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Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 18 2014,10:09 am

Obama's pushing new technology work centers in 5 states, the majority of them being right to work states. Is he finally getting a clue? Has he realized that right to work states are more competitive in a world market?

Wow,
North Carolina,
Virginia,
Arizona,
Florida and,

Lowly, bankrupt California, which is a forced state.

How about that?

< http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9394065 >

Posted by grassman on Jan. 18 2014,4:49 pm

If you think right to work states are so great, why don't you get in your little truck and relocate down there. You will be the shine on the block. Look ma, he has all his teeth!

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 18 2014,6:00 pm

Nope, I enjoy watching the unions die here, especially Yellow Freight. Yellow can barely afford to keep paying it's workers and the Teamsters are scared of their own shadow are far as strikes go.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 18 2014,6:09 pm

Scared? You talk so highly of them. Yep. Scared.

Just wait till the Mexidrivers come to the states. Life ain't easy buttercup.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 18 2014,9:22 pm

They're already here.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 19 2014,7:21 am

You fail to look at the big picture on things. Remember when you needed an IT and the person spoke fluent English?

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 19 2014,8:26 am

(grassman @ Jan. 19 2014,7:21 am)

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You fail to look at the big picture on things. Remember when you needed an IT and the person spoke fluent English?

IT?

Posted by grassman on Jan. 19 2014,9:03 am

Information Technology. Used to be a field that manufacturing workers were told to go into. Seems India got the job.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 19 2014,10:05 am

Ah yes, when I had Sprint and called customer service I'd always get "Hadji" it was the reason I dropped Sprint.

I get the same from my customers, they have no tolerance from drivers that don't speak English or poor comprehension of it, that are constantly late and in many cases can't even back a trailer into a dock door. Now their day might be coming where they get their sh!t together but I figure I'll be retired by then.

But this thread is about obama abandoning the union.

He gets what he wants then F-you pal.
Classy guy :blush:

Posted by grassman on Jan. 19 2014,12:13 pm

Ya, he's bowing down to the crowd that kept throwing his ties to union in his face. There, you won.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 19 2014,12:32 pm

No one wins with him in office.

Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 19 2014,1:16 pm

< Both parties are the same, says Judge Napolitano. >

Then he was fired.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 19 2014,1:53 pm

(Botto 82 @ Jan. 19 2014,1:16 pm)

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< Both parties are the same, says Judge Napolitano. >

Then he was fired.

He's absolutely, positively correct.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jan. 23 2014,11:36 am

Unions have nearly bankrupted the USPS and now they are trying to strong arm Staples store managers to protect the postal unions turf.

Who knew you could pay someone $8 hour with the same skill set as person making $25 shuffling envelopes. :sarcasm:

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 23 2014,3:53 pm

And the excess billions the USPS is required to pay to now to prefund health benefits for the next 75 years has nothing to do with it? But I guess it's just easier to blame the union guy making a decent living and spending that extra income back into the community. I imagine your ok with paying for food stamps and other assistance for this $8 an hour worker? I guess low wage corporate welfare jobs are ok? How about when when $8 guy loses your certified letter? I bet the staples manager will be more than helpful... :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 23 2014,4:09 pm

And USPS hasn't lost any mail? :rofl:

I used to haul into bulk mail and post offices, I have never, ever in my career in business seen a more lazy, unorganized, can't think for themselves (stupid)bunch of incompetents.

Must be a union prerequisite.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jan. 23 2014,9:45 pm

(Moparman @ Jan. 23 2014,3:53 pm)

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I would never send a certified letter through the USPS. I would send it through a non-union shop like Fed-Ex...so stick that in your vaped e-cig and smoke it. :rofl:

Posted by grassman on Jan. 24 2014,5:37 am

(Common Citizen @ Jan. 23 2014,9:45 pm)

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(Moparman @ Jan. 23 2014,3:53 pm)

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I would never send a certified letter through the USPS. I would send it through a non-union shop like Fed-Ex...so stick that in your vaped e-cig and smoke it. :rofl:

As usual, you give way too much credit in the wrong places. Here is a little story that happened to me this cutting season. I had a tractor break down. I ordered the part on line. The part was sent UPS. The part was in transit, I was told I would have the part on this day. It did not show, it did not show the next either. I tracked it, it said that it was dropped at the post office.(A NEW TACTIC BY UPS TO FINISH A DELIVERY). I asked the postmaster if she had a package for me. She said that she did not. I told her about my tracking info. She checked again, negative. I called UPS, they told me they turned it over to the post office. Several days have passed by now, my machine is not running. I called the sender they said they would rush another one. Our post office is open from 9 am to 2 pm. It turned out the UPS driver was taking my part for a trip back and forth from Brainerd to our town for a week because he said the post office was always closed when he got there.I live four blocks from the post office. I have seen him in the area way before 2 many times.I told the post master that UPS insists that she has it. I show her the tracking number, she says that it is a USPS number but it is not in their system. I asked her if she would call UPS and ask where that package was? She did, she said that UPS DID have it and it would be there that day. She called me two hours later and said she had it. I said I would be right there. Kudos to our postal sevice! :thumbsup:

Thumbs down to some of these private carriers.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2014,5:57 am

^^^bothof them union :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2014,6:22 am

I have to admit I had a problem with FedEx once. I ordered a lathe and it got to the ground terminal on time. But when the dock worker haul it out with a forklift he dumped it on the ground. Everything else I've had them ship has never had a problem. USPS can be slow as hell sometimes.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 24 2014,7:42 am

I use all of those available. I would say that the USPS is the most economical and most efficient. People seem to always jump at the working union man. Just like everything else, it is the top that causes problems.

Postal Waste-Watcher Accused of Excess

W A S H I N G T O N, May 6

By Barry Serafin

The job of the inspector general at the U.S. Postal Service is to root out waste, but the management practices of Inspector General Karla Corcoran have been wasteful and frequently just plain odd, a number of past and present employees, two U.S. senators and a citizen taxpayers' group say.

They note, for example, that, to promote teamwork, she conducted a number of exercises in which employees built sand castles, gingerbread houses and tents made of newspapers.

On other occasions they dressed up as the Village People or wore cat costumes.
Last year, as the Postal Service was projecting huge losses, the IG's office hosted a conference where Corcoran was suspended on a web of strings. Corcoran put the cost at $615,000. Whistle-blowers say it was close to $1 million.

