Topic: Earth Day
started by: Self-Banished
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 22 2014,5:09 am
Wow, today is Earth Day,
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 22 2014,6:09 am
Back in 1988, as part of an ad campaign to be printed in Time magazine, Volkswagen approached a number of notable thinkers and asked them to write a letter to the future—some words of advice to those living in 2088, to be precise. Many agreed, including novelist Kurt Vonnegut; his letter can be read below.Ladies & Gentlemen of A.D. 2088:
It has been suggested that you might welcome words of wisdom from the past, and that several of us in the twentieth century should send you some. Do you know this advice from Polonius in Shakespeare's Hamlet: 'This above all: to thine own self be true'? Or what about these instructions from St. John the Divine: 'Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment has come'? The best advice from my own era for you or for just about anybody anytime, I guess, is a prayer first used by alcoholics who hoped to never take a drink again: 'God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.'
Our century hasn't been as free with words of wisdom as some others, I think, because we were the first to get reliable information about the human situation: how many of us there were, how much food we could raise or gather, how fast we were reproducing, what made us sick, what made us die, how much damage we were doing to the air and water and topsoil on which most life forms depended, how violent and heartless nature can be, and on and on. Who could wax wise with so much bad news pouring in?
For me, the most paralyzing news was that Nature was no conservationist. It needed no help from us in taking the planet apart and putting it back together some different way, not necessarily improving it from the viewpoint of living things. It set fire to forests with lightning bolts. It paved vast tracts of arable land with lava, which could no more support life than big-city parking lots. It had in the past sent glaciers down from the North Pole to grind up major portions of Asia, Europe, and North America. Nor was there any reason to think that it wouldn't do that again someday. At this very moment it is turning African farms to deserts, and can be expected to heave up tidal waves or shower down white-hot boulders from outer space at any time. It has not only exterminated exquisitely evolved species in a twinkling, but drained oceans and drowned continents as well. If people think Nature is their friend, then they sure don't need an enemy.
Yes, and as you people a hundred years from now must know full well, and as your grandchildren will know even better: Nature is ruthless when it comes to matching the quantity of life in any given place at any given time to the quantity of nourishment available. So what have you and Nature done about overpopulation? Back here in 1988, we were seeing ourselves as a new sort of glacier, warm-blooded and clever, unstoppable, about to gobble up everything and then make love—and then double in size again.
On second thought, I am not sure I could bear to hear what you and Nature may have done about too many people for too small a food supply.
And here is a crazy idea I would like to try on you: Is it possible that we aimed rockets with hydrogen bomb warheads at each other, all set to go, in order to take our minds off the deeper problem—how cruelly Nature can be expected to treat us, Nature being Nature, in the by-and-by?
Now that we can discuss the mess we are in with some precision, I hope you have stopped choosing abysmally ignorant optimists for positions of leadership. They were useful only so long as nobody had a clue as to what was really going on—during the past seven million years or so. In my time they have been catastrophic as heads of sophisticated institutions with real work to do.
The sort of leaders we need now are not those who promise ultimate victory over Nature through perseverance in living as we do right now, but those with the courage and intelligence to present to the world what appears to be Nature's stern but reasonable surrender terms:
Reduce and stabilize your population.
Stop poisoning the air, the water, and the topsoil.
Stop preparing for war and start dealing with your real problems.
Teach your kids, and yourselves, too, while you're at it, how to inhabit a small planet without helping to kill it.
Stop thinking science can fix anything if you give it a trillion dollars.
Stop thinking your grandchildren will be OK no matter how wasteful or destructive you may be, since they can go to a nice new planet on a spaceship. That is really mean, and stupid.
And so on. Or else.
Am I too pessimistic about life a hundred years from now? Maybe I have spent too much time with scientists and not enough time with speechwriters for politicians. For all I know, even bag ladies and bag gentlemen will have their own personal helicopters or rocket belts in A.D. 2088. Nobody will have to leave home to go to work or school, or even stop watching television. Everybody will sit around all day punching the keys of computer terminals connected to everything there is, and sip orange drink through straws like the astronauts.
Cheers,
Kurt Vonnegut
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Apr. 22 2014,8:16 am
Quite possibly the dumbest, inane day to ever be brought about. What this thought up by some tree huggin' hippie?earth-day=dumb
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 22 2014,9:20 am
Obama-Backed Green Energy FailuresNOTE: Bust as February 2014 includes bankrupt, shut down and sold, placing the taxpayer money lost thus far over $3 billion.
1.Solyndra: $570.4 million
2.Beacon Power: $67.4 million
3.Abound Solar: $494.3 million
4.Vehicle Production Group (VPG): $50 million
5.Fisker Automotive: $160 million
6.A123 Systems: $390.1 million
7.Amonix: $29.6 million
8.Azure Dynamics: $119.1 million
9.Babcock & Brown: $178 million
10.Cardinal Fastener & Specialty Co.: $400,000
11.Cephas Industries: 500,000
12.ECOtality Inc.: $135 million
13.EnerDel, subsidiary of Ener1: $182.8 million
14.Energy Conversion Devices Inc. (ECD): $110.3 million
15.Evergreen Solar, Inc.: $84.9 million
16.Flagbeg Solar U.S.: $20.2 million
17.GreenVolts: $500,000
18.Konarka Technologies Inc: $55.7 million
19.MiaSolé: $101.8 million
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc.: $400,000
21.Nordic WindPower: $8.6 million
22.Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company: $10.8 million
23.Range Fuels: $162.3 million
24.Raser Technologies: $33 million
25.ReVolt Technology: $10 million
26.Satcon Technology Corporation: $17 million
27.SpectraWatt: $20.5 million
28.Stirling Energy Systems: $17.4 million
29.Suntech, subsidiary of Suntech Power: $2.1 million
30.Thompson River Power LLC: $6.5 million
31.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group: $12.7 million
32.ADDED February 1, 2014 –– Xtreme Power: at least $600,000 in stimulus grants. Plus tied to two major projects that also received hundreds of millions in stimulus grants and loans.
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Green Corruption >
Happy Earth Day.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 22 2014,9:29 am
The light rail up here is bragging about running on "wind power" today,Frankin must be in town.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 22 2014,9:50 am
(MADDOG @ Apr. 22 2014,9:20 am)
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Obama-Backed Green Energy Failures
NOTE: Bust as February 2014 includes bankrupt, shut down and sold, placing the taxpayer money lost thus far over $3 billion.
1.Solyndra: $570.4 million
2.Beacon Power: $67.4 million
3.Abound Solar: $494.3 million
4.Vehicle Production Group (VPG): $50 million
5.Fisker Automotive: $160 million
6.A123 Systems: $390.1 million
7.Amonix: $29.6 million
8.Azure Dynamics: $119.1 million
9.Babcock & Brown: $178 million
10.Cardinal Fastener & Specialty Co.: $400,000
11.Cephas Industries: 500,000
12.ECOtality Inc.: $135 million
13.EnerDel, subsidiary of Ener1: $182.8 million
14.Energy Conversion Devices Inc. (ECD): $110.3 million
15.Evergreen Solar, Inc.: $84.9 million
16.Flagbeg Solar U.S.: $20.2 million
17.GreenVolts: $500,000
18.Konarka Technologies Inc: $55.7 million
19.MiaSolé: $101.8 million
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc.: $400,000
21.Nordic WindPower: $8.6 million
22.Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company: $10.8 million
23.Range Fuels: $162.3 million
24.Raser Technologies: $33 million
25.ReVolt Technology: $10 million
26.Satcon Technology Corporation: $17 million
27.SpectraWatt: $20.5 million
28.Stirling Energy Systems: $17.4 million
29.Suntech, subsidiary of Suntech Power: $2.1 million
30.Thompson River Power LLC: $6.5 million
31.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group: $12.7 million
32.ADDED February 1, 2014 –– Xtreme Power: at least $600,000 in stimulus grants. Plus tied to two major projects that also received hundreds of millions in stimulus grants and loans.
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Green Corruption >
Happy Earth Day.
NOTE: Bust as February 2014 includes bankrupt, shut down and sold, placing the taxpayer money lost thus far over $3 billion.
