Topic: Walker protest
started by: Self-Banished
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 18 2015,11:31 am
Monday, Presidents' Day, Union members took up signs and proceeded to protest an what they thought was Scott Walkers residence. But it seems that union members are lacking in intelligence and protested the wrong house, the house they terrorized was that of Walkers parents.< http://dailycaller.com/2015...s-house >
Wow
and 
Posted by grassman on Feb. 18 2015,1:55 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 18 2015,11:31 am)
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Monday, Presidents' Day, Union members took up signs and proceeded to protest an what they thought was Scott Walkers residence. But it seems that union members are lacking in intelligence and protested the wrong house, the house they terrorized was that of Walkers parents.
< http://dailycaller.com/2015...s-house >
Wow and
< http://dailycaller.com/2015...s-house >
Wow
and Wrong residence? Maybe not, they could be protesting what they did some years ago. After all they started it!
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 18 2015,3:12 pm
^^started what?
Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 18 2015,3:17 pm
Must be referring to the seed that grew a mighty oak.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2015,6:17 am
Here's an alcoholic for Alky to watch 
< http://youtu.be/-bZk42SiPDk >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2015,7:51 am
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Must be referring to the seed that grew a mighty oak.
I like that, mighty oak.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2015,9:16 am
Hmmm, looks like Wis getting ready to turn the screws to the unions.< http://m.startribune.com/politics/national/293662541.html >
Posted by grassman on Feb. 24 2015,9:55 am
Funny how most of these right to work states have the same relatives. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 24 2015,1:08 pm
^^^so nothing more thoughtful on the subject? Just family photos
Posted by irisheyes on Feb. 24 2015,1:33 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 18 2015,11:31 am)
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Monday, Presidents' Day, Union members took up signs and proceeded to protest an what they thought was Scott Walkers residence.
Two minutes on Google shows that it IS HIS house. The article that they quote shows pictures in front of Walker's house, and saying that it's Walker's house. But naturally Brietbart, dailymailer, and Fox decided to listen to Walker instead.
< Local news story with pictures. > < This is the story and photos conservatives quoted, showing Walker's House.
< Surprise, mostly conservative media believed it. >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2015,5:48 am
It comes down to simple harrassment, protest him all you want, at the capital, governors residence, etc. stay the hell away from anyone's home for that sh!t 
The protesters are nothing more than cowardly thugs.
Looks like they'll get their due today
Posted by grassman on Feb. 25 2015,6:01 am
SB, wasn't the whole point of this thread, they are too stupid too protest the right house? Did they protest the wrong house? 
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2015,8:13 am
They protested a private residence, still the wrong house.I suppose I'm splitting hairs but it comes down to ethics and unions have no ethics.
Besides, when's the last time a thread on here stayed true the original topic?
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 25 2015,8:43 am
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unions have no ethics
And corporations and politicians do?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 25 2015,9:02 am
^are you lumping them all together??
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2015,6:21 am
Walk was comparing unions to ISIS,< http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content...rs-isis >
Posted by irisheyes on Feb. 27 2015,10:28 pm
Admitting that you've been proven wrong would be one option, but I guess changing the subject is another way to handle it. 
S.B.
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It comes down to simple harrassment, protest him all you want, at the capital, governors residence, etc. stay the hell away from anyone's home
It seemed pretty simple before, you (and Fox, Brietbart, and dailycaller) claimed they had the wrong house, and you went a step further questioning their intelligence to make that mistake.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2015,12:40 am
^^^ no, I don't care who it is, you don't harrass a person in their own home.
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 28 2015,4:41 pm
Your douchenozzle hero is racking up quite a legacy already...
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 28 2015,6:39 pm
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Your douchenozzle hero is racking up quite a legacy already...
EAT THAT SCAB BOYS
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2015,8:13 pm
Oh you're just licking Union wounds We'll give wis. Awhile now that it's a right to work state.
Been out drinking with Alky lately???
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 01 2015,2:10 am
^In other words, "I'm going to ignore the data until it lines up with my argument." and
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 01 2015,3:21 am
So it's ok to invade someone's privacy, to harass and terrorize, all in the name of the union. These protests, be it the right house or not, I don't really give a sh!t, are a big reason I loath unions.Nothing more than a bunch of cowardly thugs.
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 05 2015,3:29 pm
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< Wisconsin Assembly debate begins on right-to-work bill >
Wisconsin lawmakers on Thursday began a final debate on a measure supported by Republican Governor Scott Walker that would prohibit private-sector workers from being required to join a union or pay dues when working under union contracts.
Walker, a presidential hopeful, is expected to sign the right-to-work bill on Monday if it gets to his desk after what could be a 24-hour session in the state Assembly.
Wisconsin lawmakers on Thursday began a final debate on a measure supported by Republican Governor Scott Walker that would prohibit private-sector workers from being required to join a union or pay dues when working under union contracts.
Walker, a presidential hopeful, is expected to sign the right-to-work bill on Monday if it gets to his desk after what could be a 24-hour session in the state Assembly.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 05 2015,6:02 pm
^^well how about that?
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 06 2015,8:24 am
It's heavy-handed and wrong for Wisconsin to inject government into these private contractual relationships that have worked well for both workers and private companies for decades.What we are witnessing in Wisconsin is the Republican true nature to attack the working class while enriching the upper 1% at the expense of economic viability.
In the years to come Wisconsin shall take it’s place alongside other red state as a low wage economic disaster depending on food stamps and welfare to support it low wage populace.
The Republican platform is a disaster for Capitalism!
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 06 2015,10:06 am
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< Wisconsin Assembly passes right-to-work bill after 19 hours of debate >
isconsin lawmakers voted along party lines Friday to make their state the 25th to enact right-to-work legislation, pushing a fast-tracked bill through the Assembly after an overnight debate and sending it on to Gov. Scott Walker for his promised signature..
Still stinging from Walker's signature 2011 law that stripped most public workers of nearly all their union rights, Democrats railed against the bill through the night. One after another, they delivered rambling speeches in which they tried to persuade Republicans to send the bill back to a committee for revision.
isconsin lawmakers voted along party lines Friday to make their state the 25th to enact right-to-work legislation, pushing a fast-tracked bill through the Assembly after an overnight debate and sending it on to Gov. Scott Walker for his promised signature..
Still stinging from Walker's signature 2011 law that stripped most public workers of nearly all their union rights, Democrats railed against the bill through the night. One after another, they delivered rambling speeches in which they tried to persuade Republicans to send the bill back to a committee for revision.
Next?
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 06 2015,11:17 am
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The Republican platform is a disaster for Capitalism!
Be specific. There are three kinds of Capitalism: Free-market, well-regulated and crony.
By their own actions, Republicans (and a lot of Democrats) do not care about long-term economic growth, or losses thereto in the long term. Only short-term profits matter. It's been that way since Reagan. The Walkers of the world know that they'll be long dead by the time these chickens come home to roost. The one percent has theirs, and to Hell with the rest of us.
A well-paid working class IS the tide that raises all boats, but try to convince these greedy bastards of that.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 06 2015,11:18 am
(Expatriate @ Mar. 06 2015,8:24 am)
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It's heavy-handed and wrong for Wisconsin to inject government into these private contractual relationships that have worked well for both workers and private companies for decades.
What we are witnessing in Wisconsin is the Republican true nature to attack the working class while enriching the upper 1% at the expense of economic viability.
In the years to come Wisconsin shall take it’s place alongside other red state as a low wage economic disaster depending on food stamps and welfare to support it low wage populace.
The Republican platform is a disaster for Capitalism!
What we are witnessing in Wisconsin is the Republican true nature to attack the working class while enriching the upper 1% at the expense of economic viability.
In the years to come Wisconsin shall take it’s place alongside other red state as a low wage economic disaster depending on food stamps and welfare to support it low wage populace.
The Republican platform is a disaster for Capitalism!
All that happened in Wis is an end to extortion, plain and simple. If the unions are so great why do they have to rely on coercion to keep their membership? The unions need to revamp their philosophy, actually provide a service to their ranks and not be the lazy thugs they are.
Maddog is right, who's next???
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 06 2015,12:12 pm
(Expatriate @ Feb. 28 2015,6:39 pm)
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(Botto 82 @ Feb. 28 2015,4:41 pm)
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Your douchenozzle hero is racking up quite a legacy already...
EAT THAT SCAB BOYS
Two very different approaches.
One is taking less from those who've earned it moving the line closer to a fair tax system than Minnesota. Hopefully the deficit this has created will lead to major cuts to non-essential wants or needs. Easier to cut the fat from Government when you have less then it is when you are flush like Minnesota. I look at Walker's strategy as more of a long term solution in reducing the size of Government and a retooling needs to occur to accomplish this. Imo.
The other doesn't look at what we can do without, but feels it's the governments duty to take more from some people to feed their spending addictions.
You should note that Wisconsin has a Moody's rating on their GO bonds of Aa2 vs Minnesota's Aa1. As recently as November 2014 they changed the outlook from Stable to Positive. Not as big of a divide as the picture above would lead you to believe. They also go onto state the reason for the change is due to an improved budget trend and limited pressure from pensions. Not to mention that Wisconsin has experienced their strongest Tax Collections since 2006 despite the tax cuts.
Each side can make a strong argument why one is better than the other. In my opinion, the citizens always win when the government operates with less and the people keep more of what they've earned. When it comes to who can manage money better, I will take the citizens over their government any day. Call me naive and I would probably say the same of you if you placed your trust more in the government as the liberals here lead everyone to believe.
The reason our incomes are higher in Minnesota vs. Wisconsin? Do the libs really feel the need to give credit to the government? You guys should learn to take more credit for yourselves and give credit where credit is due. Minnesotans have always been an above average people.
Nuff said...
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 06 2015,1:20 pm
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It's heavy-handed and wrong for Wisconsin to inject government into these private contractual relationships that have worked well for both workers and private companies for decades.
What we are witnessing in Wisconsin is the Republican true nature to attack the working class while enriching the upper 1% at the expense of economic viability.