"It's a waste of taxpayers' money but, most importantly, that's a million dollars that could be used by that agency to make sure that the billions of dollars that the Postal Service spends is going to be wisely spent," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.

Grassley is now investigating the IG. So is the President's Council on Integrity and Efficiency.

Corcoran's office says it has been doing its job, identifying $2.2 billion in savings by the Postal Service.

Critics say half of those savings were already planned. And whistle-blowers say there is no justification for many expenses by the inspector general.

"She paid her deputy IG $40,000 to relocate," said one, who did not want to be identified. "He was already living and working in the Washington area and she paid him to relocate."
Corcoran declined to be interviewed, but said she has "nothing to hide."

Documents, however, indicate that between $50,000 and $150,000 paid by the IG's office to an outside law firm, supposedly for advice on audit standards, also paid for help on her personal matters, such as severance pay and her problems with whistle-blowers.

"We're absolutely outraged by her behavior and we would love for her to be replaced," said Leslie Paige of Citizens Against Government Waste. "We think it's time for her to go."

The group has written to the Board of Governors of the U.S. Postal Service calling for her dismissal. So have Democratic Sens. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota and Ron Wyden of Oregon.

They accuse Corcoran of wasting millions of dollars, adding, "We believe that the evidence of her mismanagement is so compelling that the Board of Governors should fire her without delay."

The board has indicated that it expects to take up the allegations against Corcoran at its meeting in early June. The woman hired to protect public dollars is now trying to protect her job.

Posted by irisheyes on Jan. 24 2014,8:42 am

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 18 2014,10:09 am)

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Is he finally getting a clue? Has he realized that right to work states are more competitive in a world market?

Blue states like Minnesota are doing better economically than our anti-union neighbors. And we do it with our large and small corporations remaining profitable (and plentiful considering the list of companies here).

Those anti-union southern states you'll see far more poverty, they get more in federal spending than they ever send in so it's really just large-scale corporate welfare.

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Lowly, bankrupt California, which is a forced state.

California just announced a budget surplus. But then again, Dayton just announced we're having a surplus also. I bet you guys hate to see it proved over and over again that liberal Governors do better with budgets. :thumbsup:

*yawn* Time for you to get new sources.

Posted by grassman on Jan. 24 2014,9:02 am

By Scott MacFarlane

WASHINGTON —

The United States Postal Service says it is losing billions of dollars and planning to end most Saturday delivery of your mail.

But Channel 2's Scott MacFarlane has learned the agency is spending $2 million to send its top executives to a pricey conference in San Francisco.

MacFarlane has obtained the agenda for the conference which calls for not only workshops and meetings, but also a golf outing, a dance party and a dinner event.

Government watchdog groups and the Postal Service disagree over whether it's worth the money.

The National Postal Forum conference is set to take place in March. It begins with a golf outing at Harding Park in San Francisco.

The four-day conference will draw 4,000 people to the city’s Moscone Center

Some 400 of the attendees will be staffers of the U.S. Postal Service, including the Postmaster General.

Documents obtained by MacFarlane show the event will cost the agency approximately $2.2 million, including travel and $220,000 for exhibit space.

The advertised hotels, before government discount, will cost nearly $300 a night.

Internal Postal Service documents show the event also includes a “Taste of San Francisco” banquet at a hotel featuring the foods of Fisherman's Wharf and China Town.

"They need to be concerned about the optics of this. They need to be concerned about ratcheting back some of what could be perceived as luxurious activities," said Leslie Paige with Citizens Against Government Waste.

The post office is already under fire in Washington for plans to scrap some Saturday mail service and for continuing to hemorrhage money.

I wonder how many of those lazy union workers snuck in with them?

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2014,9:31 am

(irisheyes @ Jan. 24 2014,8:42 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Jan. 18 2014,10:09 am)

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Is he finally getting a clue? Has he realized that right to work states are more competitive in a world market?

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Lowly, bankrupt California, which is a forced state.

*yawn* Time for you to get new sources.

Really? What big union advances have there been lately?

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 24 2014,3:12 pm

(Common Citizen @ Jan. 23 2014,9:45 pm)

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(Moparman @ Jan. 23 2014,3:53 pm)

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I would never send a certified letter through the USPS. I would send it through a non-union shop like Fed-Ex...so stick that in your vaped e-cig and smoke it. :rofl:

Really? Fed Ex and UPS are the largest costomers the USPS has. You know that whole "last mile" thing. The large private delivery services know there is no way they could service ENTIRE country as efficiently as the USPS does. Also the USPS keeps a lot of Fed Ex planes flying the would otherwise be sitting empty on tarmac. You really thought that Fed Ex delivered everything door to door?
I think I know who is really smoking what!.. :rofl:

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 24 2014,3:40 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 23 2014,4:09 pm)

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And USPS hasn't lost any mail? :rofl:

Considering they handle 160+ billion items a year I'm sure some will get lost. As far as the lazy, unorganized, stupid, stuff etc, etc.... That opinion might mean something if it didn't come from a truck driver.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 24 2014,5:35 pm

Last time I went into bulk mail Egan it took them 6 hours to unload 11 skids. Lot's of Jabber-jawing on the docks. Lazy, lazy, lazy. :dunce:

Of course your opinion might mean something but it comes from a dock workers.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 25 2014,5:47 am

(irisheyes @ Jan. 24 2014,8:42 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Jan. 18 2014,10:09 am)

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Is he finally getting a clue? Has he realized that right to work states are more competitive in a world market?

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Lowly, bankrupt California, which is a forced state.

*yawn* Time for you to get new sources.

Yes, states like California are doing fantastic :sarcasm:

< http://www.forbes.com/sites...ifornia >

When does California pay back the billions it's borrowed from the Feds? It has the highest tax rate in the nation, numerous counties that want to secede, it's just a matter of time.

Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 25 2014,8:40 am

What good is a budget surplus when we're making it harder to do business here?

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But these days, when residents cross the bridge, they enter starkly different political territories. Since Republicans in Wisconsin took control of the State Legislature and governor’s office in 2011, and since Democrats gained full dominance in Minnesota last year, people here have watched essential elements of their daily lives — their savings plans, job expectations, personal relationships and health insurance — veer apart.