1.Solyndra: $570.4 million
2.Beacon Power: $67.4 million
3.Abound Solar: $494.3 million
4.Vehicle Production Group (VPG): $50 million
5.Fisker Automotive: $160 million
6.A123 Systems: $390.1 million
7.Amonix: $29.6 million
8.Azure Dynamics: $119.1 million
9.Babcock & Brown: $178 million
10.Cardinal Fastener & Specialty Co.: $400,000
11.Cephas Industries: 500,000
12.ECOtality Inc.: $135 million
13.EnerDel, subsidiary of Ener1: $182.8 million
14.Energy Conversion Devices Inc. (ECD): $110.3 million
15.Evergreen Solar, Inc.: $84.9 million
16.Flagbeg Solar U.S.: $20.2 million
17.GreenVolts: $500,000
18.Konarka Technologies Inc: $55.7 million
19.MiaSolé: $101.8 million
20.Mountain Plaza, Inc.: $400,000
21.Nordic WindPower: $8.6 million
22.Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company: $10.8 million
23.Range Fuels: $162.3 million
24.Raser Technologies: $33 million
25.ReVolt Technology: $10 million
26.Satcon Technology Corporation: $17 million
27.SpectraWatt: $20.5 million
28.Stirling Energy Systems: $17.4 million
29.Suntech, subsidiary of Suntech Power: $2.1 million
30.Thompson River Power LLC: $6.5 million
31.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group: $12.7 million
32.ADDED February 1, 2014 –– Xtreme Power: at least $600,000 in stimulus grants. Plus tied to two major projects that also received hundreds of millions in stimulus grants and loans.
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Green Corruption >
Happy Earth Day.
And how much have we spent on the war in the middle east? And who was the war for? The power of oil is unending.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 22 2014,10:08 am
We're not talking big oil here, we're taking big gov. waste and kickbacks to their buddies.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 22 2014,10:10 am
< Pipeline Politics >I mean really, even CNBC knows this is entirely political. And the unions are starting to really be appreciative of Bambino protecting the people from itself.
< Union Hammers Obama for ‘Gutless’ Keystone XL Delay >
< Uh-Oh! >
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 22 2014,1:19 pm
The unions calling Obama gutless??? 
Posted by grassman on Apr. 22 2014,5:32 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 22 2014,10:08 am)
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We're not talking big oil here, we're taking big gov. waste and kickbacks to their buddies.
I hear ya. Let's be aware of all, not just some. If you take from lying or cheating the govt, you go to jail. Period!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 22 2014,6:10 pm
^^^ yep! I hear ya. Kinda funny you say that after the checks I cut a week ago.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 23 2014,4:33 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 22 2014,6:10 pm)
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^^^ yep! I hear ya.
Kinda funny you say that after the checks I cut a week ago.
Kinda funny you say that after the checks I cut a week ago.
What are you saying...I trust everything was above board!?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 23 2014,5:45 pm
(grassman @ Apr. 23 2014,4:33 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 22 2014,6:10 pm)
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^^^ yep! I hear ya.
Kinda funny you say that after the checks I cut a week ago.
Kinda funny you say that after the checks I cut a week ago.
What are you saying...I trust everything was above board!?
Above board, over board, bent over backwards but mostly, just bent over.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 23 2014,5:53 pm
This from the fish wrap,DES MOINES, Iowa — The U.S. Department of Agriculture will award $6 million to 10 universities to finance the study of what climate change means to agriculture and strategies for helping farmers and ranchers deal with weather changes.
Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced the grants Tuesday during a conference about climate change held at Drake University in Des Moines.
Vilsack told the audience the grants would lead to information and developments that would be essential to farmers.
The grants will go to the University of Colorado, Cornell University, Florida International University, Iowa State University, Michigan State University, the University of Minnesota, Montana State University, Oklahoma State University, Pennsylvania State University and West Virginia University.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 23 2014,6:28 pm
Would it not be better just to ask the farmers that are getting a subsidy about it and publish? You want answers, go to the ones that deal with it every day. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 24 2014,1:25 am
How about nobody gets a subsidy?
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 24 2014,6:15 am
How about more high-density feedlot action near rivers and sink holes? Let's subsidize that. Because there's money to be made in bottled clean water, when there's none to be found in the water table. Money money money. That's what makes the world go 'round. All other concerns are secondary. Screw the environmentalists' concerns. They're a bunch of wussies. Did I miss anything?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 24 2014,10:15 am
Nope, especially the money part. 
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 24 2014,10:37 am
< Hypocrisy in action. >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 24 2014,11:30 am
MADDOG, according to the article you linked to, Obama has shut down pipelines and deep sea oil drilling. He hasn't shut down any pipeline. And there are more drills in the Gulf of Mexico than there were before the Horizon spill. Meanwhile sealife in the gulf is still dying in record numbers from the spill, and no measures have been taken for a better response in case of another big spill.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 24 2014,12:31 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Apr. 24 2014,11:30 am)
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MADDOG, according to the article you linked to, Obama has shut down pipelines and deep sea oil drilling. He hasn't shut down any pipeline. And there are more drills in the Gulf of Mexico than there were before the Horizon spill. Meanwhile sealife in the gulf is still dying in record numbers from the spill, and no measures have been taken for a better response in case of another big spill.
Ros, that does not jive with his train of thought. He will disregard the truth and stick to the falsehoods of his leaders.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 24 2014,2:56 pm
Sorry Roz. Before G-man needs to shave the hairs on his hangers again, which article said he was shutting down pipelines? I went back and looked but didn't see that. The U.S. is doing more land drilling now than before the Bambino Family rose to power. It is just being done on private lands.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 24 2014,2:58 pm
It occurred to me looking at the calendar for April that there was a day dedicated to fools. Then today is for administrative professionals, and plenty of other days of observance or holiday. But Earth day is the one that gets mocked and scorned by conservatives.Does this mean that FOX and the right-wing blogs are more accepting of celebrating fools than they are of the celestial body that we depend on for all life?
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 24 2014,5:02 pm
Man, I didn't see that one coming. Did I miss an episode of 30 Rock? Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 24 2014,5:06 pm
^^
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 24 2014,6:05 pm
MADDOG, it is the last paragraph of the hypocrisy in action link.QUOTE
Supposedly, the average American has a carbon footprint of 20 tons a year. But, according to this, the guy who has shut down oil pipelines, stopped deep-sea drilling for oil, caused the gas prices to more than double in price, and admonishes everyone in America for destroying the planet, has — according to his own term — done more damage in one day than any one American can do in eighteen years. All for Earth Day.
This has some good information and links refuting and clarifying information and provides links.
< http://desmogblog.com/2014...rograms >
According to this, we produce about 72 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day.
< http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/steo/report/natgas.cfm >
According to this, about half has already been approved to export to other countries.
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Consistent with the NGA, as of March 7, 2013, DOE has approved 23 long-term applications to export lower-48 LNG to free trade agreement countries equivalent to 29.41 billion cubic feet per day of natural gas from 19 new liquefaction facilities.
Most of the applicants seeking authorization to export LNG from proposed facilities to free trade agreement countries have also filed to export LNG to non-free trade agreement countries in the same volume from the same facility to provide optionality on the final destination country. The volumes of the applications to export to free trade agreement countries and non-free trade agreement countries are therefore not additive.
As of March 7, 2013, DOE has approved one long-term application to export lower-48 LNG to non-free trade agreement countries equivalent to 2.2 billion cubic feet per day of natural gas from the proposed Sabine Pass liquefaction facility. DOE also currently has 19 applications pending to export LNG from facilities, including the 15 that were pending at the time that DOE issued its Notice of Availability of the EIA and NERA studies. These 19 applications seek authority for the export of an additional 26.10 billion cubic feet per day of natural gas to non-free trade agreement countries.
< http://energy.gov/fe...-export >
Most of the applicants seeking authorization to export LNG from proposed facilities to free trade agreement countries have also filed to export LNG to non-free trade agreement countries in the same volume from the same facility to provide optionality on the final destination country. The volumes of the applications to export to free trade agreement countries and non-free trade agreement countries are therefore not additive.
As of March 7, 2013, DOE has approved one long-term application to export lower-48 LNG to non-free trade agreement countries equivalent to 2.2 billion cubic feet per day of natural gas from the proposed Sabine Pass liquefaction facility. DOE also currently has 19 applications pending to export LNG from facilities, including the 15 that were pending at the time that DOE issued its Notice of Availability of the EIA and NERA studies. These 19 applications seek authority for the export of an additional 26.10 billion cubic feet per day of natural gas to non-free trade agreement countries.
< http://energy.gov/fe...-export >
I'm curious what opinion you have on Tim DeChristopher spending 2 years in prison for "disrupting" the illegal BLM land auction. I'd also love to hear any opinions from anyone on big oil being able to take tax credits up to 30something % of fines and costs relating to disasters like DeepWater Horizon. So taxpayers get to pay 30something% of the cost.--- Gee, I wonder how that little tidbit came to be. We the people?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 24 2014,7:31 pm
Looks like oil production under Obama is pretty much keeping pace with Bush< http://www.eia.gov/dnav...US1&f=A >
More oil seems to be exported under Obama
< http://www.eia.gov/dnav...US2&f=M >
Posted by grassman on Apr. 24 2014,7:42 pm
Here ya go SB! 