In the years to come Wisconsin shall take it’s place alongside other red state as a low wage economic disaster depending on food stamps and welfare to support it low wage populace.
The Republican platform is a disaster for Capitalism!
What we are witnessing in Wisconsin is the Republican true nature to attack the working class while enriching the upper 1% at the expense of economic viability.
In the years to come Wisconsin shall take it’s place alongside other red state as a low wage economic disaster depending on food stamps and welfare to support it low wage populace.
The Republican platform is a disaster for Capitalism!
I agree. And those who are constantly disparaging government intervention suddenly change their tune when their precious corporate interests are threatened.
Wisconsin politicians submit to corporate pressure once more. It is they who dwell in the lower regions, lower than the cheap labor scabs, both whom seem intent on driving the middle class closer to their dog-eat-dog mentallity.
Corporations use cheap labor/whore politicians as tools for their gain. In Russia it's called Maskirovka-“little masquerade”---lies, half-truths, intimidation. Putin uses it to invade and acquire wealth and control. US corporations use it likewise. Sadly some unions join the fray.
Caught in the middle of this corporate/union battle are workers who may have no allegiance to either. Are we doomed to a life as a low paid tool, whether union or not?
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 06 2015,1:34 pm
^No. Go out and start a business. Become self-employed or an independent contractor. Create your own destiny. More minorities coming to this country become business owners than the people who were born and raised here. Many of them start from nothing.
You only allow "the man" to rule you if you let them. Take them out of the equation.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 06 2015,1:49 pm
Pretty good read< http://www.heritage.org/researc...-states >
Posted by grassman on Mar. 06 2015,3:29 pm
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^No. Go out and start a business. Become self-employed or an independent contractor. Create your own destiny.
More minorities coming to this country become business owners than the people who were born and raised here. Many of them start from nothing.
You only allow "the man" to rule you if you let them. Take them out of the equation.
More minorities coming to this country become business owners than the people who were born and raised here. Many of them start from nothing.
You only allow "the man" to rule you if you let them. Take them out of the equation.
Really, 300,000,000 businesses. That would be dog eat dog now wouldn't it.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 07 2015,2:23 am
^ I was about to say the same. And why must a general labor choice be a path of low wage? It could be one reason for low wages for common labor is a by-product of the "get educated" obsession. No matter the career one chooses dog-eat-dog is waiting. The flesh eating"walkers" rule the day.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2015,4:48 am
^^so you think the unions will protect you from this? Laughable.I've been an independent all my life and much to Expat and Alky's chagrin, I make a very nice living
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 07 2015,7:17 am
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(Common Citizen @ Mar. 06 2015,1:34 pm)
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^No. Go out and start a business. Become self-employed or an independent contractor. Create your own destiny.
More minorities coming to this country become business owners than the people who were born and raised here. Many of them start from nothing.
You only allow "the man" to rule you if you let them. Take them out of the equation.
More minorities coming to this country become business owners than the people who were born and raised here. Many of them start from nothing.
You only allow "the man" to rule you if you let them. Take them out of the equation.
Really, 300,000,000 businesses. That wood be dog eat dog now wouldn't it.
Yep. You forgot independent contracting too. I know that's not realistic and I totally get that it's easier for most to get a general labor job and spend the rest of their life bitching about low wages and how they're treated by evil corporations then it is to start their own business. Taking responsibility for change is a lot of work for some. So much work in fact that they keep doing what they hate and point fingers at others for their lot in life.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 07 2015,7:22 am
I know a guy who came here in his 30's with $100 in his pocket and homeless (not to mention he was a minority). He didn't know anyone when he arrived. He didn't spend his days bitching about "the man". He eventually got a job washing dishes at a restaurant. Now he owns 10 Fed Ex trucks and is starting an insurance agency.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 07 2015,7:34 am
That wouldn't be sb, now would it? 
I am not arguing that it is possible. It is not possible for everyone. Facts are facts, the wage of the labor force have been in stagnation for 40 years while the profits of the top have skyrocketed. You can spin, it bake it, fry it, deep freeze it, and ship it to Mars. It is still a FACT!!!
You just look around at some of the "stuff" the top spend their "hard earned money" on. It is like, how can I piss away some dough today?I know someone who was in management for a pretty large company. He went to a training seminar once where they said to keep labor hungry. It keeps them coming to work.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2015,7:54 am
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That wouldn't be sb, now would it?
I am not arguing that it is possible. It is not possible for everyone. Facts are facts, the wage of the labor force have been in stagnation for 40 years while the profits of the top have skyrocketed. You can spin, it bake it, fry it, deep freeze it, and ship it to Mars. It is still a FACT!!! You just look around at some of the "stuff" the top spend their "hard earned money" on. It is like, how can I piss away some dough today?
I am not arguing that it is possible. It is not possible for everyone. Facts are facts, the wage of the labor force have been in stagnation for 40 years while the profits of the top have skyrocketed. You can spin, it bake it, fry it, deep freeze it, and ship it to Mars. It is still a FACT!!!
You just look around at some of the "stuff" the top spend their "hard earned money" on. It is like, how can I piss away some dough today?No, not me, I was born here.
I met an interesting person yesterday, a Somali, (yes, I know but this one's different) he owns 6 trucks, speaks English quite well and came to this country 15 years ago with nothing more than himself. He truly is an example of what can be achieved with hard work. He wants to add 4 more trucks this year and what I found hilarious is that he doesn't want to hire any Somalis, only white men (he said it, not me)
Not possible for everyone? Bullsh!t! But suppose not everyone gets to go home and boink the prom queen.
Yes, the rich have been getting richer, a rising stock market does that. So Buster's had over 6 years to improve the working man's plight and all he done is to make the rich richer
All Buster's been able to do is flap his gums and have agencies put out "fluffy" numbers.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 07 2015,8:05 am
Wait now, what exactly did Reagan, Bush, and Bush do for the working man. Once again, you miss the point. It is absolutely correct that anyone can be successful. I am happy for you. What is not possible is for everyone to start up their own business and succeed. What value would that put on your business if there was twenty of the same on one block? It would be a collapse of everyone.
This still does not condone keeping the labor force at low wage and benefit.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2015,8:18 am
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Wait now, what exactly did Reagan, Bush, and Bush do for the working man.
Once again, you miss the point. It is absolutely correct that anyone can be successful. I am happy for you. What is not possible is for everyone to start up their own business and succeed. What value would that put on your business if there was twenty of the same on one block? It would be a collapse of everyone.
This still does not condone keeping the labor force at low wage and benefit.
Once again, you miss the point. It is absolutely correct that anyone can be successful. I am happy for you. What is not possible is for everyone to start up their own business and succeed. What value would that put on your business if there was twenty of the same on one block? It would be a collapse of everyone.
This still does not condone keeping the labor force at low wage and benefit.
When you have lots of competition you just got to be better, put out a superior product. But as I've said many, many times "life's tough buttercup"
Union workers are no better than welfare recipients, "whine and gimme more"
I made a lot of money during Reagan's terms
Posted by grassman on Mar. 07 2015,8:21 am
Good for you! I lost a couple of bucks an hour.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2015,8:28 am
^^^really? What'd you do about it?
Posted by grassman on Mar. 07 2015,8:42 am
I eventually moved on as quite a few did. We had one of the best labor forces. Now you look across the board, a whole lot of immigrants, some illegal, doing what we did. Now with every action, there is a reaction. Who's fault is the surge in illegal aliens, really? You and your mind set caused it. Shameful.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 07 2015,4:11 pm
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I eventually moved on as quite a few did. We had one of the best labor forces. Now you look across the board, a whole lot of immigrants, some illegal, doing what we did. Now with every action, there is a reaction. Who's fault is the surge in illegal aliens, really? You and your mind set caused it. Shameful.
The market is what it is, your labor is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Illegal aliens? That would be Busters department.
As far as you moving on? I had to do the same some thirty plus years ago, get over it.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 08 2015,7:08 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 08 2015,8:07 am
^^feeling a little fuzzy this morning are we?
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 09 2015,10:11 am
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 06 2015,11:18 am)
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All that happened in Wis is an end to extortion, plain and simple. If the unions are so great why do they have to rely on coercion to keep their membership?
Paying dues isn't extortion. Do you think paying your phone bill or homeowners insurance is extortion also?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 09 2015,10:24 am
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 06 2015,11:18 am)
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All that happened in Wis is an end to extortion, plain and simple. If the unions are so great why do they have to rely on coercion to keep their membership?
Paying dues isn't extortion. Do you think paying your phone bill or homeowners insurance is extortion also?
I have a choice to pay my phone bill or home owners ins.
Are you actually comparing Union dues to a business expense??? Wow, you are brainwashed
One has a right to pursue a living, an existence. Being hired by an employer is the choice of the employer, having to pay forced dues to an organization just to have a job is extortion, plain and simple.
Again I ask you, if the union is so wonderful, why are dues forced?
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 09 2015,11:21 am
Walker just signed the bill Who's next
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 09 2015,5:28 pm
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Paying dues isn't extortion. Do you think paying your phone bill or homeowners insurance is extortion also?
It is if you don't have a choice.
Paying a phone bill or auto insurance isn't because there is a choice. Utility bills...usually not so much.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 09 2015,6:17 pm
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Paying dues isn't extortion. Do you think paying your phone bill or homeowners insurance is extortion also?
It is if you don't have a choice.
Paying a phone bill or auto insurance isn't because there is a choice. Utility bills...usually not so much.
Wrong, Home owners insurance is a must if you have a mortgage. You also brought up (SQUIRREL)
auto insurance. It is against the law to drive a car without.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 09 2015,8:38 pm
So not belonging to a union is a crime?
Posted by Marneman on Mar. 11 2015,1:11 am
While I believe and would defend a persons right to protest against the government (whether Fedral, State, or Local), it should be done at a government or public place, not in front of a private residence in a neighborhood whether it was the right house or not. There is a proper place for such protest.