For the Smiths, like other members of public sector labor unions, working on the Wisconsin side has meant rising personal contributions for health insurance and pensions and a union with drastically less negotiating power. For Mr. Fulton, like many business executives, running a company on the Minnesota side has meant bracing for new business taxes and higher income taxes. Mr. Fulton, a third-generation foundryman, has worked in Minnesota long enough to recall the decision to open the Duluth operation in 1980, a period when life looked much the same on either side of the border, many say.

“Knowing then what we know now, would we even do it in the state of Minnesota anywhere?” said Mr. Fulton, the president of ME Global, which operates the foundry. “I doubt it. We would go to another location. It’s an expensive place to do business.”

< NYTimes: Twinned Cities Following Different Paths >

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 25 2014,9:11 am

I had to look a bunch of sad faces this last year as I helped move two more companies out of state.

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 25 2014,11:17 am

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 24 2014,5:35 pm)

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Last time I went into bulk mail Egan it took them 6 hours to unload 11 skids. Lot's of Jabber-jawing on the docks. Lazy, lazy, lazy. :dunce:

Of course your opinion might mean something but it comes from a dock workers.

Snappy comeback! I am sure all that mail got unloaded sorted and delivered right on time. I see this attitude by drivers all the time, they think the whole world should revolve around their schedule. We have drivers show up late all the time, must be to much jabber jawing on their Bluetooth headsets, lazy, lazy,lazy....

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 25 2014,3:08 pm

I show up on time, there are no excuses for being late.

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 26 2014,9:54 pm

I can guarantee there will be drivers late for their appointments tomorrow on our dock, if they show up at all. And rightfully so, no load is worth your life. No excuses needed, the weather should be a good enough explanation.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 27 2014,5:10 am

It's only going to be 13 below.

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 28 2014,4:01 pm

With blizzard conditions and a closed interstate. 7 no shows, 13 guys late so far. 5 of those guys were less than an hour late, but still late. By far most of them are from the south and just do not understand what "cold" really is.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2014,4:18 pm

(Moparman @ Jan. 28 2014,4:01 pm)

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Probably union drivers :rofl:

Posted by grassman on Jan. 28 2014,4:46 pm

I have to drive through any kind of weather, I am out alot before the snow plows. I would rather have somebody stay home who is not comfortable driving in it rather than risk my life along with theirs.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 28 2014,5:40 pm

Black ice this morning, lots of them in the ditch :dunce:

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 28 2014,5:40 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 28 2014,4:18 pm)

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(Moparman @ Jan. 28 2014,4:01 pm)

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Probably union drivers :rofl:

No non union ones. Union drivers tend to be more professional. And their equipment is, for the most part, always newer and cleaner. They also usually have clean clothes on shower at least once a day. :laugh:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 29 2014,5:25 am

What union shops in transportation are left? UPS? Pretty sure they have a non-union freight division. YRC?? They're circling the drain.

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 29 2014,12:51 pm

Exactly, hence the lower standards on professionalism, equipment, and hygiene. Just like everything else has declined the loss of good union jobs.

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 29 2014,2:25 pm

Yes, cuz if you work for a union you instantly become a better person.
Professionalism is a self standard, irregardless of what kind of place you work at.
I've worked union and non-union jobs and my work ethic was the same in either.

Posted by Moparman on Jan. 29 2014,7:15 pm

You get what you pay for. Just like everything else. And no, just belonging to a union will not make you a better person. But, the higher pay, benefits, job security, and work rules can surely give a person a better sense of self worth. Get them off the government assistance, increase their spending in the community, and saving.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2014,5:59 am

^so why would I have to pay off a pimp to feel better about myself?

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 30 2014,8:18 am

(Moparman @ Jan. 29 2014,7:15 pm)

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so just cuz you're paid more all of a sudden you are a better person.
People are who they are, whether they make $8/hr or $80/hr.
I guess my sense of self worth comes from knowing I have a strong work ethic, and my employer rewards that accordingly, not because of any group I belong to. If my employer did not reward it, I would look elsewhere. Not whine about it.

Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 30 2014,10:02 am

Respect, Dignity, Protection all come with Union membership along with better wages, benefits & job security!

As fellow American workers we shouldn’t be fighting amongst ourselves but unite under one flag to fight our true enemy,
trade with slave labor nations at the expense of our jobs for Corporate profits.

Unions give US a political voice we wouldn’t have as individuals, either we hang together or Corporate greed will collapse capitalism.
Unions are vilified by the rightwing propagandist at the bequest of their Corporate masters, but it’s union jobs that set the standards you enjoy today, Unions float all boats!

Give Union members the respect they deserve, they’ve fought, died, and were imprisoned for the rights we all enjoy as workers today!

Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 30 2014,10:40 am

(Expatriate @ Jan. 30 2014,10:02 am)

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Give Union members the respect they deserve, they’ve fought, died, and were imprisoned for the rights we all enjoy as workers today!

Golly gee willikers, I'd sure like to hear more about that.

Posted by Common Citizen on Jan. 30 2014,11:03 am

(Expatriate @ Jan. 30 2014,10:02 am)

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Tell that to the citizens of Detroit.

I won't argue that they had their place in the history of early America but it's 2014 and they have outlived their uselfulness and have since become a burden to millions.

nuff said...

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2014,11:21 am

Fought and died?
Be of independent thought, make you own decisions.
That builds character.

Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 30 2014,12:09 pm

(MADDOG @ Jan. 30 2014,10:40 am)

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Golly gee willikers, I'd sure like to hear more about that.

We all know why you're selling Obamamobiles in Iowa!

Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 30 2014,12:17 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 30 2014,11:21 am)

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Fought and died?
Be of independent thought, make you own decisions.
That builds character.

You were so desperate you crossed a picket line and became a scab, when the strike ended and they picked up production speed you couldn’t cut it cup cake, so you hit the road. Yup you’re a success story alright, a corporate stooge!