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,5:07 am
^^^can I get that as a bumper sticker for my trucks?
Posted by grassman on Apr. 25 2014,6:05 am
Just print, cut and paste. It will last for a little while.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,7:38 am
Why did record high exports of propane keep getting larger while most people in America couldn't afford it anymore and several states had to call a State of Emergency to help people heat their homes?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,8:18 am
^supply and demand.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,8:24 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,8:18 am)
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^supply and demand.
There was demand here. Most people could not afford it. So why were there record high exports.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 25 2014,9:37 am
Beacause the energy companies have talking heads paving the way to make more money. We could squeeze every ounce of oil and fuel out of the ground in this country and the result would be the same high prices. It's like Reagan's trickle down theory. It would be nice if greed didn't get in the way. Some people just don't get it.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 25 2014,9:45 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,8:18 am)
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^supply and demand.
You sir are a certified wingnut
Posted by grassman on Apr. 25 2014,9:57 am
Hey SB, explain this one. Why is gas $.04 per gallon in Venezuela?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,10:41 am
MADDOG, ever since one of my comments "magically" changed into a Jim Hanson comment written with my account, I sometimes go back and check to make sure my comments are still the same. When I reread my last two comments to you I felt they came across a bit confrontational. It wasn't intended, and I also apologize for putting you on the spot for an opinion on Tim DeChristopher. I really would like your opinion on it from a constitutional view. GD's opinion would be nice too, you two seem to be the most knowledgeable in the forum about The Constitution ( I apologize if there are some I missed!) Even if it's private messages I'd like your opinions.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,11:07 am
(grassman @ Apr. 25 2014,9:37 am)
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Beacause the energy companies have talking heads paving the way to make more money. We could squeeze every ounce of oil and fuel out of the ground in this country and the result would be the same high prices. It's like Reagan's trickle down theory. It would be nice if greed didn't get in the way. Some people just don't get it.
Drill for your own gas then.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,11:11 am
(Expatriate @ Apr. 25 2014,9:45 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,8:18 am)
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^supply and demand.
You sir are a certified wingnut
How so?
Because I'm an independent?
Because I beleive in a free market system?
Because I stand on my own two feet and make my own way?
Please explain.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,11:14 am
(grassman @ Apr. 25 2014,9:57 am)
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Hey SB, explain this one. Why is gas $.04 per gallon in Venezuela?
I don't know,
Why is Venesuela economy crumbling?
If that's the way you want to live pal be my guest, I'll start the collection for the one way ticket
Better make it two, I'm sure Expat will want to go with.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 25 2014,12:24 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,11:11 am)
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Because I beleive in a free market system?
Yeah, that'd be great, if that was what we had.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,12:38 pm
^ really? I operate in a free market, if I don't like it I'm free to go elsewhere. Are you chained to your job?
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 25 2014,1:31 pm
Free market. Ha. Keep hanging on to that myth.Once a corporation gets to a certain size, they can affect policy in Washington, bury competition, figure ways to pay next to nothing in taxes, and so on. Anheuser-Busch once told August Schell's that if they tried to go national with their brand, they would get stomped like a narc at a biker rally. Big Pharmaceuticals get things approved that shouldn't be, and Monsanto runs roughshod over good stewardship ideals and can destroy anyone that gets in their way. Why? So a handful of fatcat investors can make more money than they know what to do with. If we dismantled these monsters, it would adversely affect a very small percentage of the population, while making things better for just about everybody else. Why some people wish to preserve this f%$#ed-up status quo is beyond me.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,1:35 pm
Then don't participate.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,2:57 pm
SB, do you really see nothing wrong with pharmaceutical companies and Monsanto types lying about research, destroying whistle-blowers and only paying fines when they finally get caught endangering or killing people? Or the big banks or investment firms getting small fines for swindling people? Or laundering drug money or things like the Libor scandal? And hardly any type of real investigation to get to the bottom of any wrong-doing whatsoever? Being able to "nether admit nor deny any wrong-doing" over and over and over. The constant revolving door between big and powerful institution/industries and government? The full of hooey uninformative press? Have you read the retirement speech of one of heads of the SEC who retired not long ago? The whole transcript is available in several internet locations. It's not very long. It's better to read the whole original transcript than to read a synopsis and commentary on any news site. I'll try to post a link later when I'm on a different system. If I rember.
But do you honestly not have a problem with these things? Isn't it obvious that WE are not the ones being represented by this government?
Posted by Moparman on Apr. 25 2014,3:20 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,11:11 am)
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(Expatriate @ Apr. 25 2014,9:45 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,8:18 am)
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^supply and demand.
You sir are a certified wingnut
How so?
Because I'm an independent?
Because I beleive in a free market system?
Because I stand on my own two feet and make my own way?
Please explain.
Than stop getting a subsidy for your fuel and disguising it as a "surcharge"!
But hey, you keep that free market "independent" dream going...
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,6:57 pm
Nope, surcharge is a cost of doing business, plain and simple. When contracts are signed a copy of the fuel surcharge goes with.If a butcher had to pay twice as much for a cow to butcher would you expect to buy hamburger at the same price?
When the gas station has to pay more to fill their inground tank do you think you should pay the same as you had been?
Why are there huge grain bins on a farm? Why no just take the harvested grain straight to market
Are you this dense? Or has the union eroded your mind?
Show me you're not by answering these questions.
By the way it's "Then" not "Than"
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,6:59 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Apr. 25 2014,2:57 pm)
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SB, do you really see nothing wrong with pharmaceutical companies and Monsanto types lying about research, destroying whistle-blowers and only paying fines when they finally get caught endangering or killing people? Or the big banks or investment firms getting small fines for swindling people? Or laundering drug money or things like the Libor scandal? And hardly any type of real investigation to get to the bottom of any wrong-doing whatsoever? Being able to "nether admit nor deny any wrong-doing" over and over and over. The constant revolving door between big and powerful institution/industries and government? The full of hooey uninformative press?
Have you read the retirement speech of one of heads of the SEC who retired not long ago? The whole transcript is available in several internet locations. It's not very long. It's better to read the whole original transcript than to read a synopsis and commentary on any news site. I'll try to post a link later when I'm on a different system. If I rember.
But do you honestly not have a problem with these things? Isn't it obvious that WE are not the ones being represented by this government?
Have you read the retirement speech of one of heads of the SEC who retired not long ago? The whole transcript is available in several internet locations. It's not very long. It's better to read the whole original transcript than to read a synopsis and commentary on any news site. I'll try to post a link later when I'm on a different system. If I rember.
But do you honestly not have a problem with these things? Isn't it obvious that WE are not the ones being represented by this government?
Really Roz, there's not a damned thing I can do about sh!t like that. What I do is adapt and survive.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,9:07 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,6:59 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Apr. 25 2014,2:57 pm)
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SB, do you really see nothing wrong with pharmaceutical companies and Monsanto types lying about research, destroying whistle-blowers and only paying fines when they finally get caught endangering or killing people? Or the big banks or investment firms getting small fines for swindling people? Or laundering drug money or things like the Libor scandal? And hardly any type of real investigation to get to the bottom of any wrong-doing whatsoever? Being able to "nether admit nor deny any wrong-doing" over and over and over. The constant revolving door between big and powerful institution/industries and government? The full of hooey uninformative press?
Have you read the retirement speech of one of heads of the SEC who retired not long ago? The whole transcript is available in several internet locations. It's not very long. It's better to read the whole original transcript than to read a synopsis and commentary on any news site. I'll try to post a link later when I'm on a different system. If I rember.
But do you honestly not have a problem with these things? Isn't it obvious that WE are not the ones being represented by this government?
Have you read the retirement speech of one of heads of the SEC who retired not long ago? The whole transcript is available in several internet locations. It's not very long. It's better to read the whole original transcript than to read a synopsis and commentary on any news site. I'll try to post a link later when I'm on a different system. If I rember.
But do you honestly not have a problem with these things? Isn't it obvious that WE are not the ones being represented by this government?
Really Roz, there's not a damned thing I can do about sh!t like that. What I do is adapt and survive.
Sometimes submit?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,9:53 pm
^^^Don't we all at one time or another?I pick my battles, carefully.
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.
Sun Tzu
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2014,10:52 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,9:53 pm)
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^^^Don't we all at one time or another?
I pick my battles, carefully.
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.
Sun Tzu
I pick my battles, carefully.
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.
Sun Tzu
Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy, but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril.
Same guy
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2014,11:14 pm
Most certainly, but don't go courting disaster.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 25 2014,11:57 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,6:59 pm)
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there's not a damned thing I can do about sh!t like that. What I do is adapt and survive.
And how is that helping us get anywhere beyond this crap we find ourselves mired in? If you want someone to pat you on the back for a selfless job well done, this certainly isn't the way to go about it. Enjoy your sheephood...
