Topic: Ferguson
started by: Self-Banished
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 23 2014,8:06 am
So we're waiting on the Ferguson grand jury verdict,What's it gonna be?
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 23 2014,10:24 am
Yes. In the face of perceived social injustice, loot and burn your surroundings down, because that always works. 
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 24 2014,9:58 am
I think these protests and riots are based on larger issues. I feel bad for the officer in question this time, but there is a lot of cases of police brutality out there, some of these areas get fed up with seeing it in their everyday lives.There's not many examples where there's punishment for excessive force, unless the feds step in. But if they want to crack down on police shootings or brutality, this seems like a bad example for them to use. This isn't near as easy a case as that NYPD choke-hold or others that are caught on tape.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 24 2014,10:10 am
There is a lot of talk about tempers flaring and riots in the streets. Mostly from outsiders trying to stir up the local demonstrators.Whether there are racial tensions beyond magnitude in Ferguson or not, I can give you two reasons there will be.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 24 2014,11:21 am
^^^ Shhhhh, that's this guy in disguise.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 24 2014,2:00 pm
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Whether there are racial tensions beyond magnitude in Ferguson or not, I can give you two reasons there will be.
What does "beyond magnitude" mean? Have you considered an ESL class?
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 24 2014,2:43 pm
(Liberal @ Nov. 24 2014,2:00 pm)
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Whether there are racial tensions beyond magnitude in Ferguson or not, I can give you two reasons there will be.
What does "beyond magnitude" mean? Have you considered an ESL class?
No, if they would just make English the official language, I wouldn't have to flip the box over at the store to read it. Just think of the money manufacturers could save in packaging.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 24 2014,2:47 pm
Whether there are racial tensions beyond (the) magnitude in Ferguson or not, I can give you two reasons there will be. Kind of sucks doesn't it? Elections do have consequences.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 24 2014,2:48 pm
Or maybe it should be said the this election will have consequences. 
Posted by grassman on Nov. 24 2014,4:06 pm
Al Sharpton owes millions in back taxes, what a piece of crap!
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 24 2014,7:25 pm
I've been flipping between MSNBC, CNN and FOX for the last hour to see how those networks are spinning things. It's almost comical. Why on earth are they waiting eight or nine hours before they announce whether they are indicting or not?? Seriously, it's nuts. Half an hour ago CNN said there were maybe 75 protesters on the street. Sooo, how many were actually out at noon today when they made their decision? Why wait so long? Why wait until night time. Stupid.
Outside the courthouse in Clayton where the grand jury was being held, there were NO protesters, but streets were blocked off, all stores closed, FOX said there was quite a big police presence.
Greta Vansustern was interviewing the coroner, she kept trying to spin it as that the officer shot Brown while Brown was attacking him. When the coroner said that two or three of the bullets went through the top of his head and into his chest, as if he was bent over either falling or bending and shot through the head, Greta said "As if he was lunging to attack?" And the coroner said "If someone could lunge from 35 feet away. He was no closer than 35 feet away when hit by those bullets." Greta quickly ended the interview with him.... of course.
All the networks are spinning this, and I think they are all disappointed that hardly any protesters have shown up and that there is no violence yet.
But seriously, why wait eight or nine hours to make the announcement?
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 24 2014,8:59 pm
They probably waited for a time when they felt fatigue had set into the protesters. Pretty smart actually.I don't know about you but I pulled this off of Huff Post. It states that Brown and the officer had a struggle in the car. I've heard similar stories since this story broke. So how did your coroner come up with the 35 foot theory?
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The St. Louis medical examiner, Dr. Michael Graham, who is not part of the official investigation, reviewed the autopsy report for the newspaper. He said Tuesday that it “does support that there was a significant altercation at the car.”
Graham said the examination indicated a shot traveled from the tip of Brown’s right thumb toward his wrist. The official report notes an absence of stippling, powder burns around a wound that indicate a shot fired at relatively short range.
But Graham said, “Sometimes when it’s really close, such as within an inch or so, there is no stipple, just smoke.”
Graham said the examination indicated a shot traveled from the tip of Brown’s right thumb toward his wrist. The official report notes an absence of stippling, powder burns around a wound that indicate a shot fired at relatively short range.
But Graham said, “Sometimes when it’s really close, such as within an inch or so, there is no stipple, just smoke.”
Another opinion peace, but pretty convincing given her background. < CNN >
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 24 2014,9:15 pm
I'm glad there was no indictment and I think waiting until the protestors were wore out was a great idea.Hopefully the next time some dumb ass tries to attack a cop they'll think twice.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 24 2014,9:30 pm
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They probably waited for a time when they felt fatigue had set into the protesters. Pretty smart actually.
There were 75 protesters six or seven hours after it had been plastered all over the news all day. How many protesters were around at noon? I'd guess alot less than that. But plaster it all over the news for hours, hyping it non stop, just begging for more people to show up, and be all fired up for trouble. There sure are a lot more than 75 now and many of them sure are out for making trouble.