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 30 2014,12:24 pm

Everyone's experiences are different and I don't judge a group by one individuals action. I just go by my experiences.
When I was in the steelworkers union at Progress Castings as a meltman, I was told by at least 2 different mold makers that if I didn't slow down (on my pouring) they would kick my ass as I was working well above standard, and if I kept that pace up they would expect us all to work at that pace. Now, it's not like I was making them work at breakneck pace, there was plenty of time for them to keep up with me. They chose not to.
I am not saying they are bad people or workers, They were actually quite good people and good at what they did. They just chose to not work diligently as they had the protection of the union behind them.
I am on record as saying I am not against unions, just against some of the dumb decisions they make. Same with corporate. There is a place for both but they are both power hungry and it seems that's all they care about at time. Not the employees.

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 30 2014,12:40 pm

(Expatriate @ Jan. 30 2014,12:17 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Jan. 30 2014,11:21 am)

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Fought and died?
Be of independent thought, make you own decisions.
That builds character.

Nope, wrong idiot, I crossed because a customer asked me to. I did and I still have that customer to this day, 20 years later.

I'm waiting for YRC to go on strike again, it'll probably be the last time their guys go on strike.

Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 30 2014,12:49 pm

@ GIL
Never worked a foundry, but I can imagine it's a hot nasty dangerous place. It may have been easy for you to exceed production standards at your young age but for someone who’s older on the job may have a more difficult time.
The job was more then likely time studied at one point and the company set the standard not only from a production stand point but quality and for worker longevity & safety.

I remember Wilson’s paid piece work as an incentive to produce more, after the 83 fiasco the piece work pace became the new production speed, the Company
didn’t make any more money they just crippled more worker’s with accidents & tendonitis, medical costs soared wiping out any gain in productivity cost.

moral of the story, production speeds are in place for good reason.

Posted by Glad I Left on Jan. 30 2014,1:02 pm

I understand what you are saying in the time studies. The company I work for now did that when I worked on the assembly line.
In the time I worked at Progress it was never done. Not saying they didn't ever do it, just not while I worked there, or while I was working.
As for the conditions, yes it was hot and dirty and noisy. I was 19 when I started, the mold makers were all in their 30s and in good physical shape (appearance anyway). Doing the mold making wasn't demanding physically, basically you stand in one place and make fancy sand castles. Being the melt man was very physical. Keeping the pots running, carrying 50 lb ladles of molten aluminum to up to 6 different lines, then shaking them out and returning the molds back to the mold makers. It was awesome. I loved it.
The point was, the fact that i was physically threatened because I was working above the standard, not that I was pushing them too fast or creating an unsafe work environment for me or anyone else.

Posted by Expatriate on Jan. 31 2014,7:09 am

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 30 2014,12:40 pm)

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Seriously doubt I’m wrong, when you have over three thousand posts you inadvertently document a lot of personal history.

You told us of the mind numbing work you did in a packinghouse in one post, you also gave us the number of years you’ve been driving truck
in another post!
The Hormel Strike was in 1985 almost thirty years ago, simple deduction, the math doesn’t come out in your favor.

By your own admission you told us you crossed the line at the Hormel Strike , problem is you weren’t driving truck yet according
to years on the road in another post you made!

"life is tough buttercup" especially when you’re stupid!

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 31 2014,8:56 am

^ 29 to be exact, I 1985 I was running east coast as an owner/op pulling reefer, mostly NYC going into Hunts Point(poor little pussy like you would have peed your pants going into the Point at 2am) and yes, I was crossing the line to go into Hormel to pick up product also that year.

20years ago is 1994 (see how that math thing works dumbass?) that would be about the the last time Yellow was on strike and I crossed the line to pick up product that my customer had stranded on the dock.

I had short packing plant stints in '78 and '80 and '80 was also my first driving job.
I've also had jobs bouncing and bartending in bars, selling and wrenching cars and even washing dishes.

Now, go report to your pimp, union 'ho. :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 31 2014,9:07 am

3000 posts?? Wow, I've been busy

Posted by grassman on Jan. 31 2014,10:22 pm

Crossing the line is crossing the line. I don't care if you were picking up a load or getting a load, you don't cross the line. No respect. I remember we almost had one 18 wheeler tip over.Rock and Roll! :woohoo:

Sad POS!
SB, would you combine a farmers bean field because you think you could do it faster? Would you maybe "take care" of his wife, because you feel you could do it better? Respect! Huge word, felt by too few.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2014,12:47 am

(grassman @ Jan. 31 2014,10:22 pm)

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You seem to be under the illusion that the workers(union) own the company, they don't, simple as that. When I crossed those lines(and would again if need be) I was contracted to, asked by representatives of the company to come in and pick up freight. I did nothing illegal, I did nothing immoral,

If a worker wants to stand out at the end of the driveway with a sign stating their beef then so be it, if the company representatives want me to come in and perform a service, then I will.

I belonged to a union once and found them to be absolutely worthless and will never be part of one ever again.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 01 2014,7:40 am

They have a contract. So say a man and his wife are having a little trouble in their marriage and she say's hey SB come on in the back door. You would, because she asked you and you wanted it?

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2014,8:30 am

No, when they went on strike they no longer had a contract. It's the union's way of trying to force their hand. They've stepped away from the bargaining table and stomped their feet and said "we're gonna hold our breath till we get what we want" Production stops thus receivables stop and the plant owners are left holding the bag.

You treat the employee-employer relationship like a marriage? It's nothing like that nor should it be, it's business, no romantic fairy tale story, it's just what it is, sometimes cold, business.

I have year long contracts with customers, if at the end of the contract they want to go with another drayman, for any reason they deem fit, they can. The only conditions are the price and performance. If either party wants to at any time to end the contract they can. No hard feelings, no drama.

Standard trucking contracts with contractors read the the leasing company agrees to provide work but does not have to provide a specific amount and contractors agree to accept work but not a specific amount.

Nobody owes anybody anything.

Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 01 2014,8:57 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 01 2014,12:47 am)

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(grassman @ Jan. 31 2014,10:22 pm)

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I couldn't agree with you more.

Your contract is between you and the business, not the employees.

Grassman,
Sounds to me like the strikers were disrespecting the truck driver...preventing the trucker from fulfilling his contractual obligation. Not the other way around.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 01 2014,9:56 am

No, we were never submitting!

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 01 2014,10:26 am

We know SB is an admitted Scab, Common jumping to his defense says something about his integrity!

Birds of a feather flock together.

Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 01 2014,11:01 am

Integrity? Because I pointed out facts rather than let feelings get in the way? You're emotions are shining through.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2014,12:17 pm

(Expatriate @ Feb. 01 2014,10:26 am)

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We know SB is an admitted Scab, Common jumping to his defense says something about his integrity!

Birds of a feather flock together.

What a nice compliment! Thanks Ex, I'm very proud to be put into the same category as CC

Maybe you're not such an idiot.

Posted by Moparman on Feb. 01 2014,5:48 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jan. 30 2014,5:59 am)

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^so why would I have to pay off a pimp to feel better about myself?

Again with the " pimp" reference. What is your obsession with hookers and pimps? :dunno:

I suppose you will start referencing your corporate hero buddies as " johns" then. :rofl:

Posted by Moparman on Feb. 01 2014,6:27 pm

(Glad I Left @ Jan. 30 2014,8:18 am)

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(Moparman @ Jan. 29 2014,7:15 pm)

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Isn't that how society is set up now? The more you make the better you are? You really think the $8 guy is looked at the same as the $80 no matter who the "better" person is. How do you feel about subsidizing the $8 guy because he is surely on some type of government assistance program?
Do you really think that if a guy making $16k is given a raise to $160k he is going to be the same person as he was before? The answer is no. Money changes people.
I do find it kind of cute that you still think a good work ethic will be rewarded.

Corporate greed killed that practice off a while ago.
I wouldn't call it whining, I call it sticking up for oneself..

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 01 2014,7:28 pm

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^so why would I have to pay off a pimp to feel better about myself?

Again with the " pimp" reference. What is your obsession with hookers and pimps? :dunno:

I suppose you will start referencing your corporate hero buddies as " johns" then. :rofl:

Because that's what you are, a paid 'ho. You give money to your pimp so you can work there

You can make all the "fascination"remarks you want but the pimp and whore comparison is as close as it gets.

A good work ethic gets you nowhere anymore? My guys are paid very well because they're very experienced and very good at what they do.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 02 2014,8:19 am

...

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 02 2014,10:39 am

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...

Wow, I don't know what to say but...

WHAT FREAKIN' RETARD!!!

Posted by Moparman on Feb. 02 2014,1:58 pm

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(Moparman @ Feb. 01 2014,5:48 pm)

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^so why would I have to pay off a pimp to feel better about myself?

Again with the " pimp" reference. What is your obsession with hookers and pimps? :dunno:

I suppose you will start referencing your corporate hero buddies as " johns" then. :rofl:

Still can't let the prostitution thing go, huh? Being willing to do anything for money makes one a whore. Your bold bragging about hauling China goods, crossing picket lines, moving businesses out of state, and all the other trolling BS you spew all done "because I was paid" to do it makes you a whore. You call me a prostitute, fine that does not bother me coming from you. But, the difference between a prostitute and a whore at least a prostitute has a little bit of class.
I'll gladly compare compensation packages with your "well paid" crew any day.

Posted by Moparman on Feb. 02 2014,2:01 pm

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(Expatriate @ Feb. 02 2014,8:19 am)

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...

Wow, I don't know what to say but...

WHAT FREAKIN' RETARD!!!

Now making fun of the special needs kid and using the R-word... Real classy" :dunce:

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 02 2014,4:55 pm

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(Moparman @ Feb. 01 2014,5:48 pm)

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^so why would I have to pay off a pimp to feel better about myself?

Again with the " pimp" reference. What is your obsession with hookers and pimps? :dunno:

I suppose you will start referencing your corporate hero buddies as " johns" then. :rofl:

Oh relax, you'll wake up tomorrow, go to work, have the shop stewart let you cry on his shoulder a little and he'll tell you how special you are. Later you two can go over to Wal Mart and do a little shopping for Chinese crap. You can stop later at the bar and drink some HONSET TO GAWD UNION MADE BEER which tastes like watered down horse piss made at a brewery owned by the very money grubbing fat cats you hate.

It's all good :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 03 2014,4:53 am

Another loss for closed shop states.

< http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov...Factory >

Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 03 2014,10:56 am

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the difference between a prostitute and a whore at least a prostitute has a little bit of class.

I won't lie, that made me giggle.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 03 2014,12:07 pm

^ this whole thread has been hilarious, except I don't think Mopar and Expat share my feelings.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 03 2014,12:33 pm

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Another loss for closed shop states.

< http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov...Factory >

Tennessee is a red state with right to work laws that really make it difficult for unions to organize or survive.
Wages suck in right to work states like Tennessee, workers suffer under draconian working conditions.

Tennessee has a high percentage of welfare, better than three out of a hundred making it #4 in the nation as a percentage of population on welfare!
This type of state costs US all tax dollars the same can be said of the rest of the craphole red states!

I really don’t know why you’d want to stay in a liberal prosperous state like Minnesota, I’d be happy to buy you a one way bus ticket to the red state of your choice!

Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 03 2014,1:33 pm

According to Bloomberg, the 19th Strongest Job Market: < Memphis, Tenn. >

Also, Forbes has < Nashville > as the 5th best place for business and careers and 16th in job growth.

RTW must be doing something for them.

Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 03 2014,1:35 pm

Minnesota is the 4th highest taxed state with a bloated HHS department whose funding increases each year yet our child poverty rates remain stagnent at 15%.

Great job!!

:clap:

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 03 2014,1:46 pm

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[quote=Self-Banished,Feb. 03 2014,4:53

I really don’t know why you’d want to stay in a liberal prosperous state like Minnesota, I’d be happy to buy you a one way bus ticket to the red state of your choice!

Because redneck union hillbillies like you buy products from the customers I provide service to.

Any other questions?

Posted by grassman on Feb. 03 2014,2:27 pm

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Maybe it's the Demacrats.
Nashville has been a Democratic stronghold since at least the end of Reconstruction, and has remained staunchly Democratic even as the state as a whole has trended strongly Republican. While local elections are officially nonpartisan, nearly all of the city's elected officials are known to be Democrats. At the state level, Democrats hold all but two of the city's 10 state house districts and all but one of the city's four state senate districts. Pockets of Republican influence exist in the wealthier portions of the city, but they are usually no match for the overwhelming Democratic trend in the rest of the city.