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 26 2014,7:00 am
The human race has been in this crap since the start of evolution (or creation if you preferr) one crisis or another. In a hundred years who's gonna give a sh!t? For now, in the past and in the future it's adapt and survive. Call me a sheep, fine, I know what I am and what I do. Some call me selfish? You bet, when it comes the my family and myself why not?You seem to want to fight the seven deadly sins from a chair if front of your computer and that's fine, fight the good fight. But sometimes you get going on a subject and this comes to mind...
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 26 2014,8:12 am
You said don't go courting disaster. What are we courting if we keep letting things go as they are now?SB, my family is the reason I want things to change.
Yes, we are stuck in our chairs in front of our computers for right now. The only way for things to change is if A LOT more people become aware of the problems and more informed of the real issues. I was naive when Occupy started, I should have known what was going to happen. So the next time there are people in the streets it has to be millions of us, not just thousands.
It's the only way that things will get better. Things are going to change wether we like it or not, at least if there are more of us on the same page, working together, the outcome will be a lot more bright.
Posted by irisheyes on Apr. 26 2014,9:08 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,6:57 pm)
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Nope, surcharge is a cost of doing business, plain and simple. When contracts are signed a copy of the fuel surcharge goes with.
If a butcher had to pay twice as much for a cow to butcher would you expect to buy hamburger at the same price?
When the gas station has to pay more to fill their inground tank do you think you should pay the same as you had been?
If a butcher had to pay twice as much for a cow to butcher would you expect to buy hamburger at the same price?
When the gas station has to pay more to fill their inground tank do you think you should pay the same as you had been?
I've never went to a butcher and paid a "meat surcharge", or a gas station that charged you gas and then stuck in a "fuel delivery surcharge".
As you mentioned, some trash companies do, but even the ones that do it won't slip it in later, they'll tell you the total when you call and ask them. The surcharge will be in the itemized bill later. Even that's silly, there's no "truck maintenance surcharge" or "uniform surcharge".
Only truckers use such language for variable expenses. Not even other delivery services, the pizza delivery guy and UPS man won't grab a calculator and tack on surcharges, like you said, it's a cost of doing business. You get a bill and their expenses are included in that bill: the butcher, the retail store, the electrician, etc.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 26 2014,1:35 pm
^^^ here you go Captain,< http://www.ups.com/bridge/fuelsurcharge.html >
Here's Yellow Freight,
< http://www.yrc.com/shipment_resources/fuel-surcharge.html >
Here's a typical airfreight,
< http://www.afcexpress.com/FSC_Document.pdf >
Any time you want to explain transportation topics to me just let me know
Posted by Self-Banished on May 01 2014,5:01 pm
My my, another "safe" oil train. 
< http://www.bringmethenews.com/2014...l-field >
Posted by Moparman on May 01 2014,6:24 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 25 2014,6:57 pm)
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Nope, surcharge is a cost of doing business, plain and simple. When contracts are signed a copy of the fuel surcharge goes with.
If a butcher had to pay twice as much for a cow to butcher would you expect to buy hamburger at the same price?
When the gas station has to pay more to fill their inground tank do you think you should pay the same as you had been?
Why are there huge grain bins on a farm? Why no just take the harvested grain straight to market
Are you this dense? Or has the union eroded your mind?
Show me you're not by answering these questions.
By the way it's "Then" not "Than"
If a butcher had to pay twice as much for a cow to butcher would you expect to buy hamburger at the same price?
When the gas station has to pay more to fill their inground tank do you think you should pay the same as you had been?
Why are there huge grain bins on a farm? Why no just take the harvested grain straight to market
Are you this dense? Or has the union eroded your mind?
Show me you're not by answering these questions.
By the way it's "Then" not "Than"
No would not expect the butcher to charge the same if his/ her cost of the cow went up. They do NOT keep the price the same and then tack on a "feed surcharge" however....
Never have I had any surcharges on gas receipt.
A lot of grain is contracted for sale and delivery at a later date you can either pay the elevator to store it or store it on site, no surcharges involved. Farmers don't have surcharges they actually have to manage their business. The payments they receive insure a safe, affordable food supply for everyone. But usually processing and transportation are the biggest food price culprits.
Sorry about the typo
.... Oh, by the way it's "not" not " no" .... I guess the diesel fumes are eroding your brain.... 
Quit throwing stones, Mr. Perfect, this is a blog not an English class....
Posted by grassman on May 01 2014,6:30 pm
Is it me or does this not seem like there sure are a lot of oil trains derailing of late?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 01 2014,7:02 pm
(Moparman @ May 01 2014,6:24 pm)
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A lot of grain is contracted for sale and delivery at a later date you can either pay the elevator to store it or store it on site, no surcharges involved. Farmers don't have surcharges they actually have to manage their business. The payments they receive insure a safe, affordable food supply for everyone.
I'm quite familiar how grain storage works(remember? I grew up on a real farm)
Fuel prices are a lot more instantaneous than other commodities. News of a refinery explosion or war in camel-jockey land will cause prices to skyrocket in hours. Takes a few days to adjust freight prices.
You and Irish ought to go out and buy two or three trucks, give it a whirl, see how you do.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 01 2014,7:44 pm
(grassman @ May 01 2014,6:30 pm)
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Is it me or does this not seem like there sure are a lot of oil trains derailing of late?
I think the increase in trains has to be why.
Posted by grassman on May 02 2014,2:47 am
I don't think so. The track in Virginia had been inspected 3 months ago. I smell sabotage.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 02 2014,4:25 am
^^seems like they'd want to do it where there would be more collateral damages, I hope it's not sabotage.
Posted by grassman on May 02 2014,5:59 am
It made the news, job done.
Posted by irisheyes on May 02 2014,12:55 pm
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 26 2014,1:35 pm)
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^^^ here you go Captain,
< http://www.ups.com/bridge/fuelsurcharge.html >
Here's Yellow Freight,
< http://www.yrc.com/shipment_resources/fuel-surcharge.html >
Here's a typical airfreight,
< http://www.afcexpress.com/FSC_Document.pdf >
< http://www.ups.com/bridge/fuelsurcharge.html >
Here's Yellow Freight,
< http://www.yrc.com/shipment_resources/fuel-surcharge.html >
Here's a typical airfreight,
< http://www.afcexpress.com/FSC_Document.pdf >
Where's your butcher's meat or feed surcharge? I mean, how does the butcher figure out how much to charge if he doesn't have a surcharge to tell him? Or your uniform and truck maintenance costs, do you send a copy of that after you sign contracts?
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Any time you want to explain transportation topics to me just let me know
I'm not, you're the expert in transportation. But, you don't need a surcharge to figure out fixed or variable expenses.
Back to the XL pipeline debate...
The last time Republicans were chanting "drill baby, drill" it didn't lower fuel prices, but coincidentally Halliburton and friends turned much of the Gulf black from crude that couldn't be stopped for months.
Yeah, let's go ahead and trust the oil companies over one of our largest freshwater aquifers. You guys know what's best.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 03 2014,6:39 am
(irisheyes @ May 02 2014,12:55 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 26 2014,1:35 pm)
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^^^ here you go Captain,
< http://www.ups.com/bridge/fuelsurcharge.html >
Here's Yellow Freight,
< http://www.yrc.com/shipment_resources/fuel-surcharge.html >
Here's a typical airfreight,
< http://www.afcexpress.com/FSC_Document.pdf >
< http://www.ups.com/bridge/fuelsurcharge.html >
Here's Yellow Freight,
< http://www.yrc.com/shipment_resources/fuel-surcharge.html >
Here's a typical airfreight,
< http://www.afcexpress.com/FSC_Document.pdf >
Where's your butcher's meat or feed surcharge? I mean, how does the butcher figure out how much to charge if he doesn't have a surcharge to tell him? Or your uniform and truck maintenance costs, do you send a copy of that after you sign contracts?
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Any time you want to explain transportation topics to me just let me know
I'm not, you're the expert in transportation. But, you don't need a surcharge to figure out fixed or variable expenses.
Well, I'm not a butcher and surcharges are how the transportation world works.
A business calculates their charges by a profit target of percentage. The fuel surcharge is a "sliding" scale that adjusts charges accordingly as fuel prices fluctuate.
This is how businesses work, there is a profit margine, see how that works?
No profit, no business(unless you're a gov. Run business, then you don't need profit, just taxpayer money)
Posted by Self-Banished on May 03 2014,6:56 am
(irisheyes @ May 02 2014,12:55 pm)
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Back to the XL pipeline debate...
The last time Republicans were chanting "drill baby, drill" it didn't lower fuel prices, but coincidentally Halliburton and friends turned much of the Gulf black from crude that couldn't be stopped for months.