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I don't know about you but I pulled this off of Huff Post. It states that Brown and the officer had a struggle in the car. I've heard similar stories since this story broke. So how did your coroner come up with the 35 foot theory?
The coroner who Greta Van Susteren interviewed also said there was an altercation at the car and that Michael Brown had gunpowder residue on his hand which he probably got at the car. But he said the two or three shots to the head were received in a bent over position from no less than 35 feet away. The prosecutor who just gave the decision on live TV said there were three autopsies done and all three were pretty much consistent with each other. So I'm assuming all three had the 35 feet theory? He has released all the information and evidence given to the grand jury to the public. That would include all three autopsy reports.
I'm just wondering, do all officers carry tasers or just some? Seems that there would be fewer things like this if tasers were utilized more often. I'm just not sure if all officers have them or not.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 24 2014,9:57 pm
If the video doesn't automatically load and play from my link, it's the video titled Forensics VS Ferguson grand jury findings. < http://www.foxnews.com/on-air...3231001 >
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 24 2014,9:59 pm
They're looting the store where the thug stole the cigars. They get victimized over and over again and they didn't do anything wrong.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 24 2014,10:11 pm
Too many dumbasses doing too many dumbass things there right now. It's not as bad as I feared it would be though. Hopefully it doesn't get worse.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 24 2014,10:36 pm
Most cops carry tazers these days. But if a guy matching the description of the robbery suspect stuck his hands in my patrol vehicle, you can bet your arse he would be feeling more than an electric shock.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 24 2014,11:04 pm
(Common Citizen @ Nov. 24 2014,10:36 pm)
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Most cops carry tazers these days. But if a guy matching the description of the robbery suspect stuck his hands in my patrol vehicle, you can bet your arse he would be feeling more than an electric shock.
Well, I would completely agree with you if the whole thing took place at the car, but once the guy ran away and the officer started chasing him things change. I would think an officer would realize he's not in danger any more and would use a taser instead of a gun. The officer fired 12 times, hit Brown six or seven times. Hit him two or three times from 35 feet.
I just happen to think a taser might have been a better choice.
I could never be a police officer. I don't have the patience, and I detest how police are often mistreated and disrespected just because they are police. But I also think that some police go about things the wrong way sometimes, and incidents like this are one of those things. It happens too often.
35 feet away....taser, then jail.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 24 2014,11:05 pm
Business after business going up in flames. Eff'n morons.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 24 2014,11:13 pm
(Botto 82 @ Nov. 24 2014,11:05 pm)
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Business after business going up in flames. Eff'n morons.
And big protests are happening in several different cities around the country, hopefully they don't escalate to the degree Ferguson has.
I agree with IrishEyes, I think all this stems from bigger issues and people are fed up. Stating that doesn't mean I condone violence or destruction in any way, cuz I don't. I think idiots that do things like this just make it more difficult to make messages heard and create change.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 25 2014,5:25 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Nov. 24 2014,11:04 pm)
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Well, I would completely agree with you if the whole thing took place at the car, but once the guy ran away and the officer started chasing him things change. I would think an officer would realize he's not in danger any more and would use a taser instead of a gun. The officer fired 12 times, hit Brown six or seven times. Hit him two or three times from 35 feet.
35 feet away...taser, then jail.
35 feet away...taser, then jail.
I guess we all choose what we want to believe then. Some people can't wrap their brain around the idea that "good" people can sometimes do bad things. It doesn't compute so they refuse to listen to anything else.
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Included in the grand jury material released tonight after the announcement that no charges would be filed in the Michael Brown killing is a handwritten witness account stating that the teenager charged at Officer Darren Wilson “like a football player. Head down.”
The unidentified witness wrote that the 18-year-old Brown “has his arms out with attitude,” while “The cop just stood there.” The witness added, “Dang if that kid didn’t start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down.”
The witness told of hearing “3 bangs,” but “the big kid wouldn’t stop.”
The witness’s account of the unarmed Brown charging Wilson--even after he had been shot in the hand during a struggle at the cop’s patrol car--supports the officer’s contention that he fired a series of shots as Brown bore down on him.
The unidentified witness wrote that the 18-year-old Brown “has his arms out with attitude,” while “The cop just stood there.” The witness added, “Dang if that kid didn’t start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down.”
The witness told of hearing “3 bangs,” but “the big kid wouldn’t stop.”
The witness’s account of the unarmed Brown charging Wilson--even after he had been shot in the hand during a struggle at the cop’s patrol car--supports the officer’s contention that he fired a series of shots as Brown bore down on him.
Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 25 2014,5:33 am
Just remember the next time you want to frik with a cop that he/she can blow your brains out.. Cops are allowed to protect themselves from "Great bodily harm" if you are armed or NOT.. Educate your kids..
Brown was nothing but a big fat bully that deserved what he got.. An almost all white law enforcement department in a mostly black area is also wrong.. Good example of how important it is to VOTE..