Democrats are no less dominant at the federal level. Democratic presidential candidates have only failed to carry Davidson County three times since the end of Reconstruction. In 1968, third-party candidate George C. Wallace carried Nashville with a plurality of 35.1 percent. In 1972, Richard Nixon became the first Republican to carry Nashville since Reconstruction, winning it with 61 percent of the vote as part of his 49-state landslide that year; as part of it, Nixon carried 90 of Tennessee's 95 counties. In 1988, George H. W. Bush narrowly won Nashville with 52 percent of the vote.

In most years, Democrats have carried Nashville at the presidential level with relatively little difficulty, even in years when they lose Tennessee as a whole. This has been especially true in recent elections. In the 2000 presidential election, Al Gore carried Nashville with over 59% of the vote even as he narrowly lost his home state. In the 2004 election, John Kerry carried Nashville with 55% of the vote even as George W. Bush won the state by 14 points. In 2008, Barack Obama carried Nashville with 60% of the vote even as John McCain won Tennessee by 15 points.

Despite its size, all of Nashville has been in a single congressional district for most of the time since Reconstruction; it is currently numbered as the 5th District, represented by Democrat Jim Cooper. A Republican has not represented a significant portion of Nashville since 1874. Republicans made a few spirited challenges in the mid-1960s and early 1970s. The Republicans almost won it in 1968; only a strong showing by a candidate from Wallace's American Independent Party kept the seat in Democratic hands. However, they have not made a serious bid for the district since 1972, when the Republican candidate gained only 38% of the vote even as Nixon carried the district in the presidential election by a large margin. The district's best-known congressman was probably Jo Byrns, who represented the district from 1909 to 1936 and was Speaker of the House for much of Franklin Roosevelt's first term as President. Another nationally prominent congressman from Nashville was Percy Priest, who represented the district from 1941 to 1956 and was House Majority Whip from 1949 to 1953. Former mayors Richard Fulton and Bill Boner also sat in the U.S. House before assuming the Metro mayoral office.

From 2003 to 2013, a sliver of southwestern Nashville was located in the 7th District, represented by Republican Marsha Blackburn. This area was roughly coextensive with the portion of Nashville she'd represented in the state senate from 1998 to 2002. However, the 5th regained all of Nashville after the 2010 census.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 03 2014,4:21 pm

Gov. Haslam is a republican but at least it's better than a demarat.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 03 2014,6:27 pm

You are so one sided to the point of being ridiculous. :laugh:

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2014,2:38 am

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You are so one sided to the point of being ridiculous. :laugh:

Freedom is a wonderful side to be on. :thumbsup:

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 04 2014,11:12 am

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You are so one sided to the point of being ridiculous. :laugh:

Freedom is a wonderful side to be on. :thumbsup:

Freedom is just a catch phase, the real Conservative plutocracy seeks to rollback democracy’s social gains, such as public education, affordable housing, health care, collective bargaining, a living wage, safe work conditions, a non-toxic sustainable environment, the right to privacy, the separation of church and state, freedom from compulsory pregnancy, and the right to marry any consenting adult of one’s own choosing, they’d even try to keep you alive after you’re dead for profit, that’s the freedom they talk about keeping the worker enslaved!

It’s truly despicable that Union busting has become a major industry with more than a thousand consulting firms teaching companies how to prevent workers from organizing and how to get rid of existing unions.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2014,12:14 pm

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You are so one sided to the point of being ridiculous. :laugh:

Freedom is a wonderful side to be on. :thumbsup:

Most of this bullsh!t you speak of comes at the expense of others.

I liked the mention of privacy, why don't you write a letter to your president telling him to shut the NSA down.

Unions are of no benefit in today's work force what with safety regulations (OSHA) and fed. Workers rights laws. All the unions are is a strong arm division of the demarat party, you don't toe the line you get thumped.

The only place unions are thriving now are gov. jobs in forced membership states. You like that term? Pretty much describes it, FORCED MEMBERSHIP, let these workers decide for themselves if they want to join . Minnesota should become a right to work state. That's freedom.

Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 04 2014,12:21 pm

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freedom from compulsory pregnancy.

WT... is that? Show me a conservative who would force a woman to become pregnant.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 04 2014,12:31 pm

^ that's just Expat, probably the only way he can get laid.

Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 04 2014,2:46 pm

(Expatriate @ Feb. 04 2014,11:12 am)

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I've been accused of being a conservative by a few on this board despite many of my positions being contrary. I would say I am fiscally conservative but socially moderate if not liberal. As such let me answer your points from my point of view on them, extremely condensed answers.

public education
I don't seek to roll back public education, just the way it is paid for. I have a long standing position that the money should follow the student. If a parent wants to send their kid to a private school, why should they fund public school at the same time via their property taxes (assuming they own their own home).
There's no doubt the public education has become a huge sink hole for financing, it is much like the war on drugs/poverty, the more money we throw at it, the less results we see.

affordable housing
Not really sure how one defines 'affordable' for a given family, nor how do you price a house accordingly. Our economy is based on market conditions for the most part, if one cannot afford a house in a desired area, one needs to look elsewhere. Home ownership isn't for everyone, much like advanced education.
I am not opposed to go gov't loans, with lowered interest rates, but their cannot be handouts.

health care
On this I agree. I have been in favor of health care overhaul for many years, but the current debacle known as the ACA couldn't have been a worse piece of legislation. It did NOTHING to address the COST of healthcare, it only forced how people acquire it.

collective bargaining
In the private sector I'm okay with it. In the public sector, no way. It is illogical for those that are seeking votes, bargain with those that do the voting. It opens the door for all sorts of corruption. Even FDR knew it was a bad idea.

a living wage
Once again, who defines what a living wage is? Enough to purchase a home? Feed a family of 4? of 12?
A job is worth what the job pays. I am ok with a minimum wage although for the most part, in most areas of the country I don't think it is necessary. There is no way you will convince me that putting cheese on a patty then slopping a bun on top and wrapping it up is worth $15/hr in rural America.

safe work conditions
I don't know anyone that is arguing against this. I think the problem is OSHA not enforcing, or capable of enforcing, and companies that don't give a sh!t.

a non-toxic sustainable environment
Again I am for this at a reasonable cost. There needs to be a path to this and not some EPA mandate in most cases.