Yeah, let's go ahead and trust the oil companies over one of our largest freshwater aquifers. You guys know what's best.
The last time Republicans were chanting "drill baby, drill" it didn't lower fuel prices, but coincidentally Halliburton and friends turned much of the Gulf black from crude that couldn't be stopped for months.
Yeah, let's go ahead and trust the oil companies over one of our largest freshwater aquifers. You guys know what's best.
Let's go back to the horse and buggy days when the only pollution was horsesh!t,
You could become an expert(if you aren't already)
Seriously I don't know what you have in mind for a solution, solar? Probably decades away from being remotely viable. Wind? Those windmills look really pretty on the praire
about the same efficiency. We could fiancé more of those green energy companies, that's worked so well for us Let's produce more ethonol, the last readingsI got comparing ethonol to regular gasoline was about 26% less mileage(it's actually cheaper to run the more expensive non-ox) plus the modern farmer loves welfare.
So what do you have for a solution Cap.?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 03 2014,9:38 am
(Self-Banished @ May 03 2014,6:56 am)
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(irisheyes @ May 02 2014,12:55 pm)
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Back to the XL pipeline debate...
The last time Republicans were chanting "drill baby, drill" it didn't lower fuel prices, but coincidentally Halliburton and friends turned much of the Gulf black from crude that couldn't be stopped for months.
Yeah, let's go ahead and trust the oil companies over one of our largest freshwater aquifers. You guys know what's best.
The last time Republicans were chanting "drill baby, drill" it didn't lower fuel prices, but coincidentally Halliburton and friends turned much of the Gulf black from crude that couldn't be stopped for months.
Yeah, let's go ahead and trust the oil companies over one of our largest freshwater aquifers. You guys know what's best.
Let's go back to the horse and buggy days when the only pollution was horsesh!t,
You could become an expert(if you aren't already)
Seriously I don't know what you have in mind for a solution, solar? Probably decades away from being remotely viable. Wind? Those windmills look really pretty on the praire
about the same efficiency. We could fiancé more of those green energy companies, that's worked so well for us Let's produce more ethonol, the last readingsI got comparing ethonol to regular gasoline was about 26% less mileage(it's actually cheaper to run the more expensive non-ox) plus the modern farmer loves welfare.
So what do you have for a solution Cap.?
Solar is not decades away from being viable. Even if that was true, what would the reason for that be, since their were credible warnings about where we were heading as far back as the early 70's?
Individual or small scale wind/solar projects DO work.
A few people on a forum can't be expected to fix the problems and stave off the catastrophes headed our way. If more people knew how bad things are with water shortages and pollution, do you think they would be content to just keep letting things go as they have been? I think the majority would be demanding that things change immediately, even if it meant that they might have to do some things a bit differently in their own lives.
There ARE viable alternatives, and things can be turned around, but what is talked about in the mainstream? The big wind\solar project subsidies and flops. How often are success stories of individuals who rely on alternatives mentioned?
The very first Diesel engine used peanut oil as fuel. (Have to give credit to my 13 year old for pointing that out to me). Pretty much ALL oils can be used as fuels, soybean, hemp, even recycled cooking oil. It can be done. And if more people were aware of the problems and working on solutions, we might have a chance.
I want your honest opinion SB, what do you think is going to happen in the very near future if things keep going as they are?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 03 2014,11:24 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ May 03 2014,9:38 am)
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(Self-Banished @ May 03 2014,6:56 am)
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(irisheyes @ May 02 2014,12:55 pm)
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Back to the XL pipeline debate...
The last time Republicans were chanting "drill baby, drill" it didn't lower fuel prices, but coincidentally Halliburton and friends turned much of the Gulf black from crude that couldn't be stopped for months.
Yeah, let's go ahead and trust the oil companies over one of our largest freshwater aquifers. You guys know what's best.
The last time Republicans were chanting "drill baby, drill" it didn't lower fuel prices, but coincidentally Halliburton and friends turned much of the Gulf black from crude that couldn't be stopped for months.
Yeah, let's go ahead and trust the oil companies over one of our largest freshwater aquifers. You guys know what's best.
Let's go back to the horse and buggy days when the only pollution was horsesh!t,
You could become an expert(if you aren't already)
Seriously I don't know what you have in mind for a solution, solar? Probably decades away from being remotely viable. Wind? Those windmills look really pretty on the praire
about the same efficiency. We could fiancé more of those green energy companies, that's worked so well for us Let's produce more ethonol, the last readingsI got comparing ethonol to regular gasoline was about 26% less mileage(it's actually cheaper to run the more expensive non-ox) plus the modern farmer loves welfare.
So what do you have for a solution Cap.?
Solar is not decades away from being viable. Even if that was true, what would the reason for that be, since their were credible warnings about where we were heading as far back as the early 70's?
Individual or small scale wind/solar projects DO work.
A few people on a forum can't be expected to fix the problems and stave off the catastrophes headed our way. If more people knew how bad things are with water shortages and pollution, do you think they would be content to just keep letting things go as they have been? I think the majority would be demanding that things change immediately, even if it meant that they might have to do some things a bit differently in their own lives.
There ARE viable alternatives, and things can be turned around, but what is talked about in the mainstream? The big wind\solar project subsidies and flops. How often are success stories of individuals who rely on alternatives mentioned?
The very first Diesel engine used peanut oil as fuel. (Have to give credit to my 13 year old for pointing that out to me). Pretty much ALL oils can be used as fuels, soybean, hemp, even recycled cooking oil. It can be done. And if more people were aware of the problems and working on solutions, we might have a chance.
I want your honest opinion SB, what do you think is going to happen in the very near future if things keep going as they are?
I forgot to add a few more alternatives that could make things immensely better in pretty much every part of our lives. Not just power and fuel. Hemp, bamboo and flax are just a few. (I'm a huge fan of bamboo)
Growing and producing these three alternatives would drastically cut down water and chemical usage. They are great alternatives to concrete, metal, cotton, lumber, etc.
Far cheaper, easier and safer during every part of production. I would think it'd be a win-win to everyone except Monsanto types, big oil, companies decimating forests all over the globe and various other corps. profiting at the expense of the future generations.
It's insane that we are not jumping into alternatives. Too bad the mainstream national news doesn't inform us of how dire things are beginning to get. Why do you think that is?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 03 2014,11:53 am
^^^So, is your house powered by solar? there are affordable solar panels.
Maybe wind? there are home generator kits.
Are you driving a hybrid or electric car?
Let's try smaller, do you reuse plastic bags when you go to the grocery store? Use nothing but fair trade consumables? Are you vegetarian? Have a composting toilet?
I'm curious
By the way, I like bamboo too, I used bigbamboo papers in college.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 03 2014,1:54 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 03 2014,11:53 am)
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^^^
So, is your house powered by solar? there are affordable solar panels.
Maybe wind? there are home generator kits.
Are you driving a hybrid or electric car?
Let's try smaller, do you reuse plastic bags when you go to the grocery store? Use nothing but fair trade consumables? Are you vegetarian? Have a composting toilet?
I'm curious
By the way, I like bamboo too, I used bigbamboo papers in college.
So, is your house powered by solar? there are affordable solar panels.
Maybe wind? there are home generator kits.
Are you driving a hybrid or electric car?
Let's try smaller, do you reuse plastic bags when you go to the grocery store? Use nothing but fair trade consumables? Are you vegetarian? Have a composting toilet?
I'm curious
By the way, I like bamboo too, I used bigbamboo papers in college.
I wish my home had solar and wind power. I rent, and even if I did own my own house I couldn't afford it. So maybe things like this should be a priority? Making it more accessible and affordable? When I signed up with Alliant energy 8 years ago I opted to pay more on my bills to help alternatives. - Even though I believe that small scale individual or group wind/solar is a far better way to go.
I don't drive, and when I do I carpool, I would gladly use public transportation if it was more widely available. Walking or bike is my main transportation, I wouldn't mind a car co-op type sharing program that some communities have developed.
I don't use plastic bags, I have cloth ones I bring with me when I shop. (Hemp)
We also recycle like crazy. We have one single bag of garbage for a weeks time. One 13gallon bag.
We do whatever we can to try to make less of an impact. Now if industry, government and the media would make the future a priority things could start to get better immediately.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 03 2014,3:18 pm
^^sounds like for the most part you practice what you preach! good enough.I also practice what I preach and that is this,
We have more energy resources than we know what to do with,
Global warming is a farce
All this environmental bullsh!t is just what it is, bullsh!t.
We are BURNING OUR FOOD! Grocery prices are going to be going to increase dramatically in the future.
This is what I practice and profess.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 03 2014,3:52 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 03 2014,3:18 pm)
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^^sounds like for the most part you practice what you preach! good enough.