If you don't Vote, don't bitch or burn down your neighborhood..
That fat punk is still hurting people in his own neighborhood, even after death..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 25 2014,5:45 am
(alcitizens @ Nov. 25 2014,5:33 am)
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If you don't Vote, don't bitch or burn down your neighborhood..
That fat punk is still hurting people in his own neighborhood, even after death..
That fat punk is still hurting people in his own neighborhood, even after death..
Agreed
Posted by twingroves on Nov. 25 2014,6:29 am
that makes a lot of sense I am mad at the white man cop so I am going to burn my own house down that will get back at the white cop 
Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 25 2014,7:19 am
Would this even be a story if Officer Wilson was black? Hell no..Local elections are more important than you think..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 25 2014,8:05 am
(alcitizens @ Nov. 25 2014,7:19 am)
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Local elections are more important than you think..
As proven in the last election.
Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 25 2014,9:52 am
Forget the hyped up comments about Giuliani. When he stated 93% of blacks killed are blacks, he was attacked for being racist. He was also right. No one reports about that. It isn't big news. It doesn't cause riots. It doesn't make people yell about inequality or civil rights. How many blacks were killed by blacks in just Chicago this week?Here's the < homicide stats for Chicago > this year. As you can expect, it's mostly black on black.
Roz, about the 35 feet. You have to get a better concept of
distance. Have an adult pace off 20 yards from you and then charge at full tilt to run past you. See how quickly it happens. Now cut that time in half.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 25 2014,10:10 am
^^^ a friend of mine teaches that in CCW class, he'll have some large, slow moving guy step off 20-25 feet and show that he can usually cover that distance before a gun can be drawn.
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 25 2014,10:14 am
And then there's already crap like this floating around, which isn't helping...QUOTE
Be mindful, political and socially aware with your language. Notice how the mainstream news outlets are using words like riot and looting to describe the uprising in Ferguson. What’s happening is not a riot. The people are protesting and engaging in a justified rebellion. They have a righteous anger and are revolting against the police who have terrorized them for years.
< 12 things white people can now do because Ferguson >
< 12 things white people can now do because Ferguson >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 25 2014,10:17 am
(MADDOG @ Nov. 25 2014,9:52 am)
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Forget the hyped up comments about Giuliani. When he stated 93% of blacks killed are blacks, he was attacked for being racist. He was also right. No one reports about that. It isn't big news. It doesn't cause riots. It doesn't make people yell about inequality or civil rights. How many blacks were killed by blacks in just Chicago this week?
Here's the < homicide stats for Chicago > this year. As you can expect, it's mostly black on black.
Roz, about the 35 feet. You have to get a better concept of
distance. Have an adult pace off 20 yards from you and then charge at full tilt to run past you. See how quickly it happens. Now cut that time in half.
Here's the < homicide stats for Chicago > this year. As you can expect, it's mostly black on black.
Roz, about the 35 feet. You have to get a better concept of
distance. Have an adult pace off 20 yards from you and then charge at full tilt to run past you. See how quickly it happens. Now cut that time in half.
I saw the CNN interview with Rudy this morning and was shocked to find I finally agree with something he said. Even rolled my eyes in exasperation knowing how much crap he's going to get for his "racist" comments.
I have quite a good concept of distance. And of speed. There was a short chase before Brown was shot. The officer could have used his taser at that point. Could have had his taser out and ready to use. Officer could have called and waited for backup even, instead of chasing and shooting 10 times with innocent bystanders who could have been injured or killed.
Just sayin, there were other choices that could have been made. Does that mean I am excusing Brown's actions? No. I think he was a dumbass loser. But I also know that sometimes dumbass losers can change and become better people.
It was very interesting flipping between the major news networks last night. MSNBC and CNN practically calling Brown a saint and Wilson a demon, FOX doing completely the opposite. The MSM is the biggest reason we have so many problems and are so divided. They pick things that can easily keep us divided. Like IrishEyes said, there are plenty other incidents that could have been hyped and supported that are much more clear cut and would be easier for a lot more people to get behind.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 25 2014,11:03 am
Whites made up 44% of NY City in 2010Blacks made up 25.5%
< http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36/3651000.html >
In 2013, whites made up 70.9% of NY State.
Blacks were at 17.5%
< http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36000.html >
NY stop and frisk stats:
( Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports:)
Every year over 50% of stop and frisks were done to blacks, right around 10% to whites.
< http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data >
Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 25 2014,11:50 am
Total Law Enforcement Officers killed in the line of duty to date in 2014 is 105.. 101 men and 4 women..105 in 2013..
126 in 2012..
< http://www.odmp.org/search/year >
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 25 2014,12:03 pm
(Botto 82 @ Nov. 25 2014,10:14 am)
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And then there's already crap like this floating around, which isn't helping...
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Be mindful, political and socially aware with your language. Notice how the mainstream news outlets are using words like riot and looting to describe the uprising in Ferguson. What’s happening is not a riot. The people are protesting and engaging in a justified rebellion. They have a righteous anger and are revolting against the police who have terrorized them for years.