Posted by irisheyes on Mar. 11 2015,8:47 am
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I have a choice to pay my phone bill or home owners ins.
Employees have a choice when they vote to have union representation, people applying for work have a choice of whether they want to apply at those places or the ones that are non-union. Seems like there's lots of choices, you just don't like certain ones.
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Are you actually comparing Union dues to a business expense??? Wow, you are brainwashed
You started a thread repeating a lie that Republicans told you, now you're repeating slogans again (RTW) that the Republicans told you. But you're calling other people brainwashed?
I'm the one who told you the Republicans lied to you about whose house that was, and you still won't admit you're wrong. If you want to talk about brainwashed, time to look in the mirror, buttercup.
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Again I ask you, if the union is so wonderful, why are dues forced?
When you join an organization there is overhead involved, the Chamber of Commerce was one example in the photo I posted. But that's typically a Republican organization, so I'm sure you'll defend them requiring members to pay dues. Go ahead and start telling your customers they can choose which bills to pay, and you still HAVE to provide the service.
Want to prove me wrong, practice what you preach, make your invoices optional for services you've already provided and let us know how you do.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 11 2015,8:56 am
No, nobody tells what to think, I do that for myself very well thankyou😊 it's just not that hard to figure out. Being forced to pay someone to have a job is coercion.Invoices? It's quite simple, no pay, no work.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 12 2015,8:29 pm
Meanwhile, as the dog-eat-doggers are busy chewing on the misfortune of others, these same people enjoy freely the benefits of the hard work of others who put community ahead of personal gain---clean air/water, infrastructure, recreation facilities, health centers, safe food, etc. How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,3:27 am
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Meanwhile, as the dog-eat-doggers are busy chewing on the misfortune of others, these same people enjoy freely the benefits of the hard work of others who put community ahead of personal gain---clean air/water, infrastructure, recreation facilities, health centers, safe food, etc.
How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell.
How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell.
True herd mentality.
There is nothing wrong with this thinking but myself and and many others choose to be a bit more independent, to not live like sheep.
The unions had their time, many years ago. OSHA and wage laws have ensured a safe work place and a minimum wage. If one thinks their is a hazard at their place of work they can call OSHA. If they're not happy with minimum wage(and unless you're fresh out of high school you're making more) they're free to pursue other avenues of work.
But I can't figure out why I would have someone negotiate for me when I'm perfectly able to do it myself.
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 13 2015,7:35 am
^In the words of Benjamin Franklin "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." ~When your Republican ( Corporate Stooges ) talk about deregulation what do you think they’re talking about?
They’d take away everything labor has gain with a stoke of pen in a New York minute! It’s happening today on a state level, you and the other tards cheer them on, oblivious to the fact it’ll actually hurt you too in the long run!
Minimum wage, that’s already on their agenda, several prominent Republicans have called for it’s elimination!
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 13 2015,7:51 am
I don't know exactly how the rich got all butt-hurt about the prosperity of the middle class in the 50's and 60's, but this much is certain: They're not about to let that happen again. Maybe living on a third-world planet is somehow beneficial to the 1%'ers.Whatever the case, SB and his ilk aren't going to mess up their plans, because they think they have a shot at being 1%'ers, too, which is really just wishful thinking, when you get right down to it. They look at you like a Hormel exec looks at a single mom.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,8:43 am
^^wow, are you really that bad off? There are winners and losers in life and many varying degrees in between. You make it sound like there are those at the top and the rest of us are groveling at their feet. Life's pretty damned good if you put some effort into it
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 13 2015,10:06 am
(irisheyes @ Mar. 09 2015,10:11 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 06 2015,11:18 am)
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All that happened in Wis is an end to extortion, plain and simple. If the unions are so great why do they have to rely on coercion to keep their membership?
Paying dues isn't extortion. Do you think paying your phone bill or homeowners insurance is extortion also?
You have a choice whether or not you want a phone or home owners insurance.
Before anyone says you need homeowners insurance that is only if your lender requires it. Even then, you are choosing to purchase a home from a lender that requires it.
IE
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Employees have a choice when they vote to have union representation, people applying for work have a choice of whether they want to apply at those places or the ones that are non-union. Seems like there's lots of choices, you just don't like certain ones.
Did the business owners have a choice in allowing unions to organize in their place of business? After all...we are talking about choices right? Or is that one of those choices you would disagree with.?.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 13 2015,10:48 am
What about auto insurance, it is law that you have to have it on your car to drive it.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 13 2015,11:13 am
(grassman @ Mar. 13 2015,10:48 am)
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What about auto insurance, it is law that you have to have it on your car to drive it.
Yes. But driving a car is a choice.
And technically you could still drive without it. It would be illegal but you still could drive an uninsured car.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,11:28 am
^^it's a choice to own a car or not.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 13 2015,4:33 pm
Taking a job at a certain place is also a choice, who gets to decide which choices are acceptable? If you don't want to work in a union shop, don't apply! You guys seem to pick and choose what choices are ok. Should I go get a job at a restaurant and tell them not to serve liver and onions because I don't really care for the smell?
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 13 2015,5:28 pm
(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2015,3:27 am)
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(stardust14 @ Mar. 12 2015,8:29 pm)
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Meanwhile, as the dog-eat-doggers are busy chewing on the misfortune of others, these same people enjoy freely the benefits of the hard work of others who put community ahead of personal gain---clean air/water, infrastructure, recreation facilities, health centers, safe food, etc.
How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell.
How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell.
True herd mentality.
There is nothing wrong with this thinking but myself and and many others choose to be a bit more independent, to not live like sheep.
The unions had their time, many years ago. OSHA and wage laws have ensured a safe work place and a minimum wage. If one thinks their is a hazard at their place of work they can call OSHA. If they're not happy with minimum wage(and unless you're fresh out of high school you're making more) they're free to pursue other avenues of work.
But I can't figure out why I would have someone negotiate for me when I'm perfectly able to do it myself.
Ah, independent. A belief now much relegated in corner of one's mind. But that's okay. Freedom of religion is our right.
It's interesting to watch libertarians speak of "independence" while many, I suspect, voluntarily participate in capitalist social safety nets like 401ks, IRAs, buy stocks(another form of social capitalism) in corporations, purchase products originating in quasi-fascist/communist/capitalist corrupt countries(but never buy union!!). It reminds one of those coming to this country seeking political asylum, jobs, education, safe communities...and then end up sending money back to dysfunctional corrupt society they fled.
I worked as an "independent" sub-contractor for over 20 yrs. It was tough work but nice. Then some tight @ss new manager thought cheap labor was better. I never belonged to a union and never will. But the alternatives can be seen overseas, and now in this country---stagnant wages, cuts to pensions & health care, and a few elitists owning 40% of this country's wealth.
Anyone yet truly independent won't be for long.
Posted by stardust14 on Mar. 13 2015,5:36 pm
Grassman has got a point. Last I heard there is no forced labor camps here. Only overseas where corporations congregate to cash in.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 13 2015,6:10 pm
(stardust14 @ Mar. 13 2015,5:28 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2015,3:27 am)
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(stardust14 @ Mar. 12 2015,8:29 pm)
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Meanwhile, as the dog-eat-doggers are busy chewing on the misfortune of others, these same people enjoy freely the benefits of the hard work of others who put community ahead of personal gain---clean air/water, infrastructure, recreation facilities, health centers, safe food, etc.
How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell.
How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell.
True herd mentality.
There is nothing wrong with this thinking but myself and and many others choose to be a bit more independent, to not live like sheep.
The unions had their time, many years ago. OSHA and wage laws have ensured a safe work place and a minimum wage. If one thinks their is a hazard at their place of work they can call OSHA. If they're not happy with minimum wage(and unless you're fresh out of high school you're making more) they're free to pursue other avenues of work.
But I can't figure out why I would have someone negotiate for me when I'm perfectly able to do it myself.
Ah, independent. A belief now much relegated in corner of one's mind. But that's okay. Freedom of religion is our right.
It's interesting to watch libertarians speak of "independence" while many, I suspect, voluntarily participate in capitalist social safety nets like 401ks, IRAs, buy stocks(another form of social capitalism) in corporations, purchase products originating in quasi-fascist/communist/capitalist corrupt countries(but never buy union!!). It reminds one of those coming to this country seeking political asylum, jobs, education, safe communities...and then end up sending money back to dysfunctional corrupt society they fled.
I worked as an "independent" sub-contractor for over 20 yrs. It was tough work but nice. Then some tight @ss new manager thought cheap labor was better. I never belonged to a union and never will. But the alternatives can be seen overseas, and now in this country---stagnant wages, cuts to pensions & health care, and a few elitists owning 40% of this country's wealth.
Anyone yet truly independent won't be for long.
I'm 54 years young and I have been raised as an independent and have worked as an independent near all of my life. My "religeon"is capitalism, I practice and preach it everyday. I invest in my equipment and I invest in my retirement. "I" not anyone else's. I hire an investment expert to do this for me. I hire an accountant to keep records and file taxes.
"I" am an independent.
Sure I have people I'm accountable to, customers but we are in agreement as to what services are performed, if not, we don't do business. Any and All contracts can end at anytime, they have and will again, it's the nature of the beast.
My business is not large but it is mine and I live or die by it financially.it's tough work and sometimes long hours and sometimes I don't get paid for my work but I've learned to finesse the system, I've learned the little nuances and most of the time the rewards are quite handsome.
You sound very bitter that you no longer a contractor, maybe you should look at going back to it. I'm gonna take a guess the you are a programmer, fine work and there is plenty of work out there. I know this because I have a very close friend who's been doing this and he's done quit well for himself.
Posted by Common Citizen on Mar. 14 2015,8:12 am
(grassman @ Mar. 13 2015,4:33 pm)
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Taking a job at a certain place is also a choice, who gets to decide which choices are acceptable? If you don't want to work in a union shop, don't apply! You guys seem to pick and choose what choices are ok. Should I go get a job at a restaurant and tell them not to serve liver and onions because I don't really care for the smell?