I also practice what I preach and that is this,
We have more energy resources than we know what to do with,
Global warming is a farce
All this environmental bullsh!t is just what it is, bullsh!t.
We are BURNING OUR FOOD! Grocery prices are going to be going to increase dramatically in the future.
This is what I practice and profess.
I also practice what I preach and that is this,
We have more energy resources than we know what to do with,
Global warming is a farce
All this environmental bullsh!t is just what it is, bullsh!t.
We are BURNING OUR FOOD! Grocery prices are going to be going to increase dramatically in the future.
This is what I practice and profess.
I never mentioned global warming/climate change, whatever it's called. Environmental worries are not BS in my opinion. The list of towns/cities/areas which have to put out "air alerts" gets bigger all the time. Having to warn people that the air quality is so toxic that they should not go outside doesn't seems like as good an idea as possibly working to cut or eliminate the toxicity. Dealing with worsening water shortages while not addressing the cause is ridiculous. Endangering the water we do have, especially when there are alternatives, doesn't make sense.
These problems, and more, are not magically going to fix themselves.
Our water shortage problem? It's freakin huge. HUGE. But instead of informing the masses about it, let's build big gated communities in Nevada with a few golf courses and swimming pools. Let's keep on going the way we always have, because THAT is progress. Let's not talk about any of our practices, farming, fossil fuels, mining, lifestyles, and how it has brought us extremely close to catastrophe.
We're running out of water. Our air, land and water get more poisoned all the time. All of our pollinators are disappearing and dying at an alarming rate. These things are not global warming, they are indisputable fact, and the craziest part about it all, is that the vast majority of us are not even aware.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 03 2014,6:10 pm
Hmmm... This from the EPA's own site.EPA creates air quality trends using measurements from monitors located across the country. The table below shows that air quality based on concentrations of the common pollutants has improved nationally since 1980.
Percent Change in Air Quality
1980 vs 2012 1990 vs 2012 2000 vs 2012
Carbon Monoxide (CO) -83 -75 -57
Ozone (O3) (8-hr) -25 -14 -9
Lead (Pb) -91 -87 -52
Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (annual) -55 -50 -38
Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (1-hour) -60 -46 -29
PM10 (24-hr) --- -39 -27
PM2.5 (annual) --- --- -33
PM2.5 (24-hr) --- --- -37
Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) (1-hour) -78 -72 -54
< http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrends.html >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 03 2014,7:34 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 03 2014,6:10 pm)
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Hmmm... This from the EPA's own site.
EPA creates air quality trends using measurements from monitors located across the country. The table below shows that air quality based on concentrations of the common pollutants has improved nationally since 1980.
Percent Change in Air Quality
1980 vs 2012 1990 vs 2012 2000 vs 2012
Carbon Monoxide (CO) -83 -75 -57
Ozone (O3) (8-hr) -25 -14 -9
Lead (Pb) -91 -87 -52
Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (annual) -55 -50 -38
Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (1-hour) -60 -46 -29
PM10 (24-hr) --- -39 -27
PM2.5 (annual) --- --- -33
PM2.5 (24-hr) --- --- -37
Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) (1-hour) -78 -72 -54
< http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrends.html >
EPA creates air quality trends using measurements from monitors located across the country. The table below shows that air quality based on concentrations of the common pollutants has improved nationally since 1980.
Percent Change in Air Quality
1980 vs 2012 1990 vs 2012 2000 vs 2012
Carbon Monoxide (CO) -83 -75 -57
Ozone (O3) (8-hr) -25 -14 -9
Lead (Pb) -91 -87 -52
Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (annual) -55 -50 -38
Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) (1-hour) -60 -46 -29
PM10 (24-hr) --- -39 -27
PM2.5 (annual) --- --- -33
PM2.5 (24-hr) --- --- -37
Sulfur Dioxide (SO2) (1-hour) -78 -72 -54
< http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrends.html >
I would have thought lead would have decreased much more than that since removing it from gasoline.
Well, I hope most states have better monitoring and reporting than Texas does.
< http://eagleford.publicintegrity.org. > - has several good links and information.
A code red reading, indicating an AQI of between 151 and 200, means conditions may be "unhealthy for everyone."
For the 8 a.m. hour Wednesday, pollution in the Liberty-Clairton region of the Mon Valley built to a code red AQI level of 157 -- the highest in the nation. Air quality also deteriorated into the code red range around Lancaster, Pa.
According to a University of North Carolina study released in July, the deaths of 2.1 million people a year worldwide are attributable to surges in fine particulate matter air pollution. The tiny airborne particles can penetrate deep into human lungs and cause a variety of health problems, including asthma and other lung diseases, heart problems and cancer.
Read more: < http://www.post-gazette.com/local...hSHmI5J >
< http://www.post-gazette.com/local...2050220 >
< http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/239457071.html?ipad=y >
Today in California
Highest 5 of the day
< http://www.airnow.gov >
< http://www.airnow.gov/index.c...#tabs-1 >
Health Message: Active children and adults, and people with lung disease, such as asthma, should reduce prolonged or heavy exertion outdoors.
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The School Flag Program alerts schools to the local air quality forecast and helps them to take actions to protect students' health, especially those with asthma.
Here's how it works: each day the school raises a flag that corresponds to how clean or polluted the air is. The color of the flag matches EPA's Air Quality Index (AQI): green, yellow, orange, red, and purple.
On unhealthy days, schools can use this information to adjust physical activities to help reduce exposure to air pollution, while still keeping students active.
Encourage your school and the schools in your community to adopt the School Flag Program -- use the Get Started tab above to begin!
< http://www.airnow.gov/index.cfm?action=school_flag_program.index >
That's messed up.
Posted by grassman on May 03 2014,11:31 pm
By Jay BusbeeDecember 10, 2013 12:46 PMYahoo NewsIn America, we're used to our government, our industry and our media putting a spin on events to make the world seem a brighter, better place than it really is. But some of China's media is showing some impressive spin talent of its own, with a rationalization for pollution that is, quite literally, breathtaking.
Much of China has been suffering through choking smog in recent weeks, which has hampered daily activities and forced the closure of schools. In response, state broadcaster CCTV published a list of reasons documenting the benefits of smog. Yes, benefits.
A Time magazine translator indicated the following CCTV rationalizations for smog:
1. It unifies the Chinese people.
2. It makes China more equal.
3. It raises citizen awareness of the cost of China’s economic development.
4. It makes people funnier.
5. It makes people more knowledgeable (of things like meteorology and the English word haze).
That's some interesting rationalization. Following that line of thinking, hurricanes also unify people by forcing them to leave their isolated homes and gather in collectives. Tornadoes give people a sense of the power of nature. Wildfires place everyone on an equal footing by burning everyone's possessions to the ground. See? The problem isn't nature, the problem is you.
Oh, but the campaign wasn't done. The Global Times, which is published by the Communist Party's official People's Daily, noted that smog has a defensive benefit. “Smog may affect people’s health and daily lives," the newspaper wrote, "but on the battlefield, it can serve as a defensive advantage in military operations." The article pointed to military operations in Kosovo and Saudi Arabia that used smoke as a means of obscuring the enemy's sight lines and fouling electronic equipment. This takes "we had to burn the village to save it" to a completely new level.
Posted by Liberal on May 03 2014,11:44 pm
An interesting story about Los Angeles war with smog. It's interesting that the oil companies 50 years ago hired researchers to prove ozone was a natural product and the researchers verified that it was caused by man instead. I'm sure the oil companies wouldnt do underhanded things like that today. < http://www.aqmd.gov/news1/archives/history/marchcov.html >
Posted by grassman on May 04 2014,7:42 am
As we all know by now, oil companies are as American as apple pie. They would never do anything that would harm the enviroment or people. They go out of their way to provide safe, clean burning product. They make sure their work enviroment is safe. Cost of such is never a problem with these giant, fuzzy, warm companies. After all, without people, who would they sell their product to. Just the other day, I am not positive but, I think I saw the CEO of EXXON MOBIL help an elderly woman with her groceries and walk her across the street.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2014,8:00 am
Jeez
Posted by grassman on May 04 2014,8:39 am
^ I knew you would agree!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2014,8:43 am
Yeah, right.
Posted by grassman on May 04 2014,9:34 am
So you disagree with my observations?
Posted by pepi-lapew on May 04 2014,10:06 am
I dont belive in solor, wind, power. Give me my gas for my car (not 85% crap either) If the GOV. didnt give billions to wind,solor comp. they would go broke. the gas comp. dont need it either!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2014,12:41 pm
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So you disagree with my observations?
As long as the chinks are happy, not committing suicede by jumping off factory roofs and producing product for the American moron to consume I'm happy.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2014,12:48 pm
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Give me my gas for my car (not 85% crap either)
Once again last week the fine people at Mills Fleet Farm would not let me pump nox-ox into my pickup, they said it wasn't legal.