< 12 things white people can now do because Ferguson >
< 12 things white people can now do because Ferguson >
OMG. The person you quoted takes exception to the terms "riot" and "looting" but not "uprising". That takes the cake.
Morons.
up·ris·ing noun \ˈəp-ˌrī-ziŋ\ : a usually violent effort by many people to change the government or leader of a country
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 25 2014,12:09 pm
12 things that can be done if I'm white?
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 25 2014,12:49 pm
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I have quite a good concept of distance. And of speed. There was a short chase before Brown was shot. The officer could have used his taser at that point. Could have had his taser out and ready to use. Officer could have called and waited for backup even, instead of chasing and shooting 10 times with innocent bystanders who could have been injured or killed.
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 25 2014,1:52 pm
^ I'm sorry. But that there is funny.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 26 2014,12:04 pm
What's with the crazy question George Snuffleupagus asked, why he pursued the person that just attacked him? Did he really think a cop should sit and wait for backup before pursuing the person that just assaulted him?
Posted by Memphis on Nov. 26 2014,12:35 pm
So.... They are rioting because a black man, who was high, had just assaulted a store order and walked of with some smokes. Then he assaults a police officer and he gets shot. A group of citizens looked over the evidence and concluded no laws were broken and cleard the cop of the shooting. Then you hear his dad tell a group of people to "burn it down". We have the best system in the world and it cleared the good guy of any wrong doing. Facts are facts, he was a thug, the evidence supports that. This guy was not shot for singing too loud in church.
Posted by twingroves on Nov. 26 2014,1:36 pm
if it was a black cop nothing would of happened
Posted by Common Citizen on Nov. 26 2014,2:58 pm
Some talk show pundits raised some good questions that I think warrant an answer.Everybody knew what was coming in terms of violence days before it happened. The news media and the protesters themselves were telegraphing and planning the violence days/weeks in advance. Then why did the governor wait to send the NoGo's in later after the violence started happening and why did the President wait until after the verdict to speak?
The Monday morning quarterback in me believes posting the NoGo's all day Sunday and through Monday could have had a deterring effect coupled with a pro-judicial system speech by the President.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 26 2014,3:33 pm
Apparently the NG was deployed elsewhere, probably protecting stuff that matters. The governor probably doesn't care if the bad part of town is tore up.< http://www.washingtonpost.com/news...erguson >
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 26 2014,5:31 pm
(Common Citizen @ Nov. 24 2014,8:59 pm)
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They probably waited for a time when they felt fatigue had set into the protesters. Pretty smart actually.
I was thinking the same thing, particularly if the curfew was still in effect. When they said they wouldn't announce until 9 at night, it seemed obvious what the decision was.
Rozalind:
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The officer could have used his taser at that point. Could have had his taser out and ready to use. Officer could have called and waited for backup even
I'd disagree with you regarding the taser. In the couple seconds it would take for him to holster the gun and unholster a taser, or to get on his radio and call for backup, he didn't have time at that point. He'd have no way of knowing if either of those men had guns of their own. Any moment they could turn around and shoot back, and if he had time to get the taser, the distance is limited (often 15 or 25 feet).
Lastly, since the fight started when he's seated in a truck you figure the back half of his belt wasn't reachable. So even if he wanted to reach for something else, the gun was most likely the only thing he could get his hands on. I'll admit I'm no expert on tasers, but I know just enough to understand why the gun was the most reliable choice.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Nov. 26 2014,6:13 pm
Wilson doesn't carry a taser anyway.Can't spend too much time on this cuz I'm too busy with the holiday, but just the little bit so far I have looked at there are alot of inconsistencies.
Being upset about the shooting and memory being hazy could be an explanation for why Wilson's story kept chaging with every person he spoke to on the first day or two, but how does it explain the Seargant saying :
Q. Has he ever told you, yeah, I didn't know anything about what happened up at the Ferguson Market?
A Yes, he has told me that in subsequent conversations.
Q. He told you he didn't know about there being a stealing at the Ferguson Market?
A. Correct.
Q. Okay.
And a week or so later the police chief saying that Wilson's encounter with the men had nothing to do with the market robbery:
< http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/chief- >
defends-release-robbery-surveillance-video-n181786
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Sargeant testimony:
The individual reached in and was trying to grab at his pistol, his
pistol came out of his holster. He told me he had control of the
weapon, but it was being pointed at him. He had the gun in his
hand, but the muzzle of the wepon had been turned where his hand
was actually turned toward him.
The gun went off.
Or did he say I fired a shot?
No, he said the gun wentoff.
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He said he started running, I got out of the car to chase him. He said he got down about 30, 40 feet from where the car was parked and for some reason the individual stopped and turned toward him. Brown said you're too much of a pussy to shoot me and turned, he had faced him and started to charge at Officer Wilson.
....
Q. Has he ever told you, yeah, I didn't know anything about what happened up at the Ferguson Market?
A Yes, he has told me that in subsequent conversations.