Pick and choose? Does the business owner get to pick and choose to allow a union in his business?
Now who's picking and choosing. Leave it up to the business owner to decide if a his business should be unionized and I will side with your argument gman.
Posted by grassman on Mar. 14 2015,8:20 am
Wasn't to long ago Volkwagon wanted to open a plant with a union in Tennessee, I believe. The state said they could not have a union. You guys thought that was just great. next
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 14 2015,9:31 am
I have to admit, I thought like SB does for many a year. Even in my most recent job, everyone complains that they don't make enough. Their base wage has not increased since they were hired. I am the only one there making significantly more than they are. Why? Two reasons: I take on much more responsibility, and I asked for raises here and there. When I explain this to my co-workers, they look at me as though I started speaking in some alien tongue. I am my own union.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2015,10:14 am
(Botto 82 @ Mar. 14 2015,9:31 am)
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I have to admit, I thought like SB does for many a year. Even in my most recent job, everyone complains that they don't make enough. Their base wage has not increased since they were hired. I am the only one there making significantly more than they are. Why? Two reasons: I take on much more responsibility, and I asked for raises here and there. When I explain this to my co-workers, they look at me as though I started speaking in some alien tongue.
I am my own union.
I am my own union.
Very good, fending for yourself. The TRUE way this country was built.
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 14 2015,12:17 pm
(grassman @ Mar. 14 2015,8:20 am)
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Wasn't to long ago Volkwagon wanted to open a plant with a union in Tennessee, I believe. The state said they could not have a union. You guys thought that was just great. next
Sorry, the workers voted against allowing the UAW to come in.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 14 2015,2:36 pm
(MADDOG @ Mar. 14 2015,12:17 pm)
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(grassman @ Mar. 14 2015,8:20 am)
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Wasn't to long ago Volkwagon wanted to open a plant with a union in Tennessee, I believe. The state said they could not have a union. You guys thought that was just great. next
Sorry, the workers voted against allowing the UAW to come in.
Probably because their dues would have gone to support the boys in Detroit.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 15 2015,1:26 pm
Interesting site,< http://www.bipps.org/right-t...-states >
Posted by grassman on Mar. 15 2015,9:51 pm
Well, that could be that they maybe jest better stay right thar in thar state because, if they venture outa them thar hills, you gonna be eaten up by the real world!!!! BOO!
Posted by Expatriate on Mar. 18 2015,7:59 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 18 2015,8:04 am
^^Wow! Truly thoughtful^^
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 18 2015,8:20 am
Well, some of his favorite words are "I" and "me."
Posted by grassman on Mar. 18 2015,9:11 am
My earlier post, I forgot this. Ok, how much does an apartment rent for, downtown Albert Lea? How much does an apartment rent for down town New York? Apples to apples right? Both union states!
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 18 2015,10:55 am
(grassman @ Mar. 18 2015,9:11 am)
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My earlier post, I forgot this.
Ok, how much does an apartment rent for, downtown Albert Lea? How much does an apartment rent for down town New York? Apples to apples right? Both union states!
Ok, how much does an apartment rent for, downtown Albert Lea? How much does an apartment rent for down town New York? Apples to apples right? Both union states!
For all you forum readers out there. Here's a warning.
This is what years of frying your eggs in bear grease does to your brain.
Posted by Self-Banished on Mar. 18 2015,11:08 am
^^warning heeded!
Posted by grassman on Mar. 18 2015,12:06 pm
(MADDOG @ Mar. 18 2015,10:55 am)
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(grassman @ Mar. 18 2015,9:11 am)
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My earlier post, I forgot this.
Ok, how much does an apartment rent for, downtown Albert Lea? How much does an apartment rent for down town New York? Apples to apples right? Both union states!
Ok, how much does an apartment rent for, downtown Albert Lea? How much does an apartment rent for down town New York? Apples to apples right? Both union states!
For all you forum readers out there. Here's a warning.
This is what years of frying your eggs in bear grease does to your brain.
What's wrong with bear grease? Better than what you eat!
Posted by Botto 82 on Mar. 18 2015,12:14 pm
Or...
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 20 2015,10:24 am
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< Wisconsin judge declines to block new right-to-work law >
Madison — A judge on Thursday declined to block Wisconsin's new right-to-work law, allowing it to remain in effect while a union lawsuit challenging the statute proceeds.
Dane County Circuit Judge William Foust rejected the request by three unions to grant a temporary injunction blocking the law from being enforced pending the outcome of their legal challenge.
Right-to-work laws prohibit businesses and unions from reaching agreements that require all workers, not just union members, to pay union dues. Twenty-four states other states also have such statutes.
The Wisconsin AFL-CIO, Machinists Local Lodge 1061 in Milwaukee and United Steelworkers District 2 in Menasha say the law amounts to an unconstitutional seizure of union property, since unions now must extend benefits to workers who don't pay dues.
State attorneys say the law is constitutional since it doesn't technically remove a single penny from union accounts. Last year the Indiana Supreme Court rejected two nearly identical challenges to that state's right-to-work law. Those lawsuits alleged that the law unconstitutionally required unions to provide services to nonunion workers without compensation.
Right-to-work supporters say the law gives workers the freedom to choose whether to join a union. Opponents say the law will weaken unions by depriving them of the dues from workers who choose not to pay them, and that this will result in lower wages and fewer employee rights. They say the Republican-backed law is intended to undermine unions' political power because unions tend to vote Democrat.
Republican Gov. Scott Walker, a likely 2016 presidential candidate who made a name for himself by curbing public unions' collective bargaining powers in 2011, signed the right-to-work law on March 9. He initially said he didn't want to pursue, but he quickly signed it after the GOP-led Legislature introduced the measure and passed it within just two weeks.
Madison — A judge on Thursday declined to block Wisconsin's new right-to-work law, allowing it to remain in effect while a union lawsuit challenging the statute proceeds.
Dane County Circuit Judge William Foust rejected the request by three unions to grant a temporary injunction blocking the law from being enforced pending the outcome of their legal challenge.
Right-to-work laws prohibit businesses and unions from reaching agreements that require all workers, not just union members, to pay union dues. Twenty-four states other states also have such statutes.
The Wisconsin AFL-CIO, Machinists Local Lodge 1061 in Milwaukee and United Steelworkers District 2 in Menasha say the law amounts to an unconstitutional seizure of union property, since unions now must extend benefits to workers who don't pay dues.
State attorneys say the law is constitutional since it doesn't technically remove a single penny from union accounts. Last year the Indiana Supreme Court rejected two nearly identical challenges to that state's right-to-work law. Those lawsuits alleged that the law unconstitutionally required unions to provide services to nonunion workers without compensation.
Right-to-work supporters say the law gives workers the freedom to choose whether to join a union. Opponents say the law will weaken unions by depriving them of the dues from workers who choose not to pay them, and that this will result in lower wages and fewer employee rights. They say the Republican-backed law is intended to undermine unions' political power because unions tend to vote Democrat.
Republican Gov. Scott Walker, a likely 2016 presidential candidate who made a name for himself by curbing public unions' collective bargaining powers in 2011, signed the right-to-work law on March 9. He initially said he didn't want to pursue, but he quickly signed it after the GOP-led Legislature introduced the measure and passed it within just two weeks.
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< House votes to kill federal rule to streamline union organizing -- Steve Scalise calls it 'ambush elections' >
WASHINGTON -- The Republican-controlled House Thursday (March 19) approved legislation that would repeal a National Labor Relations Board rule to streamline union efforts to represent employees.
The vote was 232-186, with all 183 Democrats and three Republicans voting no. The bill has already passed the Republican-led Senate, and is headed to the White House, where it is expected to be vetoed by President Barack Obama.
The rule, targeted by the Republican legislation, speeds the process in which unions attempt to represent employees and requires businesses targeted for unionization efforts to provide, when available, emails and telephone numbers for workers.
Rep. John Kline, R-Minn., chair of the House Education and Workforce Committee, said the new rule would make it harder for employers to communicate with workers and would so rush the union organizing efforts as to make it hard for workers to properly consider their options.
"Today, Congress voted to stop an unelected board of bureaucrats from trampling on the rights of America's workers and job creators," Kline said. "The board's ambush election rule will stifle employer free speech, cripple worker free choice, and jeopardize the privacy of workers and their families."
WASHINGTON -- The Republican-controlled House Thursday (March 19) approved legislation that would repeal a National Labor Relations Board rule to streamline union efforts to represent employees.
The vote was 232-186, with all 183 Democrats and three Republicans voting no. The bill has already passed the Republican-led Senate, and is headed to the White House, where it is expected to be vetoed by President Barack Obama.
The rule, targeted by the Republican legislation, speeds the process in which unions attempt to represent employees and requires businesses targeted for unionization efforts to provide, when available, emails and telephone numbers for workers.
Rep. John Kline, R-Minn., chair of the House Education and Workforce Committee, said the new rule would make it harder for employers to communicate with workers and would so rush the union organizing efforts as to make it hard for workers to properly consider their options.
"Today, Congress voted to stop an unelected board of bureaucrats from trampling on the rights of America's workers and job creators," Kline said. "The board's ambush election rule will stifle employer free speech, cripple worker free choice, and jeopardize the privacy of workers and their families."
The house is rockin'
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2015,11:50 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2015,11:55 am
I'm sitting at the BN yard watching trains being switched in. No Conductor, no brakeman. Engineer?? Is that the guy with a remote control box hanging around his neck?Is he Union? Nobody else is around here.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 20 2015,6:45 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2015,8:17 am
^^Elizabeth Warren Now I know for sure you're a retard
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 21 2015,5:59 am
"On Monday, at a fund-raising event in Manhattan for the New York State Republican Party, David Koch told donors that he and his brother, who oversee one of the biggest private political organizations in the country, believed that Mr. Walker was the Republican Party’s best hope for recapturing the White House.
“We will support whoever the candidate is,” said Mr. Koch, according to two people who attended the event. “But it should be Scott Walker.”