Posted by grassman on May 04 2014,6:31 pm
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(grassman @ May 04 2014,9:34 am)
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So you disagree with my observations?
As long as the chinks are happy, not committing suicede by jumping off factory roofs and producing product for the American moron to consume I'm happy.
So, you not very happy, so sorry!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 04 2014,7:39 pm
8000 plus containers a month come into the Mpls/St.Paul market, I'm pretty happy. keep buying stuff.
Posted by grassman on May 05 2014,5:58 am
What about the jumpers?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2014,7:51 am
^^^they put jumper nets on the factories.Besides, there are plenty of them.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 05 2014,10:02 am
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By Jay BusbeeDecember 10, 2013 12:46 PMYahoo News
In America, we're used to our government, our industry and our media putting a spin on events to make the world seem a brighter, better place than it really is. But some of China's media is showing some impressive spin talent of its own, with a rationalization for pollution that is, quite literally, breathtaking.
Much of China has been suffering through choking smog in recent weeks, which has hampered daily activities and forced the closure of schools. In response, state broadcaster CCTV published a list of reasons documenting the benefits of smog. Yes, benefits.
A Time magazine translator indicated the following CCTV rationalizations for smog:
1. It unifies the Chinese people.
2. It makes China more equal.
3. It raises citizen awareness of the cost of China’s economic development.
4. It makes people funnier.
5. It makes people more knowledgeable (of things like meteorology and the English word haze).
That's some interesting rationalization. Following that line of thinking, hurricanes also unify people by forcing them to leave their isolated homes and gather in collectives. Tornadoes give people a sense of the power of nature. Wildfires place everyone on an equal footing by burning everyone's possessions to the ground. See? The problem isn't nature, the problem is you.
Oh, but the campaign wasn't done. The Global Times, which is published by the Communist Party's official People's Daily, noted that smog has a defensive benefit. “Smog may affect people’s health and daily lives," the newspaper wrote, "but on the battlefield, it can serve as a defensive advantage in military operations." The article pointed to military operations in Kosovo and Saudi Arabia that used smoke as a means of obscuring the enemy's sight lines and fouling electronic equipment. This takes "we had to burn the village to save it" to a completely new level.
In America, we're used to our government, our industry and our media putting a spin on events to make the world seem a brighter, better place than it really is. But some of China's media is showing some impressive spin talent of its own, with a rationalization for pollution that is, quite literally, breathtaking.
Much of China has been suffering through choking smog in recent weeks, which has hampered daily activities and forced the closure of schools. In response, state broadcaster CCTV published a list of reasons documenting the benefits of smog. Yes, benefits.
A Time magazine translator indicated the following CCTV rationalizations for smog:
1. It unifies the Chinese people.
2. It makes China more equal.
3. It raises citizen awareness of the cost of China’s economic development.
4. It makes people funnier.
5. It makes people more knowledgeable (of things like meteorology and the English word haze).
That's some interesting rationalization. Following that line of thinking, hurricanes also unify people by forcing them to leave their isolated homes and gather in collectives. Tornadoes give people a sense of the power of nature. Wildfires place everyone on an equal footing by burning everyone's possessions to the ground. See? The problem isn't nature, the problem is you.
Oh, but the campaign wasn't done. The Global Times, which is published by the Communist Party's official People's Daily, noted that smog has a defensive benefit. “Smog may affect people’s health and daily lives," the newspaper wrote, "but on the battlefield, it can serve as a defensive advantage in military operations." The article pointed to military operations in Kosovo and Saudi Arabia that used smoke as a means of obscuring the enemy's sight lines and fouling electronic equipment. This takes "we had to burn the village to save it" to a completely new level.
That's crazy. It's unbelievable how toxic China is. Too bad we can't put an embargo on the pollution from China. Our pollution problems aren't even remotely as bad as China, India and a few other countries, but our government and media aren't exactly open and honest about the pollution problem here. And since the US is the biggest consumer of products from these countries, we are part of the problem.
Schools all over the country have huge financial problems, yet many are spending a fortune on things like ipads for most, or all, of their students and smart boards for most, or all, of their classrooms. Parents don't have a choice to opt out, it's mandatory. The only choice given to the parents is if they want their child to leave the iPad at school overnight or bring it home. Since so many assignments now require the iPad, most have no choice but to bring them home. When our school asked for opinions on ipads for students, the only things asked of parents were things like "how important do you think technology is to better education?" "how much would you be willing to pay for your child to have an iPad?" When I or anyone else brought up that most homes already have computers, and that we think teaching children to be socially, environmentally and financially responsible are also very important, we were ignored. How much do freakin ipads and smart boards cost anyway? In the end, parents had to pay $60 for insurance and use. $25 if the student leaves the iPad at school. I doubt these items are going to improve education at all.
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^^they put jumper nets on the factories.
Besides, there are plenty of them.
Besides, there are plenty of them.
You're just trying to get a rise out of some of us right?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 05 2014,10:29 am
^^^no, it justs sucks to be them and better them than me. Seriously, except for the elderly, sick or really handicapped I beleive a person is responsible for their own well being.
Posted by Moparman on May 07 2014,2:37 pm
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(Moparman @ May 01 2014,6:24 pm)
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A lot of grain is contracted for sale and delivery at a later date you can either pay the elevator to store it or store it on site, no surcharges involved. Farmers don't have surcharges they actually have to manage their business. The payments they receive insure a safe, affordable food supply for everyone.
I'm quite familiar how grain storage works(remember? I grew up on a real farm)
Fuel prices are a lot more instantaneous than other commodities. News of a refinery explosion or war in camel-jockey land will cause prices to skyrocket in hours. Takes a few days to adjust freight prices.
You and Irish ought to go out and buy two or three trucks, give it a whirl, see how you do.
No, you grew up on a hobby farm, there is a difference. If you did grow up on a "real" farm you would realize that farm commodity prices change daily and can vary widely by location.
Maybe you need to go out and rent/ buy a couple thousand acres of farmland and a line of equipment to run it, source your inputs and " give it a whirl".
Btw, quite a few farmers run a trucking company as a side job to their main operation as they own several trucks and don't want them sitting around.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 07 2014,3:53 pm
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No, you grew up on a hobby farm, there is a difference. If you did grow up on a "real" farm you would realize that farm commodity prices change daily and can vary widely by location.
Maybe you need to go out and rent/ buy a couple thousand acres of farmland and a line of equipment to run it, source your inputs and " give it a whirl".
Btw, quite a few farmers run a trucking company as a side job to their main operation as they own several trucks and don't want them sitting around.
Maybe you need to go out and rent/ buy a couple thousand acres of farmland and a line of equipment to run it, source your inputs and " give it a whirl".
Btw, quite a few farmers run a trucking company as a side job to their main operation as they own several trucks and don't want them sitting around.
The reason why a lot of grain farmers buy trucks is that it give them something to do in the off season when they're standing around with there fingers up their ass's.
Real farmers work year 'round. And yes, we rented land and bought equipment and cattle and hogs.
Holy crap! Took long enough to respond, usually you spew something ight away. That tough to come up with an answer or did you have to ask you union rep?
Later part time
Posted by Self-Banished on May 07 2014,4:11 pm
Quick question Mopar, do you get that subsidy called "overtime"? 
Posted by grassman on May 08 2014,1:15 am
How is overtime a subsidy?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 08 2014,4:46 am
^^^if a fuel surcharge is a subsidy I suppose overtime is too.
Posted by grassman on May 08 2014,7:13 am
Overtime is agreed upon in advance by both parties. A surcharge is tacked on after the fact by one party.
Posted by MADDOG on May 08 2014,8:16 am
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Overtime is agreed upon in advance by both parties. A surcharge is tacked on after the fact by one party.
So are these agreed upon or after the fact charges?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 08 2014,9:40 am
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Overtime is agreed upon in advance by both parties. A surcharge is tacked on after the fact by one party.
They don't have to pay it.
Overtime is law.
Posted by grassman on May 08 2014,11:43 am
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(grassman @ May 08 2014,7:13 am)
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Overtime is agreed upon in advance by both parties. A surcharge is tacked on after the fact by one party.
So are these agreed upon or after the fact charges?
That is a blatant money grab. Most fuel surcharges are fitted in the small print, AFTER the initial charges. Kind of like all these fees on your phone bill.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 08 2014,11:53 am
As I said, the customer doesn't have to pay it.
Posted by grassman on May 08 2014,12:18 pm
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As I said, the customer doesn't have to pay it.
Pay what?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 08 2014,1:08 pm
Fuel surcharge, Pay attention, talk, lift your arm, etc.