the right to privacy
You'll get no argument from me here

the separation of church and state
You'll get no argument from me here

freedom from compulsory pregnancy
I'm not really sure WTF that even means but I am assuming you mean birth control and/or abortion.
I am for birth control and I am ok with abortion to a certain point. At some point that is viable human being and sometime soon, science and the law need to work together and figure out what that is. It makes no sense that one can get charged with double homicide for killing a pregnant woman, yet if the mother does that to the fetus it is ok. Short side is, I'd rather terminate the pregnancy of an unfit mother than have a child born into a real hell hole of a situation.

right to marry any consenting adult of one’s own choosing
I'm fine with this. In fact I'm ok with bigamy provided all are consenting adults.

they’d even try to keep you alive after you’re dead for profit
I'm in favor of right to die and mercy killing laws.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 04 2014,4:51 pm

So are you enjoying the Super Bowl win? I bet the smoke is thick! :;):

Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 05 2014,9:50 am

I tend to agree with much of what you are saying GIL; in part. In defining the separation of church and state, I've often wondered where that actually comes from? The Constitution does not say there must be a separation of church and state. Yet the left empathetically runs around proclaiming that the separation is their constitutional right. Their attack on the separation involves twisting words and making an inconvenient part of the Constitution disappear just as they do in the Second Amendment.

Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 05 2014,10:38 am

For me, the church/state thing isn't a big issue. Until religion is mandated or forced upon us. If someone wants the 10 commandments on the courthouse lawn: Fine. If they want a statue of allah; fine.
Doesn't bother me in the least.
It's freedom OF, not freedom FROM.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 05 2014,10:51 am

@ GIL
I’ll have to retract at least one of the times I called you a republitard but some days I swear you’re riding on the Limbaugh bus.

On the right of Government workers to collective bargain/unionize I’ll disagree with you, I remember back in the 60’s no one wanted these Government jobs
they didn’t pay that great, private sector had more money and benefits! What’s happened there’s an all out war on labor, the right wing has demonized unions.

It started with Ronald Reagan firing the air traffic controllers union (PATCO) that was the green light and what we’ve seen is a downward spiral in union job/wage/benefit an upward spiral in national debt, these two numbers definitely coincide.

Government wages have sustained primarily do to Democratic style government , the influx of tea party Governors & legislatures in other states has seen their government workers wages rights and benefits legislated away.

A populace with less money to spend and a few with more money to hoard makes the wheel of capitalism flat!

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 05 2014,11:06 am

a few quotes from George Carlin

If churches want to play the game of politics, let them pay admission like everyone else
~George Carlin,

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
~George Carlin

Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 05 2014,11:28 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 05 2014,10:51 am)

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@ GIL
I’ll have to retract at least one of the times I called you a republitard but some days I swear you’re riding on the Limbaugh bus.

THANK YOU! For doing it "at least once"

And for the record, I think Limbaugh is a self promoting blow hard who only cares about himself and his ratings.

I've said it before, I grew up in a mixed house. My mom was the republican and my dad was the democrat.
I honestly think that is why my overall view is pretty centrist.
I've taken several of those online tests to find your political compass and typically I am pretty close to center, leaning libertarian.

Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 05 2014,11:33 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 05 2014,11:06 am)

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Agree x2

Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 05 2014,11:57 am

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 05 2014,12:32 pm

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 05 2014,12:36 pm

Reagan fired the air traffic controllers because of a threat to public safety, nothing more then that.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 05 2014,3:27 pm

R I G H T !

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 05 2014,7:13 pm

...and Obama's been totally truthful the last 5 years.

Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 06 2014,8:34 am

Most transparent administration in history...

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 06 2014,9:21 am

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 05 2014,12:36 pm)

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Reagan fired the air traffic controllers because of a threat to public safety, nothing more then that.

You’re a tool, it was about money the airlines were losing billions, Reagan was a corporate lackey!
If there was any danger it was putting inexperienced scabs on the job and overworking them!

Reagan spent more money scabbing the Controllers then if he would have just signed the contract.
Reagan doubled the national debt during his tenure partially do to his union busting!

IMO Air traffic Controllers wages and benefits should be totally funded by those use the service, e.g. the ticket
or air freight price should reflect the true cost of flying!

What we have here is a large corporate subsidy on the backs of the taxpayers!

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2014,9:27 am

Yep, pretty easy to see through them.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2014,9:28 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 06 2014,9:21 am)

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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 05 2014,12:36 pm)

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Reagan fired the air traffic controllers because of a threat to public safety, nothing more then that.

Are you working on this fine holiday?

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 06 2014,10:27 am

24/7/365

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 06 2014,10:41 am

^your mouth must get sore.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 06 2014,10:57 pm

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 07 2014,7:08 am

(Expatriate @ Feb. 06 2014,10:57 pm)

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You shouldn't try to perform that "service" when you're trying to post.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 07 2014,9:48 am

(Glad I Left @ Jan. 30 2014,12:24 pm)

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Actions like that certainly are not owned by union workers. I worked in a non union machine shop. I worked on parts during the day and others worked on them during the night. I was told by one that I was going to fast and that it would make them look bad. I told him they had better speed up then. It reflects people's work habits, not the union. The union contract is a guarantee to get the job done for a specific amount of compensation.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 07 2014,3:41 pm

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 07 2014,4:16 pm

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(Glad I Left @ Jan. 30 2014,12:24 pm)

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The one and only time I belonged to a union(more like paying for protection) I got my ass chewed for picking up a broom and doing extra work.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 07 2014,4:50 pm

Well, there you go. Your one and only time. Was the first girl you kissed, your wife?

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 07 2014,5:06 pm

First impressions are lasting ones.

Posted by Moparman on Feb. 07 2014,7:42 pm

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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 04 2014,2:38 am)

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You are so one sided to the point of being ridiculous. :laugh:

Freedom is a wonderful side to be on. :thumbsup:

OSHA? Seriously? The same OSHA that MIGHT fine a company a few thousand dollars if they kill an employee?
Workers rights laws? Like the right to get fired for wearing the wrong tie? Or driving the wrong car? The laws for vacation, holidays, sick time, hours of work? All those laws?

The right to get fired for any reason whatsoever is not what I call freedom!

