Topic: Cooked unemployment numbers
started by: Self-Banished
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2013,9:26 am
It's starting to look like this administration is dirtier than the last 4 combined.< http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mcgrath/131019 >
Posted by Botto 82 on Nov. 19 2013,11:20 am
I've been saying this for a while, now. Unemployment figures do not take into account people that are not actively seeking either work or UI benefits. Heresy Against Doctrine, the Obamunists will cry...
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2013,11:54 am
I know but it's starting to look like some of this sh!t is sticking. 
Posted by Memphis on Nov. 19 2013,5:05 pm
Last number I heard was 27% of people on UI are not looking for a job. I have offered a few people a full time job with bennifits and they turn them down saying "I'll stay on UI", or "i'll let Obama keep giving me a paid vacation".
Posted by grassman on Nov. 19 2013,5:08 pm
Up here they are advertising jobs on the radio. People can go to work.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 19 2013,5:42 pm
Lots of deadbeats living off our labor 
So what else is going to come out now that the lame-stream press has started to turn on him?
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 19 2013,7:20 pm
When a blogger on a teabagging site regurgitates a year old debunked story it's a sure sign the main stream media has turned on Obama. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 20 2013,3:40 am
^and your sites for info are pure as the wind driven snow
Posted by irisheyes on Nov. 20 2013,7:32 pm
(Self-Banished @ Nov. 19 2013,9:26 am)
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It's starting to look like this administration is dirtier than the last 4 combined.
< http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mcgrath/131019 >
< http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mcgrath/131019 >
Another conspiracy?
I was just at < RenewAmerica.com > a few weeks ago. That's where they informed me that the guy below is "the founder of the TEA party movement".
Yep, that's one of their favorite writers at RenewAmerica and WND. < RenewAmerica: Larry Klayman column >
But back to UI numbers. I've said before on here, if unemployment numbers go up you guys would complain and blame the economy on Obama. But what's really a surprise is if they GO DOWN you'll complain there's another conspiracy and blame Obama.
Another day, another Obama conspiracy...
Posted by Liberal on Nov. 20 2013,8:34 pm
But this one is starting to stick since the main stream media has turned on Obama.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 21 2013,4:33 am
And they haven't?One of your heroes
< http://t.mediaite.com/mediait...2b09ab3 >
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 21 2013,7:09 pm
(Liberal @ Nov. 20 2013,8:34 pm)
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But this one is starting to stick since the main stream media has turned on Obama.
Hmmm...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 06 2014,6:28 am
I found this to be a very enjoyable read this AMEspecially the comments section
< http://inplainsight.nbcnews.com/_news...ar?lite >
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 06 2014,11:49 am
Isn't it wonderful that unemployment numbers fell last year just before the..., um, I forget. The republicans tried to tell the public the reason was people falling off unemployment insurance and those who had quit looking for work. The media won't hear of it.Now the leftist media wants to print
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The improving unemployment rate is largely due to people dropping out of the labor force,
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"Once you become unemployed for more than six months, you pretty much fall into a trap,"
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 06 2014,1:16 pm
There are jobs, good ones too. They're not going to pay $50-$60 grand a year but at least you won't have to look at your family's shameful look when you open up your UI check.
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 06 2014,4:17 pm
These guys have had the < welcome mat > out for quite some time.It can't be too bad. I know people who have driven from Albert Lea to work there for years.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jan. 06 2014,7:12 pm
^i had a friend who worked there in the seventies, crappy job but it's work.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jan. 10 2014,4:05 pm
The gross manipulation of the unemployment rate due to the plunging labor force participation rate and the soaring, record number of people that are not in the labor force is by now, we hope, clear to all. Yes, millions may be dropping out of the labor force because they can't find a job which somehow means the US economy is getting better, but sadly the US civilian, non-institutional population keeps rising, and hit a record 246.7 million in December. Which is why every month we show what the real unemployment rate would look like when normalized for the fudged participation rate by taking a 30 year average.Today, we find that the difference between the reported (6.7%) unemployment rate, and the implied using realistic assumptions for the US labor force, which remained at 11.5% where it has been ever since the start of the Second Great Depression, just hit a record high 4.8%. As did the spin, lies and obfuscation by the administration that "all is well."