Posted by grassman on May 08 2014,2:53 pm
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Fuel surcharge,
Pay attention, talk, lift your arm, etc.
Pay attention, talk, lift your arm, etc.
Then why is it on the bill? I don't put anything on a bill unless I expect to get paid for it.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 08 2014,3:10 pm
Transportation's different, pretty much all I can give you. I've been dealing with it since the Gulf War.
Posted by grassman on May 08 2014,3:44 pm
Oh great, another little gift from the Bush regime.
Posted by MADDOG on May 08 2014,4:09 pm
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Oh great, another little gift from the Bush regime.
I wasn't going to say this, but...
Posted by grassman on May 08 2014,4:45 pm
Your hero, what a waste of oxygen.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 08 2014,6:00 pm
^^^well then raise taxes on businesses and see what happens! prices rise! simple as that.
Posted by grassman on May 08 2014,8:42 pm
(Self-Banished @ May 08 2014,6:00 pm)
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^^^well then raise taxes on businesses and see what happens! prices rise! simple as that.
Because they told you that and you believe it, r i g h t? What about free trade and competition? You sucked the bait all the way to the sinker!!!!!!!! It is fishing opener.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,4:09 am
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(Self-Banished @ May 08 2014,6:00 pm)
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^^^well then raise taxes on businesses and see what happens! prices rise! simple as that.
Because they told you that and you believe it, r i g h t? What about free trade and competition? You sucked the bait all the way to the sinker!!!!!!!! It is fishing opener.
So let me get this straight, if a business has taxes raised do you think the they shouldn't raise prices out the goodness of their heart? Or should they sacrifice their profit margin?
It's such a "win win" for the politicians, they look impressive to the voter and the "big bad business" looks bad or to keep the tax increase at bay the business has to pony up money for the politicians reelection coffers.
Ever wonder why these politicians go into office rich and become even richer all on a public servants salary?
Don't think you're gonna make it pal, the hook's pretty deep.
Posted by grassman on May 09 2014,5:51 am
There is no competition anymore. Prices are set. Why do you think the stock market has been booming while the working man still stuggles? The ones with money have been making more money. Do you honestly think it costs $3.50 to produce a gallon of gas? There has been a lot of profit in there. The ones that are involved all say, "it's not me".Prices on everything has risin so much, yet wages and benefits have dropped or stayed the same, why does everything cost more?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,7:30 am
^^^i'm a "working man" and I'm not struggling, life's pretty good.
Posted by Botto 82 on May 09 2014,7:33 am
I've been wondering about that for a long time. It seems as though the most important Western pursuit is profit, forsaking all others. And that philosophy is unsustainable, as we will soon find out. Economic growth cannot continue indefinitely, when the system is held up by printing billions in fiat currency every time we find ourselves in a jam. The world will one day move away from the Dollar as its agreed-upon reserve currency. They said that would never happen to the pound sterling, but it did. The super-rich know this is inevitable, and as a result of that knowledge they are hoarding vast stores of wealth, in an attempt to insulate themselves from the coming storm, because as some of you already know, once we can't print ourselves out of debt, things are going to get very expensive.
Posted by irisheyes on May 09 2014,8:01 am
(Self-Banished @ May 08 2014,6:00 pm)
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^^^well then raise taxes on businesses and see what happens! prices rise! simple as that.
So once again you don't think corporations and the rich should have to pay taxes. This is the reason in the last half century nearly all of the Presidents to balance the budget were Democrats, Eisenhower was the last Republican POTUS who understood basic economics.
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Let's go back to the horse and buggy days when the only pollution was horsesh!t... Seriously I don't know what you have in mind for a solution, solar? Probably decades away from being remotely viable. Wind? So what do you have for a solution Cap.?
Being against the XL phase doesn't mean we go back to horse and buggy days or shut down most of our electricity generation. You responded similarly to Rozalind. Policy isn't so black and white. We've had oil wells and pipelines dotted and criss-crossing our nation for years and we're building more every year. That's great, I'm happy to see us tap into our resources and create economic benefits along the way. That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be some limits, you guys have already forgotten the Gulf coast and a large portion of our ocean covered with crude oil. Freshwater should be important to our economy too, you're focusing entirely on tar sands and forgetting what happens when it spills. Spending time on a farm should've taught you that regardless of what corporations say, Brawndo doesn't have what plants (or people) need.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,8:16 am
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The world will one day move away from the Dollar as its agreed-upon reserve currency. They said that would never happen to the pound sterling, but it did. The super-rich know this is inevitable, and as a result of that knowledge they are hoarding vast stores of wealth, in an attempt to insulate themselves from the coming storm, because as some of you already know, once we can't print ourselves out of debt, things are going to get very expensive.
Very wise,
Wealth held in fiat currency WILL become worthless, true wealth will come with tangible assets(real estate,precious metals, etc.) even skills will be valuable.
Just a matter of time.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,10:08 am
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(Self-Banished @ May 08 2014,6:00 pm)
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^^^well then raise taxes on businesses and see what happens! prices rise! simple as that.
So once again you don't think corporations and the rich should have to pay taxes. This is the reason in the last half century nearly all of the Presidents to balance the budget were Democrats, Eisenhower was the last Republican POTUS who understood basic economics.
No, what I'm saying is that taxes to a business are considered a cost of operation, to raise taxes on a business is just an increase in operational cost which are passed down the line to eventually the end user.
Again I ask, should a business just absorb the increase in operational costs?
You seem to be the one who doesn't understand economics.
Posted by grassman on May 09 2014,10:33 am
You seem to not comprehend that business today enjoy the lowest taxes in the history of the U.S. Did they not make money before? The whole idea on lowering taxes was to spike the economy for all. That did not happen. Instead they took the money and run.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,10:48 am
^^^ then maybe the solution is to have Gov. Take over business? To make it fair?
Posted by grassman on May 09 2014,11:13 am
Nope, raise the tax base back up and call it a failed subsidy. 
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,11:36 am
^^and thus prices rise.
Posted by MADDOG on May 09 2014,11:41 am
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^^^ then maybe the solution is to have Gov. Take over business? To make it fair?
The government seems to be taking a pretty good cut of the profits already.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,11:43 am
^^^ no sh!t.
Posted by grassman on May 09 2014,1:53 pm
The reasoning for Reagans trickle down theory was in itself a good thought, if. If the ones able to let it trickle down, let it happen.They get tax cuts, hire a bunch of people making a good wage. Win, win situation. People spending money keeps an economy going. People paying taxes keeps a govt going.
Now come the big if.
People in position of making money are never satisfied with any amount of money. They seen it as,'well isn't this nice getting all this extra cash."
Now the govt just lost all that cash from business and the number of people walking around with more money and paying taxes did not change. Can see where that just does not work?
Posted by grassman on May 09 2014,1:58 pm
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(Self-Banished @ May 09 2014,10:48 am)
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^^^ then maybe the solution is to have Gov. Take over business? To make it fair?
The government seems to be taking a pretty good cut of the profits already.
Glad you pointed that out. Now you go and compare the military of all them countries to ours. What is the biggest expenditure this country has? It takes a lot of tax dollars to fund that rascal. Who is it that goes to the rescue of all those countries? That takes a whole lot of tax dollars. If I had my way, when ever a company from the U.S. expands in another country and comes to trouble, sorry, you is on your own.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,2:22 pm
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People in position of making money are never satisfied with any amount of money. They seen it as,'well isn't this nice getting all this extra cash."
Now the govt just lost all that cash from business and the number of people walking around with more money and paying taxes did not change. Can see where that just does not work?
Now the govt just lost all that cash from business and the number of people walking around with more money and paying taxes did not change. Can see where that just does not work?
I'm never satisfied with what I make, I always want to make more. This is how one becomes a success, by doing more than "just getting by".
Posted by grassman on May 09 2014,3:08 pm
So that is why trickle down economics is a failure. Class dismissed, have a GREAT week-end!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,4:37 pm
^^^ there are winners and losers in life Buttercup.
Posted by grassman on May 09 2014,4:41 pm
And that is why those tax breaks need to be rescinded, they are making losers out of the rest of us. Can't be the winners of everything. Buttercup.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 09 2014,7:42 pm
Oh I've been on the sh!tty end of the stick before, just need to keep trying.
Posted by pepi-lapew on May 11 2014,12:24 pm
There should be NO tax brakes for anyone, Corp, personal,or small co. gas,solar,wind included? If you cannt make it on your own. Find a job or die of lazyness. The world would be better off without you.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 11 2014,3:22 pm
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There should be NO tax brakes for anyone, Corp, personal,or small co. gas,solar,wind included? If you cannt make it on your own. Find a job or die of lazyness.
The world would be better off without you.
The world would be better off without you.
There are times I think you're way ahead of the curve