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 21 2015,6:07 am
^^cool, good for the Kochs, Walker's not that great, he kinda waffles a bit but he'd be much better than stroke lady 
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 21 2015,6:09 am
Yeah Dumbo Walkers a real jewel, QUOTE
"Walker Criminal Probe to Be "Heard" in Silence
The Wisconsin Supreme Court is slated to take up the "John Doe" criminal investigation of alleged coordination between Friends of Scott Walker and "independent" groups during the tumultuous 2011-2012 recall elections.
The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) has detailed the bipartisan state investigation into the Walker campaign and the secretive big money groups that bankrolled his 2012 recall victory. Wisconsin Club for Growth (WiCFG), headed by Walker campaign manager R.J. Johnson and the “third Koch Brother” Eric O’Keefe, spent at least $9.1 million on Wisconsin's unprecedented recall elections, and funneled almost $10 million more to other politically-active groups, including Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce. Yet, WiCFG, which enjoys tax free status, told the IRS that it spent $0 in political activity during that period.
Prosecutors allege that Walker secretly raised millions for WiCFG from out-of-state donors like Donald Trump and Paul Singer, and allegedly coordinated with WiCFG in order to evade Wisconsin's donor disclosure laws. Talking points prepared for the governor advised him to "stress that donations to WiCFG are not disclosed," and to tell donors "that you can accept corporate contributions and it is not reported."
These dark money schemes left voters completely in the dark about who was truly influencing elections in the state, CMD argued in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Wisconsinites never knew that a Florida-based mining company lobbying for a massive open pit mine in Wisconsin secretly gave $700,000 to WiCFG, nor did they know that John Menard gave $1.5 million to the group, and in turn received at least $1.8 million in tax credits from Walker's job development agency.
The investigation has been halted by a passel of lawyers hired by the groups under investigation and its fate now rests with the Wisconsin's Supreme Court.
In an unprecedented move, the court's right-wing majority decided not to hear oral arguments, in order to protect the defendants against leaks, over the strong objections of the Chief Justice."
The Wisconsin Supreme Court is slated to take up the "John Doe" criminal investigation of alleged coordination between Friends of Scott Walker and "independent" groups during the tumultuous 2011-2012 recall elections.
The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) has detailed the bipartisan state investigation into the Walker campaign and the secretive big money groups that bankrolled his 2012 recall victory. Wisconsin Club for Growth (WiCFG), headed by Walker campaign manager R.J. Johnson and the “third Koch Brother” Eric O’Keefe, spent at least $9.1 million on Wisconsin's unprecedented recall elections, and funneled almost $10 million more to other politically-active groups, including Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce. Yet, WiCFG, which enjoys tax free status, told the IRS that it spent $0 in political activity during that period.
Prosecutors allege that Walker secretly raised millions for WiCFG from out-of-state donors like Donald Trump and Paul Singer, and allegedly coordinated with WiCFG in order to evade Wisconsin's donor disclosure laws. Talking points prepared for the governor advised him to "stress that donations to WiCFG are not disclosed," and to tell donors "that you can accept corporate contributions and it is not reported."
These dark money schemes left voters completely in the dark about who was truly influencing elections in the state, CMD argued in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Wisconsinites never knew that a Florida-based mining company lobbying for a massive open pit mine in Wisconsin secretly gave $700,000 to WiCFG, nor did they know that John Menard gave $1.5 million to the group, and in turn received at least $1.8 million in tax credits from Walker's job development agency.
The investigation has been halted by a passel of lawyers hired by the groups under investigation and its fate now rests with the Wisconsin's Supreme Court.
In an unprecedented move, the court's right-wing majority decided not to hear oral arguments, in order to protect the defendants against leaks, over the strong objections of the Chief Justice."
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 21 2015,6:17 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 21 2015,7:18 am
^^and the lying bitch you support is better?? Keep at it monkey boy if it makes you feel better
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 21 2015,7:50 am
This is the most bleak field of candidates ever, made more so by millions from PAC's.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 24 2015,7:47 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 24 2015,9:00 am
^^Keep drinking the kook aid Dumbass
Posted by grassman on Apr. 24 2015,9:32 am
Quite a winner.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 24 2015,9:41 am
< http://m.host.madison.com/news...ch=true >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 24 2015,12:01 pm
why is it when I type:"Wisconsin receives highest business climate ranking ever in annual Forbes list" @ Forbes search prompt I get no results found? QUOTE
No results for Wisconsin receives highest business climate ranking ever in annual Forbes list
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 24 2015,12:17 pm
I found Forbes List, Minnesota is 9th, Wisconsin is 32nd, you’ve posted some more deceiving Right-wing crap!< http://www.forbes.com/best-st...search: >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 24 2015,2:16 pm
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 24 2015,2:32 pm
The only people I can imagine getting behind this guy are those that are either rich, or think they will be someday. Why morons continue to vote against their own interests is beyond me.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 24 2015,3:59 pm
(Botto 82 @ Apr. 24 2015,2:32 pm)
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The only people I can imagine getting behind this guy are those that are either rich, or think they will be someday. Why morons continue to vote against their own interests is beyond me.
So are you rich or do you think you'll be?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 24 2015,4:55 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 24 2015,5:28 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 25 2015,7:28 am
The two states, neighbors and rivals, provide an excellent dichotomy of the stark differences between Republican and Democratic rule. Both Walker and Dayton were elected in 2010, and the results of their management speak for themselves. “In 2010, both Wisconsin and Minnesota faced similar budget woes and a worrisome economic future amid a national recession. Both are also Midwest states, deeply invested in manufacturing and agricultural economic drivers…Only one governor was successful.”The differences couldn’t be clearer. Two states, two governors. One red, and one blue. One has worked tirelessly to improve the lives of all of his citizens, healed a recession-ravaged economy and turned it into a bustling powerhouse. The other has driven his state into the ground, and unabashedly told his citizens to tighten their belts while giving millions of tax breaks to the biggest corporations and the wealthiest citizens.
Wisconsin’s Governor has taken a page from the traditional Republican Play-book “Trickle Down Economics” it’s played out chapter and verse as it always does, an epic fail! It’s far past time America recognized this and stop letting the Republican Party drag our nation into the mire.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2015,7:53 am
< http://bringmethenews.com/2015...-states >
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 25 2015,8:27 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 25 2015,7:28 am)
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Wisconsin’s Governor has taken a page from the traditional Republican Play-book “Trickle Down Economics” it’s played out chapter and verse as it always does, an epic fail! It’s far past time America recognized this and stop letting the Republican Party drag our nation into the mire.
Morons will still support Walker, and morons will still support Hillary. Stupidest. Electorate. Ever.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 26 2015,5:50 am
^Voters will always choose from the better of the choices on the ballot.I hope we get more choices than Clinton on the Dem side. But look at the state of Wisconsin right now and explain why anyone would consider Walker a good candidate? I mean, I can see if you were a bankruptcy lawyer or ran a business repossessing cars, than Walker would be great for business.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 26 2015,7:39 am
^^ maybe because he's been improving the state after a dem in office for 8 years.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 26 2015,9:39 am
^^^
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 26 2015,9:45 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 26 2015,7:39 am)
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^^ maybe because he's been improving the state after a dem in office for 8 years.
How the screw do you figure?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 26 2015,11:48 am
Expat, clean out your shortsBotto, clean up your language
And numbers don't lie
< http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST550000000000003?data_tool=XGtable >
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 26 2015,8:51 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 26 2015,8:54 pm
You posted more misleading stats!Ever hear of the Great Recession Dumbo, Nationally, the unemployment rate was above 9 percent throughout 2010 !
Any state you run though BLS will show a similar graph spike coming out of Bush’s Great Recession!
Wisconsin has trailed the national average in private-sector job growth since six months after Walker took office.
He fell short of a signature campaign promise to create 250,000 private-sector jobs, Wisconsin ranked 40th nationwide in private-sector job growth in the 12-month period ending in September.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 26 2015,9:47 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 26 2015,11:48 am)
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And numbers don't lie
< http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST550000000000003?data_tool=XGtable >
< http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST550000000000003?data_tool=XGtable >
Interesting that I had trouble recreating that chart for other states or the national stats. Why would that be... The exact URL is in the Epilogue < of this book >!
Maybe numbers don't lie, but the politicians who are giving out those numbers, that's another story.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 26 2015,10:14 pm
(Expatriate @ Apr. 26 2015,8:54 pm)
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You posted more misleading stats!
Ever here of the Great Recession Dumbo, Nationally, the unemployment rate was above 9 percent throughout 2010 !
Any state you run though BLS will show a similar graph spike coming out of Bush’s Great Recession!
Wisconsin has trailed the national average in private-sector job growth since six months after Walker took office.
He fell short of a signature campaign promise to create 250,000 private-sector jobs, Wisconsin ranked 40th nationwide in private-sector job growth in the 12-month period ending in September.
Ever here of the Great Recession Dumbo, Nationally, the unemployment rate was above 9 percent throughout 2010 !
Any state you run though BLS will show a similar graph spike coming out of Bush’s Great Recession!
Wisconsin has trailed the national average in private-sector job growth since six months after Walker took office.
He fell short of a signature campaign promise to create 250,000 private-sector jobs, Wisconsin ranked 40th nationwide in private-sector job growth in the 12-month period ending in September.
yeah, I know, don't use the kook sites, numbers are skewed.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 27 2015,5:45 am
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 27 2015,6:20 am
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 27 2015,6:40 am
Seriously, how could a working person get behind this guy? What could they possibly imagine is in it for them?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 27 2015,8:10 am
Why not? He slapped down the whiney, pigheaded, thug unions.
Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 27 2015,9:42 am
You see...Expat and his fellow libs believe having a $2 billion surplus is something to be proud of. It never occurred to them that our state government overcharged them and their fellow citizens. Rather than send the money back to the people, they choose to give us two birds and a wink, instead. We know Expat wouldn't put up with a local business overcharging him. So you have to ask yourself why he and his friends would put up with it from the government...not only put up with it, but support it.