Q. He told you he didn't know about there being a stealing at the Ferguson Market?
A. Correct.
Q. Okay.
...
Officer Wilson told you that Michael Brown took off running and then he stopped and raised his arms and charged him?
A. Yes, ma'am.
Did he indicate to you how he raised his arms, how Michael Brown raised his arms?
A. It was like this, like he was going to charge at him.
...
Detective from St. Louis says Officer Wilson told him "The first time he pulled the trigger he said that it misfired. The second time he pulled the trigger it fired and then he said he tried two additional times and they misfired." He told him he believes Michael Brown's hand was on the gun and that's why it misfired.
Didn't say Brown had cigarillos in his hand, said Wilson told him he advised dispatcher he was conducting a pedestrian check.
Q. If the suspect is running, then what would be your initial reason to keep shooting?
A. "As Darren Wilson describes it, the subject turned arond at that point. He doesn't tell us that he fired any rounds from the time that he got out of the car to the time that the subject turns around.
....
< http://www.scribd.com/doc/248128351/Darren-Wilson-Testimony >
The individual reached in and was trying to grab at his pistol, his
pistol came out of his holster. He told me he had control of the
weapon, but it was being pointed at him. He had the gun in his
hand, but the muzzle of the wepon had been turned where his hand
was actually turned toward him.
The gun went off.
Or did he say I fired a shot?
No, he said the gun wentoff.
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He said he started running, I got out of the car to chase him. He said he got down about 30, 40 feet from where the car was parked and for some reason the individual stopped and turned toward him. Brown said you're too much of a pussy to shoot me and turned, he had faced him and started to charge at Officer Wilson.
....
Q. Has he ever told you, yeah, I didn't know anything about what happened up at the Ferguson Market?
A Yes, he has told me that in subsequent conversations.
Q. He told you he didn't know about there being a stealing at the Ferguson Market?
A. Correct.
Q. Okay.
...
Officer Wilson told you that Michael Brown took off running and then he stopped and raised his arms and charged him?
A. Yes, ma'am.
Did he indicate to you how he raised his arms, how Michael Brown raised his arms?
A. It was like this, like he was going to charge at him.
...
Detective from St. Louis says Officer Wilson told him "The first time he pulled the trigger he said that it misfired. The second time he pulled the trigger it fired and then he said he tried two additional times and they misfired." He told him he believes Michael Brown's hand was on the gun and that's why it misfired.
Didn't say Brown had cigarillos in his hand, said Wilson told him he advised dispatcher he was conducting a pedestrian check.
Q. If the suspect is running, then what would be your initial reason to keep shooting?
A. "As Darren Wilson describes it, the subject turned arond at that point. He doesn't tell us that he fired any rounds from the time that he got out of the car to the time that the subject turns around.
....
< http://www.scribd.com/doc/248128351/Darren-Wilson-Testimony >
Even if he was upset and confused it seems odd that he'd tell the sergeant that his pistol came out of it's holster and that it just went off. Instead of telling him that he shot him in self defense.
I'm sure the guy with Brown was pretty traumatized as well, but his story has been far more consistent and his testimony sounds way more believable to me.
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 26 2014,6:20 pm
One thing we know for sure is there's one less thug in Missouri thanks to officer Wilson.
Posted by twingroves on Nov. 26 2014,6:41 pm
right on
Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 26 2014,8:30 pm
A Taser could have been used in this situation.. This guy was killed shortly after Brown in same area after stealing 2 cans of pop.. Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 26 2014,10:26 pm
^^what does this video have to do with Brown? A completely different situation. Two cops instead of one, officers are out of their vehicle, the perp tries to move for higher ground and is advancing.These things completely change the confrontation.Guess the thug won't be stealing soda anytime soon
Posted by alcitizens on Nov. 27 2014,1:31 am
Another dumbass comment by Self Banished..
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 27 2014,4:48 am
Another case of sour grapes by Alky
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 02 2014,4:42 am
< http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/01/us/ferguson-up-to-speed/index.html >St. Louis Rams players speak out:
Several St. Louis Rams players sent a silent but strong message before they took the field Sunday against the Oakland Raiders.
The players raised their palms in the air, repeating the "hands up, don't shoot" gesture that protesters in Ferguson have been using for months.
But the move infuriated the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which issued a statement saying it was "profoundly disappointed" with the group of Rams "who chose to ignore the mountains of evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week."
"The gesture has become synonymous with assertions that Michael Brown was innocent of any wrongdoing and attempting to surrender peacefully when Wilson, according to some now-discredited witnesses, gunned him down in cold blood," the police association wrote.
Jeff Fisher, the Rams' coach, told reporters Monday that the players would not be disciplined.
God I hate pro football
Posted by MADDOG on Dec. 02 2014,8:57 am
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< St. Louis bar boycotts Rams after players support Ferguson protests >
A local St. Louis bar’s announcement that it would no longer support the Rams following the silent protest of several players on Sunday has gained national attention.
