Forum: Current Events Topic: July 4th Finishing date for Courthouse started by: minnow Posted by minnow on Feb. 13 2004,11:11 pm
Isn't it just perfect...we'll celebrate the national day of freedom by how many people we'll be able in incarcerate!Ain't that America for you and me....Little pink houses for... Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 14 2004,12:05 am
I wonder if GEO with his statisical gathering prowness would feel like comparing Cop to population for this city and county compared to the norm in MN, or even the U.S. Is it just me or do we have a higher than normal ratio? ![]() ![]() Posted by minnow on Feb. 14 2004,2:08 am
When I think of how Geo's ranted on his own private drug war...then his war to save his own drugs, it reminds me of this famous quote---->"In Germany they came first for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me--and by that time no one was left to speak up." Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 14 2004,9:30 am
I agree that there is no difference between Prohibition, which failed miserably and only made gangsters and dirty politicians (and dirty cops) rich, and the current attempt to control drugs. At least your favorite. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted by minnow on Feb. 14 2004,11:34 pm
Let's put drugs in perspective shall we...Switzerland's Addiction Research Institute calls tobacco the number one killer addiction, responsible for 71 percent, or 4.9 million of the world's 7 million annual drug-related deaths. About 1.8 million deaths, or 26 percent, were attributed to the use of alcohol, while illicit drugs caused about 223,000, or 3 percent, of all worldwide drug-related deaths. Hello...anyone home? Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 15 2004,2:02 pm
I believe that in a perfect world, noone would use mood altering drugs of any kind. But here in the real world, education and treatment are the only real tools we have to keep people from using. Incarceration does not really work. Moreover we spending our future stopping products that could be taxed on programs that don't change anything. Yesterday's bootlegger became today's big employer and we even had the son of one become a great President. Why are we throwing millions of people in jail because they want to use something that others don't? It won't stop it. It enriches criminals and law enforcement, and impovershes the rest of us with more and more taxes.
Posted by minnow on Feb. 15 2004,2:25 pm
I believe that in a perfect world, noone would use mood altering drugs of any kind. ---->Why?But here in the real world, education and treatment are the only real tools we have to keep people from using---->Using what? What if we invented a drug that not only made you live longer and made you healthier, but also gave you a buzz as well? What's wrong with that? The overwhelming majority of americans are on drugs at any one time. Why is it inherently bad to use mood altering drugs? I swear, sometimes I really feel like packing up and heading to Europe where I can gt away from insane hypocrites like Geo. Here he wants kids who try meth even once to get a life sentence, no parole. Yet at the same time wants the worlds deadliest adn most additive drug legal in public spaces. When a rational person thinks about it, well, it's just insane. Posted by MrTarzan on Feb. 15 2004,3:48 pm
I guess I feel the way that I do because I get a rush naturally on life. I don't feel a need to stay high on anything. Yes if they had a drug with no harmful side effects that would help me live longer and feel great, like many I would probably use it for the long life part. I usually feel great just breathing naturally. I did not say it was inherently bad. Humans have done it without fear of arrest for most of history. Only now has it become wrong. Even the history channel aired a show about the war on pot that showed it was originally banded only because of illegal immigrants bringing it over and becoming wealthy.I also do not dispute that most Americans, as most of the world use something all the time. It will probably never change. I did not mean to imply that we should be keeping them for using (I believe in freedom of choice) but simply that education so they can make informed descisions is better than jail. I believe jails should be limited to locking up those that would physically harm others or their property, instead of letting them out to lock up users and their suppliers (who are no different then bootleggers were) letting the strong arm criminals like the ones that robbed the dominos man go free on work release because of over crowding. I agree that it is a little insane ;) Posted by minnow on Feb. 15 2004,4:07 pm
We were just sold...no forced a $40,000,000 Jail and Harig has already blew his annual budget already after month 2. All told we'll spend $60 million at just the LOCAL level. Much more at the state and federal level.And do you remember why? Drugs and meth... Even though those offenders go to prison and not county jails. Drugs are being harvested as a way to justify outrageous government spending. It's either do it for "the children" or do it to stop drugs. It's all BS. ![]() ![]() And I'm the BS snifter. ![]() ![]() Posted by Truth on Apr. 13 2004,3:42 am
You're the B.S. something.If illict drugs only account for 3% of those eliminated from the earth per year than we should ban them as an effective population control. Either way they suck. Face it Mini. |