And as if Governor Dayton isn't greedy enough, he wants to raise gas taxes which will have a direct impact on the poor and middle class in this state.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 27 2015,11:56 am
This taken from SB's post a page or so back. The Madison example.< http://m.host.madison.com/wsj...ch=true >
Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 27 2015,1:26 pm
Walker is criticized by the lunatic leftist for not creating jobs. Now the nut jobs on the left complain when the GOP puts forth a plan to help create jobs. Why are sales taxes on business equipment subsidizing home owners in the first place? And why do local governments shift the burden to the homeowners? Surely they have pork in their budgets. Many things they could do without I'm sure. Shocking concept, I know.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 27 2015,2:27 pm
(grassman @ Apr. 27 2015,11:56 am)
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This taken from SB's post a page or so back. The Madison example.
< http://m.host.madison.com/wsj...ch=true >
< http://m.host.madison.com/wsj...ch=true >
Yeah, it's amazing, damn crack addict loses one supply so they just shift sources
Posted by grassman on Apr. 28 2015,6:09 am
Well as some of you always say, what is given to one must be taken from another. I guess it is better to give to those that have the money, than the ones that don't, right? Taxes have to be paid, govt just decides who gets to pay. Feel warm and fuzzy yet?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2015,6:58 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 28 2015,7:36 am
^^then I guess we'll wait for Walker's indictment, so when is that gonna happen?In the mean time how about stroke lady? If she's found to be guilty of conspiracy should she go down in history like the Rosenbergs?
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 28 2015,6:21 pm
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 29 2015,7:51 am
Election 2016: Choose the crook you dislike the least. America has sunk to a new low.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 29 2015,8:14 am
^^ I hate to point this out to you but we've been doing this for a long time.😵
Posted by Expatriate on May 04 2015,7:32 am
Posted by irisheyes on May 04 2015,8:17 am
Considering how ardent the conservatives are that emails be released, I'm sure they'll start asking eventually. Let's also see how long it takes for them to ask about Ted Cruz's birth certificate and send Sheriff Joe to investigate where he was born. ^Just kidding, these are Republican candidates: email servers, campaign laws, and even Constitutional eligibility requirements won't matter.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 04 2015,8:47 am
(irisheyes @ May 04 2015,8:17 am)
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Considering how ardent the conservatives are that emails be released, I'm sure they'll start asking eventually. Let's also see how long it takes for them to ask about Ted Cruz's birth certificate and send Sheriff Joe to investigate where he was born.
^Just kidding, these are Republican candidates: email servers, campaign laws, and even Constitutional eligibility requirements won't matter.
^Just kidding, these are Republican candidates: email servers, campaign laws, and even Constitutional eligibility requirements won't matter.
If that's the case then you shouldn't have a problem with it since you haven't had one for the past 6-7 years.
Turn that frown upside down, IE.
Posted by Expatriate on May 04 2015,7:08 pm
Posted by Expatriate on May 05 2015,6:53 am
< http://thinkprogress.org/electio...esident >
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2015,8:15 am
(Yawn)
Posted by Expatriate on May 05 2015,8:42 pm
Posted by Expatriate on May 06 2015,7:03 am
Posted by Expatriate on May 07 2015,7:43 am
Posted by Common Citizen on May 09 2015,8:27 am
Posted by Expatriate on May 10 2015,7:50 am
^^Detroit problems are more to do with Corporate malfeasance, unions have no real control over boardroom decisions to move production to Mexico or China!Western capitalism is at a fail point when we let Corporations Detroit our cities, the market economy has become dysfunctional when labor holds no value.
When Corporations disenfranchise large sectors of our population, these people will eventually become advocates for more-extreme change, and we as a country will experience significant social upheaval.
Posted by grassman on May 10 2015,7:54 am
Expat, they want you to believe Labor was making all of the decisions in Motortown.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 10 2015,2:28 pm
So the gov. should force businesses to stay in country? Pay higher wages? What's next, force the customer to buy a product? Oh wait a minute, they already have
Posted by Self-Banished on May 10 2015,2:33 pm
Maybe the U.S. Could buy the plans and tooling for the Yugos
Posted by Expatriate on May 11 2015,5:44 pm
Posted by stardust14 on May 13 2015,1:25 am
"For that some should rule and others be ruled is a thing not only necessary, but expedient; from the hour of their birth, some are marked out for subjection, others for rule..."Aristotle, Politics
"And indeed the use made of slaves and of tame animals is not very different; for both with their bodies minister to the needs of life."
Aristotle, Politics
"...nature herself intimates that it is just for the better to have more than the worse, the more powerful than the weaker; and in many ways she shows, among men as well as among animals, and indeed among whole cities and races, that justice consists in the superior ruling over and having more than the inferior."
Plato, Gorgias
"Slaves, be obedient to the men who are called your masters in this world, with deep respect and sincere loyalty, as you are obedient to Christ: not only when you are under their eye, as if you had only to please men, but because you are slaves of Christ and wholeheartedly do the will of God. Work hard and willingly, but do it for the sake of the Lord and not for the sake of men. You can be sure that everyone, wether a slave or a free man, will be properly rewarded by the Lord for whatever work he has done well. And those of you who are employers, treat your slaves in the same spirit; remembering that they and you have the same Master in heaven and he is not impressed by one person more than another."
ST PAUL: Letter to the Ephesians, 6,5-9
"The prime cause, then, of slavery is sin, which brings man under the dominion of his fellow -- that which does not happen save by the judgment of God, with whom is no unrighteousness, and who knows how to award fit punishments to every variety of offence."
St Augustine, The City of God, 19:15
It is little wonder modern day elites(and local wanna-bes) claiming moral/intellectual/spiritual authority are able to rationalize the subjugation of the "inferior" working-class. They have history's "great thinkers" covering their back.
Posted by Expatriate on May 13 2015,6:49 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 13 2015,6:58 am
How much are Union dues??
Posted by Expatriate on May 14 2015,6:20 am
Most union workers receive benefits, health and retirement that far exceed their nonunion brethren.While it’s true you pay dues, they're relatively cheap when compared to the add compensation and benefits.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2015,11:21 am
^^hmmm, I must be the exceptionThe money I make far exceeds that of a union driver
Posted by grassman on May 14 2015,11:30 am
(Self-Banished @ May 14 2015,11:21 am)
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^^hmmm, I must be the exception
The money I make far exceeds that of a union driver
The money I make far exceeds that of a union driver
I would hope so, most owner operators do.
It's called working for yourself.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2015,12:10 pm
I wonder how much Union dues Brandon Bostian pays?
Posted by Expatriate on May 14 2015,6:16 pm
Posted by MADDOG on May 14 2015,7:46 pm
(Expatriate @ May 14 2015,6:16 pm)
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Sh!ttt. Who told them?
Posted by Moparman on May 16 2015,7:24 am
(Self-Banished @ May 13 2015,6:58 am)
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How much are Union dues??
For me, about 20 minutes a week straight time. Easily returns 20 times that...
Posted by MADDOG on May 16 2015,10:30 am
We'll play a wait and see game in Missouri on RTW legislation. The democrats have been stalling this out.QUOTE
< Missouri Senate shuts down debate to pass 'right-to-work' >
JEFFERSON CITY • Missouri Senate Republicans shut down debate Tuesday to pass a “right-to-work” measure after Democrats filibustered the bill for more than eight hours.
In return, Senate Democrats plan to shut down everything else until the session ends at 6 p.m. Friday.
The Republicans “are the ones who chose the nuclear option,” said Sen. Scott Sifton, D-St. Louis County. The rare measure to shut down debate, known as the previous question, has been used in the Senate only 14 times since 1970. It’s often used in the House.
The Senate’s vote of 21-13 to pass the measure, which would bar unions statewide from collecting fees from nonunion members, means Democrats will make the passage of a bill renewing health care provider taxes very complicated. Those taxes are used to draw matching payments from the federal government for the state’s Medicaid program.
Sifton said Gov. Jay Nixon could call a special session to pass the renewal measure, but bill handler Sen. Dan Brown, R-Rolla, noted that a Republican could stall the vote on the measure just like Democrats did Tuesday on right-to-work.
“I think the Democrats do see we need to do” the tax renewal, Brown said. “It’s not to their advantage to blow it up now.”
The right-to-work measure now heads back to the House, where a similar measure passed 91-64 in February. Both the House and the Senate are shy of the amount needed to override a veto from Nixon — 109 votes in the House and 23 in the Senate. Nixon has said he opposes right-to-work.
Any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill must be reconciled before it is shipped to Nixon’s desk.
JEFFERSON CITY • Missouri Senate Republicans shut down debate Tuesday to pass a “right-to-work” measure after Democrats filibustered the bill for more than eight hours.
In return, Senate Democrats plan to shut down everything else until the session ends at 6 p.m. Friday.
The Republicans “are the ones who chose the nuclear option,” said Sen. Scott Sifton, D-St. Louis County. The rare measure to shut down debate, known as the previous question, has been used in the Senate only 14 times since 1970. It’s often used in the House.
The Senate’s vote of 21-13 to pass the measure, which would bar unions statewide from collecting fees from nonunion members, means Democrats will make the passage of a bill renewing health care provider taxes very complicated. Those taxes are used to draw matching payments from the federal government for the state’s Medicaid program.
Sifton said Gov. Jay Nixon could call a special session to pass the renewal measure, but bill handler Sen. Dan Brown, R-Rolla, noted that a Republican could stall the vote on the measure just like Democrats did Tuesday on right-to-work.
“I think the Democrats do see we need to do” the tax renewal, Brown said. “It’s not to their advantage to blow it up now.”
The right-to-work measure now heads back to the House, where a similar measure passed 91-64 in February. Both the House and the Senate are shy of the amount needed to override a veto from Nixon — 109 votes in the House and 23 in the Senate. Nixon has said he opposes right-to-work.
Any differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill must be reconciled before it is shipped to Nixon’s desk.