The post was made on Facebook Monday morning and has been liked almost 40,000 times, generating over 6,500 comments.
The bar followed up their first statement by announcing their allegiance to the Kansas City Chiefs, and noted that happy hour will continue whenever there are Chiefs games.
Hours after the first post was made, the bar further clarified their position on the Rams protest.
A local St. Louis bar’s announcement that it would no longer support the Rams following the silent protest of several players on Sunday has gained national attention.
The post was made on Facebook Monday morning and has been liked almost 40,000 times, generating over 6,500 comments.
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This Facebook post is no longer available. It may have been removed or the privacy settings of the post may have changed.
The bar followed up their first statement by announcing their allegiance to the Kansas City Chiefs, and noted that happy hour will continue whenever there are Chiefs games.
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This Facebook post is no longer available. It may have been removed or the privacy settings of the post may have changed.
Hours after the first post was made, the bar further clarified their position on the Rams protest.
Anyway, you get the point.
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 02 2014,10:56 am
This Time OUT Sports Bar & Grill in St. Louis, Missouri is now a target and will close down eventually because of fears by regular customers..This case in Ferguson, Missouri is good example of how fed up black folk are in this Republican controlled state.. Brown was just the POS that gave good reason for them to raise hell because of the racial injustice they have dealt with for hundreds of years..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 02 2014,11:55 am
(alcitizens @ Dec. 02 2014,10:56 am)
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This Time OUT Sports Bar & Grill in St. Louis, Missouri is now a target and will close down eventually because of fears by regular customers..
This case in Ferguson, Missouri is good example of how fed up black folk are in this Republican controlled state.. Brown was just the POS that gave good reason for them to raise hell because of the racial injustice they have dealt with for hundreds of years..
This case in Ferguson, Missouri is good example of how fed up black folk are in this Republican controlled state.. Brown was just the POS that gave good reason for them to raise hell because of the racial injustice they have dealt with for hundreds of years..
OK Al (Sharpton)
Play that race card!
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 02 2014,6:22 pm
Don't pay him any attention. He's just experiencing white guilt because of the slaves his ancestors never owned.
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 03 2014,2:05 am
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 02 2014,6:22 pm)
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Don't pay him any attention. He's just experiencing white guilt because of the slaves his ancestors never owned.
I lived and worked in Atlanta, GA on almost all black properties for years.. I respected them and they respected me, some were assholes like those on this site..
I realized at a young age who were dicks, they come as white, black, asian, mexican, indian and on and on..
A piece of crap comes in many colors..
Good people come in many colors..
Posted by Marneman on Dec. 03 2014,2:07 am
Everyone keeps talking about what Officer Wilson should have done differently that day, but no one wants to say what Michael Brown should have done differently that day.It makes me sad to see how far back we have fallen in race relations since that April day in 1968 when we lost Dr. King. We had almost reached the sumit of the mountain that kept us out of the "Promised Land" that Dr. King envisioned. Now the freedom train is rolling downhill backwards to a time when the races couldn't get along, and instead of trying to stop it or get off you have people like the "Reverand" Sharpton that a trying to push it downhill faster! Im sure Dr. King is looking down from heaven and weeping at the plight of the black community today.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2014,4:26 am
(alcitizens @ Dec. 03 2014,2:05 am)
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I realized at a young age who were dicks, they come as white, black, asian, mexican, indian and on and on..
It must have been difficult to to be homosexual back then.
I found this pic,
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 03 2014,6:43 am
Another dumbass comment by Self Banished..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2014,7:37 am
Awww, poor booboo. ^^
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 03 2014,7:45 am
(Marneman @ Dec. 03 2014,2:07 am)
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Everyone keeps talking about what Officer Wilson should have done differently that day, but no one wants to say what Michael Brown should have done differently that day.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 03 2014,8:04 am
(Botto 82 @ Dec. 03 2014,7:45 am)
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(Marneman @ Dec. 03 2014,2:07 am)
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Everyone keeps talking about what Officer Wilson should have done differently that day, but no one wants to say what Michael Brown should have done differently that day.
...or his parents as he was growing up.
Posted by hymiebravo on Dec. 03 2014,8:58 pm
I watched a Ustream live-feed from there the first night. It didn't seem like much of a riot. It was earlier on and everyone was milking the burning car for all it was worth. I was thinking it didn't seem that much worse, or maybe not even as bad at that point, as the Mankato State riot back in 2003. I guess after all the buildup, the fear-mongering, over saturation of the story prior to the night. Some young and impressionable folks probably almost felt obligated to do something. lol
The person who was responsible for the stream I was watching was bragging about his 90,000 viewers. He was claiming he had more viewers than CNN. Perhaps they were talking about CNN"s Ustream feed?
They seemed quite enamored with themselves. Appealing to the lowest common denominator's most base thoughts and instincts. And not really that interested in responsible journalism.
But then maybe they were just parroting what they see the rest of the so called 'real' media doing.
