Keep it up , we need more laughs and funny humor in this boring and stuck up world. 
Posted by Liberal on Jul. 23 2009,5:55 pm
Posted by Joe The Plumber on Jul. 23 2009,10:59 pm
Bad Cops , Bad Cops , what you gonna do when they come looking for you. 
Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 24 2009,6:23 am
Nothing will ever happen to this cop. It'll be deemed justified. Too many police apologists like irisheyes around. In their eyes these cops can kill anyone if their manhood is threatened.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 24 2009,10:34 am
Furthermore, John Bunnell will narrate a re-enactment that makes the cop look like a hero. I can see it now.The kid may have deserved to go to jail. He clearly did not deserve to die. Deadly force is an instrument of last resort. If the cop didn't have in his possession the intermediate measures necessary to subdue an uncooperative subject, he should have waited for someone who did before initiating an arrest.
This doesn't sound like the behaviour of a 'seasoned' member of a police force, unless you're talking about the donut-eating morons that make up the ALPD.
Posted by Paul Harvey on Jul. 24 2009,12:41 pm
He was the drug cop. End of story.This guy made his income, derived his pride and substance as a human being by voicing his hatred for "druggies". It is this mind set that allows him to take another life. In short, this guy beleived all the hype he was told hiis whole life. From parents, to DARE, to school, to society, to Ronald Reagan, everbody taught this cop young druggies aren't worthy of having their own lives and thus are fair game to dance with the police muzzle. WE made this cop what he became and must share some blame.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 24 2009,1:07 pm
If what you're saying is more than simple bias and conjecture (and you don't have a long track record of doing the opposite; hence my apprehension) then this cop, and any other cop who goes into any given law enforcement situation thinking he or she is dealing with second-class citizens, trouble lies ahead - for everyone.All citizens, no matter how misguided their actions, deserve due process and fair treatment.
Cops have to deal with some really stupid people on a daily basis. That gets old, really fast. Still, that, plus maybe having a bad day to boot, does not excuse this kind of outrage.
This cop did not have the tools to adequately subdue this subject, should he become belligerent or combative. He had a gun, but that was it. No tazer, no nightstick, no mace, just a gun. That doesn't leave too many options if the arrest goes south.
As I mentioned before, he should have waited for back-up, someone in a patrol car, in uniform, with a tazer and a nightstick and mace and so on. He didn't need to be a hero. What was the worst-case scenario implied by waiting for a black-and-white? The kid goes into his apartment? The cop had the vehicle in plain sight - it wasn't going anywhere.
He screwed up, and showed extremely bad judgment, and now someone is dead, missed by his loved ones, perhaps.
This cop should lose his badge over this. I imagine many police officers and sheriff's deputies disagree.
A long time ago, there was a robbery out at the Skyline Mall. The suspects fled in a vehicle, and there was Gene Seuser, sitting on his fat ass behind his cruiser, discharging his service revolver at the suspect vehicle. What did he hope to accomplish? Was robbery an offense that now warrants a death sentence?
Another time, Officer Bradley Hammer discovers his wife in the Holiday Inn pool with another man, a not-so distant ancestor of mine. Upon seeing this, he discharges his service revolver into the ceiling of the pool. Was this the calm, 'seasoned' behaviour of an officer of the law?
Sometime later, Deputy Ronnie G. Deckard is mad at his adult son, and, while on duty, proceeds to Mower County, and assaults his kid with his 5-cell MagLite flashlight. Was this proper behaviour for a sworn public servant?
It's history like this that makes me believe more and more that the entire system of law enforcement needs an overhaul, lest we tumble into a world where there are less 'protect and serve' cops, and more government-sanctioned jack-booted thugs.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 24 2009,4:52 pm
(Paul Harvey @ Jul. 24 2009,6:23 am)
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Nothing will ever happen to this cop. It'll be deemed justified. Too many police apologists like irisheyes around. In their eyes these cops can kill anyone if their manhood is threatened.
Okay, I'll bite. Where did you get this idea from? I don't think anyone in this thread has been more critical of the police than me.
Posted by hymiebravo on Jul. 28 2009,9:50 pm
That spokesman for (the BCA was it?) looked awfully familiar. Didn't he used to be newsguy/reporter in the Twin Cities?