Posted by Botto 82 on May 16 2015,12:07 pm
A prosperous working class is the economic tide that raises all boats. If unions are a means to that end, it baffles the ever-loving crap out of me how any self-proclaimed American could stand against that. Please discuss how much in common you have with some union-busting prep school graduate that makes more in a week than you do in a year, because I could use a good laugh, right about now.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 16 2015,4:22 pm
^^ it's quite simple, Work harder
Work smarter
Posted by Expatriate on May 17 2015,7:39 am
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on May 17 2015,9:10 am
^^I'm not a republicrat but the wallet looks pretty good.
Posted by Expatriate on May 17 2015,5:58 pm
Yeah sure you're not a Republican, and Nixon wasn't a crook either, just keep telling yourself that cause you're the only one who believes it! Posted by Self-Banished on May 17 2015,7:31 pm
(Expatriate @ May 17 2015,5:58 pm)
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Yeah sure you're not a Republican, and Nixon wasn't a crook either, just keep telling yourself that cause you're the only one who believes it!
I believe it because my opinion is the one that counts
You need to realize that there just not that much difference between Dems and repubs
Posted by MADDOG on May 18 2015,9:44 am
(Expatriate @ May 17 2015,5:58 pm)
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Yeah sure you're not a Republican, and Nixon wasn't a crook either, just keep telling yourself that cause you're the only one who believes it!
Ya, you betcha.
Posted by MADDOG on May 18 2015,10:27 am
(Botto 82 @ May 16 2015,12:07 pm)
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A prosperous working class is the economic tide that raises all boats. If unions are a means to that end, it baffles the ever-loving crap out of me how any self-proclaimed American could stand against that. Please discuss how much in common you have with some union-busting prep school graduate that makes more in a week than you do in a year, because I could use a good laugh, right about now.
Raise the boat? Labor unions don't do that anymore. Today's labor unions are more about the bosses and less about the laborer. Labor unions may claim to favor democracy, but it's all about big labor. The biggest problem is once you let a union move in, it's easier to get rid of genital warts than the big money hungry bosses.
But don't worry all you brain-washed union sympathizers. If the union was already in place when you went to work for your company, you can expunge them. It's called de-authorization.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 18 2015,1:53 pm
Name Estimated WealthDarrell Issa (R-Calif) $448,425,019
Mark Warner (D-Va) $254,168,650
John K. Delaney (D-Md) $222,410,577
Jared Polis (D-Colo) $213,224,214
Dave Trott (R-MI) $200,509,228
Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $162,882,467
Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif) $100,864,528
Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn) $99,581,170
Vernon Buchanan (R-Fla) $98,210,549
Scott Peters (D-Calif) $88,344,05
< My Webpage >
Top 10 richest politicians in DC. hmmmm...7 out 10 are (D)onks. Boy don't they have the wool pulled over the loyal little liberals like Expat. baaaaa!
I'd say it's disingenuous for a bleeding heart liberal to label the Republicans as the party of the rich.
Posted by grassman on May 18 2015,2:16 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 17 2015,7:31 pm)
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You need to realize that there just not that much difference between Dems and repubs
You better stop talking like that, MD and CC will go into convulsions. Their party is the backbone of America and does no wrong!!!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 18 2015,2:57 pm
^ small business is the backbone of America.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 18 2015,3:18 pm
(grassman @ May 18 2015,2:16 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ May 17 2015,7:31 pm)
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You need to realize that there just not that much difference between Dems and repubs
You better stop talking like that, MD and CC will go into convulsions. Their party is the backbone of America and does no wrong!!!
I respectfully disagree. I have seen more conservatives bitch about the GOP than I've seen liberals bitch about the Dems in this forum.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 18 2015,5:54 pm
Most Dems like Expat are nothing more than sh!t spewing, koolaid drinking automatons.
Posted by grassman on May 18 2015,6:15 pm
I think if you get over the intensity of his posts and think about it, some of his substance has relevance. Life is dramatic, Buttercup!
Posted by MADDOG on May 18 2015,9:34 pm
(grassman @ May 18 2015,2:16 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ May 17 2015,7:31 pm)
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You need to realize that there just not that much difference between Dems and repubs
You better stop talking like that, MD and CC will go into convulsions. Their party is the backbone of America and does no wrong!!!
Agreed CC. The current R's are about as close to what the GOP was as the libbies are to the days gone by of the Dems. SB is right. Small business is the backbone of America.
Posted by Expatriate on May 19 2015,7:08 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 19 2015,8:12 am
^ I could actually live with thatBut I think DC's population might get sparse.
Posted by Expatriate on May 20 2015,12:06 pm
Posted by Expatriate on May 22 2015,7:10 am
Posted by grassman on May 22 2015,7:22 am
Was a regular party boy in college?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 22 2015,10:31 am
^^ isn't photoshop fun
Posted by grassman on May 22 2015,6:09 pm
Sure?
Posted by Expatriate on May 23 2015,6:42 pm
WHICH ROAD DID SB TAKE??
Posted by Self-Banished on May 24 2015,5:33 am
Sorry, no drugs
Posted by Expatriate on May 24 2015,8:23 am
Posted by Self-Banished on May 24 2015,6:21 pm
^^I thought you got cheese free from the gov.
Posted by Expatriate on May 24 2015,6:42 pm
^you'd know
Posted by Expatriate on May 24 2015,6:45 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on May 24 2015,6:52 pm
(Expatriate @ May 24 2015,6:42 pm)
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^you'd know
Actually no, I wouldn't
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 16 2015,12:11 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,12:19 pm
^^
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 16 2015,6:21 pm
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(Bloomberg) -- Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, facing a $283 million deficit that needs to be closed by the end of June, will skip more than $100 million in debt payments to balance the books thrown into disarray by his tax cuts.
< http://www.bloomberg.com/politic...ax-cuts >
You've got to kick that fox crack, it's made you feeble minded Dumbo!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,9:08 pm
If you want to keep this crap up it's fine with me, I gotta lot o' 'mo
Posted by Liberal on Jun. 16 2015,9:14 pm
Looks like Walker should have talked to Jindal before lying to the British again. < http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-...-walker >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 16 2015,10:12 pm
^^ too many Raechel Madcow popups
Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 17 2015,2:09 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 17 2015,5:07 pm
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 17 2015,8:06 pm
Wisconsin ranks 35th for job creation over Walker’s first termWith Gov. Scott Walker's economic credentials sure to be an issue among prospective 2016 Republican presidential candidates, Wisconsin ranked 35th overall in the nation in private-sector job creation during his first full term as governor, new government statistics show.
From 2011 through 2014, the United States posted a 9.3% total gain in private-sector jobs, while Wisconsin registered a 5.7% increase, according to employment numbers released Wednesday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figures, based on a quarterly census of American employers, are the most accurate numbers available.
The four-year period coincides with nearly all of the employment recovery following the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.
By the end of 2014, at the end of Walker's first term, Wisconsin had failed to return to its pre-recession employment peak even as the United States as a whole had surpassed its pre-recession levels. In December 2014, Wisconsin had 2,400,139 private-sector jobs, still shy of its 2,453,887 jobs in June 2007, before the economy began to crash. By contrast, the nation exceeded its pre-recession employment peak, with 117.7 million jobs in December 2014 versus 115.5 million in June 2007.
< Article >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2015,4:11 am
Wis. unemployment numbers are four points better than they were 5 years ago, from over 8 to 4.4, not far behind Minn. at 3.7. Wis. has moved quite a ways since Walker took office.< http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm >
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 18 2015,8:27 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 18 2015,4:11 am)
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Wis. unemployment numbers are four points better than they were 5 years ago, from over 8 to 4.4, not far behind Minn. at 3.7. Wis. has moved quite a ways since Walker took office.
< http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm >
< http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm >
Not exactly a success story.
And if it was a Dem governor trotting out a failure like that, you'd be on it like stink on a monkey.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2015,8:36 am
^^ Remember that a lot of Wis. industrial is the auto industry, it was hit hard. Considering that fact Wis. doing pretty good. You just don't want to give any credit to a Gov. that slapped the unions down.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 18 2015,7:18 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 18 2015,8:46 pm
^^ apparently I came very close to the truth?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 19 2015,12:29 pm
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 19 2015,12:31 pm
^^ of course it is dumbass
Posted by grassman on Jun. 19 2015,10:45 pm
Walker is a puppet on a string. He has the iq of my left foot. My fingers are getting tired, next!
Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 20 2015,1:34 am
well then why the hell aren't you running things then
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 20 2015,7:54 am
^ BECAUSE HE'S NOT A KOCH SUCKER Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2015,8:55 am
^^isn't indoctrinative propaganda wonderful?
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 22 2015,9:08 am
you'd know!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 22 2015,9:31 am
^^I believe that goes for both sides of the media dumbass
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 22 2015,9:53 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 22 2015,10:21 am
^^wow you're becoming lame and predictable.Have the nurses up your meds.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 23 2015,7:09 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 23 2015,7:19 am
< http://www.chicagotribune.com/news...ry.html >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 23 2015,3:56 pm
^probably just another smear attempt
Posted by irisheyes on Jun. 24 2015,12:40 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 20 2015,8:55 am)
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^^isn't indoctrinative propaganda wonderful?
Apparently you think it is, that's why you started this thread. Walker said they got the wrong house, and you repeated it. Hook, line, and sinker.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2015,1:34 pm
^^ 
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 24 2015,6:26 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 25 2015,7:05 am
Minnesota is America’s Top State for Business in 2015!“The credit for our state’s economic success belongs to the people of Minnesota. We thank the businessmen and women, who chose Minnesota, and their productive employees, who made those investments successful. We are proud to earn this national recognition and determined to continue on our path toward future growth.”
- Governor Mark Dayton
< http://mn.gov/governor/newsroom/pressreleasedetail.jsp?id=102-166320 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 25 2015,11:03 am
^^you're welcome.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 25 2015,11:42 am
^^
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 25 2015,12:28 pm
^^and I see Expat has choosen an insultWow, life can go on now.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 25 2015,10:15 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 25 2015,12:28 pm)
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and I see Expat has choosen an insult
"Choosen"?