Got to drum up that next Jodi Arias story and get those 'high ratings'. No matter what it takes.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 03 2014,10:44 pm
Thanks, Lieutenant, for that update. 
"Around here, we brush our teeth with Scotch."
- Mag. Greg "Pappy" Boyington
Posted by grassman on Dec. 06 2014,9:54 am
Obama Calls For Turret-Mounted Video Cameras On All Police TanksNews in Brief• police• violence• barack obama• News• ISSUE 50•48• Dec 3, 2014
WASHINGTON—In an effort to restore the public’s faith in law enforcement, President Obama made an impassioned appeal this week, calling for the installation of turret-mounted video cameras on all police tanks. “This initiative will ensure that police officers across the country will be held accountable for their actions as they pour out of an 18-ton combat vehicle in response to a routine call,” said Obama, who announced a detailed plan to allocate funding to equip every single armored personnel carrier, landmine-resistant SWAT van, and battle-ready half-track with an onboard camcorder to monitor police conduct. “If the police are forced to discharge a high-caliber, vehicle-mounted weapon in the line of duty, we’ll know why. Furthermore, this policy will discourage the misuse of shell-proof tanks in our communities.”The president added that he is hopeful that turret-mounted video cameras would help to reestablish trust between officers equipped with military-grade technology and the populations they are sworn to protect. The Onion
Fact or fiction? This country is in trouble no matter what.
Posted by Common Citizen on Dec. 06 2014,10:18 am
So Obama and Holder are laying the ground work to federalize local police.Not surprising.
if you're going to spend money, spend it on something that will reduce black on black violent crimes...like in Chicago.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 06 2014,10:36 am
(grassman @ Dec. 06 2014,9:54 am)
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Obama Calls For Turret-Mounted Video Cameras On All Police Tanks
News in Brief• police• violence• barack obama• News• ISSUE 50•48• Dec 3, 2014
WASHINGTON—In an effort to restore the public’s faith in law enforcement, President Obama made an impassioned appeal this week, calling for the installation of turret-mounted video cameras on all police tanks. “This initiative will ensure that police officers across the country will be held accountable for their actions as they pour out of an 18-ton combat vehicle in response to a routine call,” said Obama, who announced a detailed plan to allocate funding to equip every single armored personnel carrier, landmine-resistant SWAT van, and battle-ready half-track with an onboard camcorder to monitor police conduct. “If the police are forced to discharge a high-caliber, vehicle-mounted weapon in the line of duty, we’ll know why. Furthermore, this policy will discourage the misuse of shell-proof tanks in our communities.”The president added that he is hopeful that turret-mounted video cameras would help to reestablish trust between officers equipped with military-grade technology and the populations they are sworn to protect. The Onion
Fact or fiction? This country is in trouble no matter what.
News in Brief• police• violence• barack obama• News• ISSUE 50•48• Dec 3, 2014
WASHINGTON—In an effort to restore the public’s faith in law enforcement, President Obama made an impassioned appeal this week, calling for the installation of turret-mounted video cameras on all police tanks. “This initiative will ensure that police officers across the country will be held accountable for their actions as they pour out of an 18-ton combat vehicle in response to a routine call,” said Obama, who announced a detailed plan to allocate funding to equip every single armored personnel carrier, landmine-resistant SWAT van, and battle-ready half-track with an onboard camcorder to monitor police conduct. “If the police are forced to discharge a high-caliber, vehicle-mounted weapon in the line of duty, we’ll know why. Furthermore, this policy will discourage the misuse of shell-proof tanks in our communities.”The president added that he is hopeful that turret-mounted video cameras would help to reestablish trust between officers equipped with military-grade technology and the populations they are sworn to protect. The Onion
Fact or fiction? This country is in trouble no matter what.
Fight back, watch the watchers, I just bought three of these to mount in the trucks
< http://www.dieselboss.com/camera/car_truck_rv_camera_dvr_hd1.htm >
The ins discount will pay for these in about a year or so.
Truly a fact, we're in deep sh!t.
Posted by grassman on Dec. 06 2014,10:45 am
(Common Citizen @ Dec. 06 2014,10:18 am)
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So Obama and Holder are laying the ground work to federalize local police.
Not surprising.
if you're going to spend money, spend it on something that will reduce black on black violent crimes...like in Chicago.
Not surprising.
if you're going to spend money, spend it on something that will reduce black on black violent crimes...like in Chicago.
Sorry CC, I got that article out of the Onion, satire. That is why I put their name at the end.
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 09 2014,1:16 pm
Blacks make up 67% of the population in Ferguson.17% of whites voted in Ferguson’s 2013 municipal elections, compared with 6 percent of blacks.
< http://www.newsweek.com/after-m...-283777 >
What will happen in the 2015 municipal elections?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 09 2014,3:33 pm
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Blacks make up 67% of the population in Ferguson.
17% of whites voted in Ferguson’s 2013 municipal elections, compared with 6 percent of blacks.