If you don't want to work in a union shop, don't apply there. Simple as that, nothing is forced.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 08 2014,4:36 am

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 08 2014,5:51 am

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You are so one sided to the point of being ridiculous. :laugh:

Freedom is a wonderful side to be on. :thumbsup:

Wow, you didn't read the post did you? I stated the strong hold of the unions now are GOVERNMENT JOBS, I think they"re going to give every concession there is for their employees wether they be union or not.

I don't apply at union shops, if they have something I want I usually can just walk in and take it. We chased most of the union scum out of our business years ago.

Now excuse me, I have to go find the right tie to go to work today :rofl:

Posted by Moparman on Feb. 08 2014,11:02 pm

"Walk in and take it", uh ok tough guy! :rofl:

Troll, Troll, Troll!!! Good thing I gave up taking you seriously a long time ago. But, I still find your tall tales slightly amusing once in a while.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 09 2014,5:26 am

^^^jeezus

Posted by grassman on Feb. 09 2014,7:39 am

You should try reading about him sometime, it might help enlighten your way of thinking. :thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 09 2014,8:30 am

^^^No, that would be spelled Jesus
And I'm not exactly the religious type.

But we'll have a go,

1 Timothy 5:8
"But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

Posted by grassman on Feb. 09 2014,9:33 am

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That's what I thought, you don't understand what you read. :;):

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 09 2014,10:26 am

As I stated, I'm not really the religious type however I do understand and believe this,

Darwinism

n.
A theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. Also called Darwinian theory.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 09 2014,12:52 pm

Topic in church today, what is a Christian. Many people believe in Christ, which is good, but how many follow Him.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 09 2014,3:06 pm

I really hate organized religion, probably why I loath unions.

Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 10 2014,7:48 am

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(grassman @ Feb. 07 2014,9:48 am)

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(Glad I Left @ Jan. 30 2014,12:24 pm)

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The one and only time I belonged to a union(more like paying for protection) I got my ass chewed for picking up a broom and doing extra work.

I remember working a trade show in Vegas and got threatened by a member of the local Teamsters union that I would get dragged out in the desert because I plugged in an extension cord to the panel.
I was quickly informed that I cannot do that. I can plug the cord into another cord that is plugged into the panel, but to plug the cord into the panel required a union worker to do so.
Jeebus, that meant filing paperwork and being put in the queue. which would have meant another hour of wait. And it was obviously too much work for the guy on the cart to do as he spent more time telling me about how I can't do it, rather than just plugging it in for me.
Needless to say when he left I plugged it in anyway.
And I shouldn't restrict that to Vegas, similar things have happened in Orlando and KC.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 10 2014,8:31 am

^^^typical union thug thinking.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 10 2014,9:14 am

I agree that kind of behavior is not doing the union any justice. Sometimes people over react to a situation. That sort of thing is what usually puts a bad light on anything.

Posted by twingroves on Feb. 10 2014,11:43 am

all a union is good for is to keep some fat ass sitting in a 500.00 chair something to do heres to the union :finger:

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 10 2014,12:11 pm

I worked at a non-union TV station that was bought up by FOX Television, and had a union shop already in town. We were all eventually merged into the union station's facility.

What a fugging joke. Our engineering department of 8 people did same work that their department of 20 did. Totally useless, incapable-of-thinking-out-of-the-box "that's not my job" types. Again: Useless

I remember feeling like a complete idiot having to tell the sports guy he needed an engineer there if he wanted to view a videotape. He could no longer just walk to a VTR an throw a tape in.

The only benefit I noticed was that vacation day picks were based on seniority. Big deal. I could see a union being useful if it protected employees from some dangerous ramshackle flywheels or such, but not for that trivial B.S.

Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 10 2014,2:32 pm

Would it have prevented you from getting fired if you gave some little lost kid a ride home in the company car?

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 10 2014,3:35 pm

Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 10 2014,4:31 pm

Many of them have the simple minded mob-rule syndrome also. < THUGS >, take your pick.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 10 2014,4:50 pm

^^^ more accurately most of them have the "thuggy" mentality. At least in my experience.

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 10 2014,6:58 pm

Posted by grassman on Feb. 10 2014,9:16 pm

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I really hate organized religion, probably why I loath unions.

I used to have that idea of organized religion, to a lesser extreme. I have memories of some of those tv evangelists. My favorite was ' Jesus never said I had to be a pauper. Meanwhile he clears old peoples bank accounts and cruises in his 120 foot yacht. I lost my belief in what was good. It is a tough lesson to figure out what is good and what is bad. Like you say life is not easy. Now I am proud to say that I am once again a big believer and try to be a follower in Jesus, the SON OF GOD. I will tell you SB, you can be the baddest, the smartest, the most driven. It comes down to, you need A force in your life. A reliable force. That force is Jesus and friends. :notworthy:

You say you are buying property up here, I invite you to come to our church. It made a big connection with me! pm me :rockon:

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 11 2014,3:18 am

(grassman @ Feb. 10 2014,9:16 pm)

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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 09 2014,3:06 pm)

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I really hate organized religion, probably why I loath unions.

You say you are buying property up here, I invite you to come to our church. It made a big connection with me! pm me :rockon:

Translation: You got older, and worried about where you'll wind up when you die.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 11 2014,6:03 am

Older, wiser, and yes. I now know I can not do it on my own.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2014,6:45 am

So what does religion have to do with unions???

Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 11 2014,8:12 am

(MADDOG @ Feb. 10 2014,2:32 pm)

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Would it have prevented you from getting fired if you gave some little lost kid a ride home in the company car?

I think I know of the incident you're referring to. Perhaps that would have gone down a different road in a union shop. As it stood, station management was looking to eliminate long-ago negotiated salaries of legacy employees. Any vacated position is filled by someone earning much less.

Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 11 2014,9:24 am

^^^ "at will" employment
There are no promises in life.

Posted by MADDOG on Feb. 11 2014,10:01 am

(Botto 82 @ Feb. 11 2014,3:18 am)

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Translation: You got older, and worried about where you'll wind up when you die.

Clarification: Believers don't worry about where they'll go when they die.

Gman, :thumbsup:

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2014,3:03 pm

Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 11 2014,3:47 pm

(Self-Banished @ Feb. 10 2014,8:31 am)

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typical union thug thinking.