"Me fail English? That's unpossible!"
- Ralph Wiggum
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 26 2015,2:08 am
^^oh! I'm sorry, try this,Go Phuk yourself
SB
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 26 2015,6:25 am
Wisconsin loses most jobs in the nation during May< http://www.wisconsingazette.com/wiscons...ay.html >
Posted by grassman on Jun. 26 2015,6:36 am
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 26 2015,2:08 am)
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^^oh! I'm sorry, try this,
Go Phuk yourself
SB
Go Phuk yourself
SB
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 26 2015,8:43 am
^^ you do?I suggest the same remedy as Botto's
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 26 2015,8:51 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 26 2015,9:08 am
^^ get it right damn it! Undocumented democrat voters.
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 27 2015,6:05 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 27 2015,7:20 am
Hmmm... Wis unemployment rate has dropped from 5.2 to 4.6 in the last 6 months
< http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.wi.htm >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 27 2015,7:22 am
Minn, though lower, has gone from 3.7 to 3.8 in the last 6 months < http://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/minnesota.htm#eag >
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 27 2015,7:32 am
Dumbo you need an eye exam!For release 10:00 a.m. (EDT) Friday, June 19, 2015 USDL-15-1166
The largest over-the-month decrease in employment
occurred in Wisconsin (-8,600)
< http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2015,6:55 am
< http://www.insightonbusiness.com/10808/up-front-all-signs-point-north/ >
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 28 2015,7:07 am
< https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanpeterjohnson >you post yet another rightwing blogger
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 28 2015,7:14 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2015,7:30 am
^^“I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it."
(Letter to Étienne Noël Damilaville, May 16, 1767)”
― Voltaire
Posted by Expatriate on Jun. 28 2015,10:31 am
enemies? 
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2015,4:42 pm
^^This is why I could never vote for Bullsh!t Sanders
I have a conscience.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 02 2015,6:23 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 02 2015,7:44 am
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...-policy >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 04 2015,6:48 am
Wisconsin Republicans just voted unanimously to gut our open records law and give legislators the ability to refuse to disclose their records to anyone.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 04 2015,6:50 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,1:02 pm
^^Ah, this from a twenty something community organizer twit who probably has never held a real job in her life and never will.
But go on, let's see what else she's got.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 05 2015,1:11 pm
Plan to curtail public records laws sparks uproarUnder these measures, lawmakers would be able to draft bills in secret and hide their communications from the public. The changes would also apply to local government officials, including school board members.
No other state in the country would have similar statutes, according to the Legislative Reference Bureau, a nonpartisan agency that helps legislators draft law
< http://www.usatoday.com/story...RL]
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,1:14 pm
^^ like this?< https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_government_(conspiracy) >
Break out the tin foil
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 05 2015,1:31 pm
^^Dumbo that’s the weakest link I’ve ever seen posted to a topic on this forum, it has absolutely no connection whatsoever.If you took an IQ test, the results would be in the negative.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 05 2015,1:40 pm
"[...]remove the required 24-hour rest period in a 7-day work week[...]"Who the Hell does that even benefit?
People that support this kind of Dickensian BS need to be throat punched.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,1:52 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 05 2015,1:31 pm)
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^^Dumbo that’s the weakest link I’ve ever seen posted to a topic on this forum, it has absolutely no connection whatsoever.
If you took an IQ test, the results would be in the negative.
If you took an IQ test, the results would be in the negative.
Hey nutjob, you brought up this subject
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 05 2015,1:56 pm
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,5:17 pm
^^It's funny, you get flustered for a response and you just use a pic (one you've used before)
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 05 2015,5:46 pm
^^you mean like this one
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 05 2015,6:09 pm
^^Yep, you show limited imagination and limited intelligence.
Otherwise I suppose you're a hell of a guy
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 06 2015,8:12 am
here’s another example of the party that hates big government, using big government to suppress citizens in Wisconsinto oblige their Corporate owners.
< http://host.madison.com/news...acebook >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 16 2015,11:30 am
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 17 2015,7:53 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 17 2015,9:41 am
I have to agree partly on this one, we should spend absolutely no public money at all on professional sports.< http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015...stadium >
Two things though, the money for the higher education most likely would have not lowered tuition and ended up in Union instructors pockets.
The bill received votes from both sides.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 20 2015,5:13 pm
So now pro-immigration groups are using little kids as props to try and set up GOP candidates?< Scott Walker is ‘impressive’ during manufactured confrontation with illegal immigrant in Iowa >
It's real easy. < Just follow the law. > In other words, the guy is here illegally, then start having kids. Nice.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 20 2015,6:42 pm
this guy is not only dumb but dangerous Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 20 2015,6:50 pm
So is this guy, not only dumb but senile.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 22 2015,4:30 am
^You have a problem with Bernie's age, but Reagan's age and mental state didn't bother you.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 22 2015,5:20 am
^^ but it seemed you had a problem with Reagan's age and you have no problem with Bullsh!t Bernie I also have a problem with stroke lady's age, I wonder who she'll pick as a running mate?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 23 2015,10:31 am
Apparently Walker and the Republicans have taken a page from Adolf’s playbook!
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 23 2015,10:53 am
^^ absolutely, positively the biggest drama queen on the planet.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 23 2015,11:54 pm
^Duh, I want to see more poor people! Duh...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,4:51 am
^^ I just want to see someone in the Oval Office that's actually held a real job, or built a company, not some career politician or community organizer...Duh!
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 24 2015,6:51 am
stupid is as stupid does Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 24 2015,7:16 am
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^^ absolutely, positively the biggest drama queen on the planet.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2015,7:42 am
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stupid is as stupid doesYep, ' have to agree with you.
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 31 2015,5:38 am
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^^ but it seemed you had a problem with Reagan's age and you have no problem with Bullsh!t Bernie
I also have a problem with stroke lady's age, I wonder who she'll pick as a running mate?
I also have a problem with stroke lady's age, I wonder who she'll pick as a running mate?
"It seemed"? No, I never once said a negative thing about Reagan's age. The mental state of any candidate is important, but that's true regardless of age. Some criticized the age of Bob Dole or John McCain when they ran for President, but I wasn't one of them.
If you didn't have a problem with Reagan's age why are you making it an issue when it comes to Clinton? There seems to be a double standard there.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 31 2015,6:34 am
^^i guess it's more because of her stroke.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 05 2015,6:58 am
Scott Walker Got SEVERELY Punked By Pretend Supporters In New Hampshire
this guy is special kind of stupid
Posted by grassman on Aug. 05 2015,7:23 am
he just seen he was getting a check, all he cared about!
Posted by stardust14 on Aug. 08 2015,12:12 am
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Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 11 2015,7:23 am
^^ so does stroke lady and look at her dumb ass 
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 13 2015,6:07 am
^What is it about her that you consider dumb? A better question, do you think you're smarter than her? 
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 13 2015,6:36 am
^^ I'm not a criminal no one's ever died because of my incompetence, I think I'd be able to follow "company"protocol and not "leak" secrets. Give me awhile, I could probably come up with a bunch more.
Posted by Marneman on Aug. 31 2015,1:07 am
What ever amount of respect I had for Scott Walker has flown out the window. Did he really say we need to build a wall between us and Canada? God help us from idiots!!Please Mr. Walker drop out now before you become a complete laughing stock.
Note: We really could use a "face palm" emoticon for the site.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2015,1:35 am
Well sh!t, he was a good dog for awhile, but in this climate, in this kind of game, I guess it's time to take ol' shep for that walk in the woods, metaphorically. Well, one falls, many to take his place, things could be worse, ' could be a dem, pinning hopes on a incompetent crook or a frothing old nutjob.
While not a emoticon, here you go Marneman, best I could do.
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Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 09 2016,8:29 am
Judge Rules Wisconsin Right-to-Work Law Unconstitutional< http://www.nbcnews.com/news...n553286 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 09 2016,11:20 am
^^ so the POS Union thugs will get to extort money again.How special
Posted by Moparman on Apr. 09 2016,3:06 pm
It would be fine if the POS freeloaders didn't feel entitled to free representation and benefits. It's really a shame that Wisconsin's economy is being devastated by this idiot and his paid for cronys.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 09 2016,5:04 pm
^^ Hey look, it's Mr Part time. Yeah, Walker's constituents just hate him
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Posted by grassman on Apr. 11 2016,2:08 pm
Here you go SB. Help your little turd friend out. MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says he's "thrifty" and is offering T-shirts for craft projects while asking donors to help pay off the $1.2 million debt from his short-lived presidential campaign.
The Republican sent an email to donors Sunday saying, "if there is one thing the American people learned about me during our presidential campaign, it is that I am thrifty." He cites his use of coupons and shopping at sales racks.
The email doesn't mention more than $90,000 a day was spent on his 70-day presidential run.
Walker's email says anyone who donates $45 will receive a campaign T-shirt, but size and color requests won't be honored because of a lack of resources.
Walker says the shirts can be framed or used for "crafty things" like a pillow or bag.
Buy enough for all your family...
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 11 2016,4:14 pm
^^ no no, I buy my t shirts at Duluth Trading, nice quality stuff.I imagine you could replace that old, grey "wife beater" number you wear though.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 12 2016,5:31 am
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^^ no no, I buy my t shirts at Duluth Trading, nice quality stuff.
So that's where you buy your 4XL and 50' waist duds..fat boy..
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 12 2016,7:07 am
Hey Expat, the long haulers are wondering where you got this little number.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 12 2016,7:13 am
SB, you have quite an assortment of sweetie pies don't you. I seen on the news last night, that a lot of truckers are sliding under the radar on their health reports, better come straight.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 12 2016,7:22 am
^^ Really? Show me a link please, my doc's a first class prick.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 12 2016,8:07 am
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^^ Really? Show me a link please, my doc's a first class prick.
Okay, would I lie?
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Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 12 2016,8:51 am
^^Wow, good clip.I don't if he's still there but there used to be a doc in lakeville the guys used referred to as "the quack"