< http://www.newsweek.com/after-m...-283777 >
What will happen in the 2015 municipal elections?
17% of whites voted in Ferguson’s 2013 municipal elections, compared with 6 percent of blacks.
< http://www.newsweek.com/after-m...-283777 >
What will happen in the 2015 municipal elections?
Maybe they'll get a clue?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 24 2014,4:33 pm
Maybe they won't get a clue< http://www.stltoday.com/news...ba.html >
Posted by grassman on Dec. 31 2014,5:00 pm
(CNN) -- Editor's note: Mike Rowe's essay about the deadly arrests of Mike Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and Eric Garner in New York has struck a chord. It touches on the topics of police behavior and resisting arrest. The essay was first posted as a response to a fan's question on Rowe's Facebook page:"Hello Mr. Mike Rowe. I'm a big fan and also happen to work in the lower Haight as well as live in Alameda. I have to ask, with everything that is going on in Ferguson, how do you feel about the protests in San Francisco as well as the looting/rioting in downtown Oakland?
Hi Meghan,
Last week, those very protests blocked off one of the major arteries, and as a result, I was 90 minutes late to a holiday dinner in Alameda. I apologized for my tardiness, and was told by my hostess not to give it a second thought. 'It's a small price to pay,' she said, 'given all that's at stake.' Another guest, already well into the eggnog, wondered aloud if a heart attack victim waiting for an ambulance stuck in traffic might hold a different view?
Within moments, everyone was talking about Garner and Brown, and the conversation got very political very quickly. A liberal guest said, 'Look, I wasn't there, but it seems pretty clear that both men would still be alive had they been white.' A conservative guest replied, 'I wasn't there either, but it seems pretty clear that both men would still be alive if they hadn't resisted arrest.'
This annoyed the liberal, who asked the conservative why Republicans wanted a 'police state.' This annoyed the conservative, who asked the liberal why Democrats wanted 'total anarchy.' Things continued to escalate, and within moments, fingers were pointing, veins were bulging, and logical fallacies were filling the air. Ho! ho! ho!
For once, I kept my mouth shut and listened as a roomful of decent people tore each others throats out. It was remarkable, because no one disagreed on the big points. No one disagreed that black lives mattered just as much as white lives. No one disputed that racial bias in law enforcement should be exposed and eliminated. In fact, no one disagreed about the basic facts surrounding each case. The breakdown happened over relevance and context.
My conservative friends were focused on the fact that both men died while resisting arrest, and were therefore responsible for their own demise. They wanted to discuss the killings in light of the incredible risk that all police officers agree to assume.
My liberal friends were focused on the fact that both men were unarmed, and were therefore victims of excessive force. They wanted to discuss the killings in the context of historical trends that suggest bias plays a recurring role in the way cops treat minorities.
By dessert, it was clear that both sides wanted law and order. But the conservatives were convinced that order is only possible when citizens treat cops with respect. Liberals, on the other hand, were arguing that order can only occur when cops treat everyone the same. And round and round we went. The chicken and the egg.
Later, on the drive home, I called a friend of mine back in Baltimore. He's black, successful, and hard-working. He also resents the way he's gotten swept into the zeitgeist of Ferguson. In his words, 'I'm a pawn in someone else's agenda, and I'm sick of it. I know what bias looks like in my life. I'm tired of being represented by two petty criminals who died resisting arrest.'
I hadn't thought about it like that, but he's got a point. The vast majority of black Americans have never broken the law. And yet, millions of lives are now entwined with the death of Brown and Garner. That's not fair, but it's hardly breaking news. Minorities are constantly stereotyped and the impression lingers. Looters and arsonists run amok, and Black America suffers the association. Now I'm trying to get my head around the fact that two cops are dead in Brooklyn, assassinated by a lunatic in 'retaliation' for Ferguson and Staten Island. Unbelievable.
How much worse can it get for the millions of law-abiding minorities, struggling to be seen as individuals? How much worse can it get for the thousands of honest cops, trying to protect a citizenry that doesn't seem to appreciate their daily sacrifice?
A few days ago, people were marching in the streets, literally calling for the execution of police. ('What do we want? Dead Cops!') Others are standing by today, waiting to lionize the assassins who answer the call. These are not the champions of justice; these are the enemies of civilization, and it's up to sensible people on both sides of the aisle to close ranks and shout them down. If we want to live in a nation of laws, we need to support the humans sworn to uphold them. They're a lot of really great cops out there who have promised to do that very thing, including the one in my family. We'd be screwed without them.
To answer your question Meghan, I support peaceful protests, and I'm all for rooting out bad cops. But let's not stop there. If we're serious about saving lives, and eliminating the confrontations that lead to the demise of Garner and Brown, let's also condemn the stupidity that leads so many Americans to resist arrest.
I don't care if you're white, black, red, periwinkle, burnt umber, or chartreuse -- resisting arrest is not a right, it's a crime. And it's never a good idea.
Mike"
Well put!