< Article >
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2014,4:34 am
This...
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2014,4:35 am
...and this,
Posted by grassman on Feb. 19 2014,7:31 am
Well, what happened to all of them jobs that was promised if there was big tax breaks for the wealthy?
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2014,8:42 am
Probably the same place the jobs went that Bammer promised.
Posted by irisheyes on Feb. 19 2014,2:55 pm
Domestic spending to improve our infrastructure and raise the minimum wage has been fought by the other side every step of the way. If you want to improve the numbers, start calling the Republican caucus and tell them to stop standing in the way of those objectives.We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 19 2014,4:12 pm
But we can't rebuild our infrastructure and the Middle East's. Besides, in the US, there are bidding rules.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2014,4:31 pm
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Domestic spending to improve our infrastructure and raise the minimum wage has been fought by the other side every step of the way. If you want to improve the numbers, start calling the Republican caucus and tell them to stop standing in the way of those objectives.
We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
But the CBO says raising the min. Will cost jobs, this from an outfit the progressives love to cite till it goes the opposite of their philosophy.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 19 2014,4:33 pm
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But we can't rebuild our infrastructure and the Middle East's. Besides, in the US, there are bidding rules.
Foreign aid? This we agree on.
Posted by grassman on Feb. 19 2014,6:32 pm
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 19 2014,4:31 pm)
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(irisheyes @ Feb. 19 2014,2:55 pm)
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Domestic spending to improve our infrastructure and raise the minimum wage has been fought by the other side every step of the way. If you want to improve the numbers, start calling the Republican caucus and tell them to stop standing in the way of those objectives.
We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
But the CBO says raising the min. Will cost jobs, this from an outfit the progressives love to cite till it goes the opposite of their philosophy.
You believe that BS. The guy that owns our local MCdonalds has 4 stores that I know of.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 20 2014,2:04 am
(grassman @ Feb. 19 2014,6:32 pm)
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(Self-Banished @ Feb. 19 2014,4:31 pm)
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(irisheyes @ Feb. 19 2014,2:55 pm)
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Domestic spending to improve our infrastructure and raise the minimum wage has been fought by the other side every step of the way. If you want to improve the numbers, start calling the Republican caucus and tell them to stop standing in the way of those objectives.
We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
But the CBO says raising the min. Will cost jobs, this from an outfit the progressives love to cite till it goes the opposite of their philosophy.
You believe that BS. The guy that owns our local MCdonalds has 4 stores that I know of.
As I said, the progressives love the CBO till it goes against them.
Owning several franchises? Oh! How despicable! Using those kids starting out in the job market for his evil profits
I know a couple of kids that have worked their way through college working at Micky-D's. One has stayed with a franchisee and manages two stores, he makes really good $ doing this.
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 20 2014,7:50 am
Yeah, too bad McFood is unhealthy crap that's driving up healthcare costs. Way to shoot yourself in the foot, 'Merica. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 20 2014,8:07 am
^ me? Personally, I don't eat the crap.The buns are white bread
The meat is... Questionable?
And I really like to stay away from deep fried stuff.
But a job is a job when you're a kid.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 23 2014,7:59 am
(irisheyes @ Feb. 19 2014,2:55 pm)
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Domestic spending to improve our infrastructure and raise the minimum wage has been fought by the other side every step of the way. If you want to improve the numbers, start calling the Republican caucus and tell them to stop standing in the way of those objectives.
We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
We have to shut down the parks every time Congress doesn't want to spend the money they already approved. If the economy is a priority, it seems like a great time to bring our infrastructure into the 21st Century and increase the buying power of the consumer.
Interesting comments after 5 years and 830 billion dollars in borrowed funds since the Obama's Recovery Act was signed.
What happened to all of those shovel ready projects? Probably the same thing that happened to Clinton's 100,000 cops program.
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 23 2014,9:36 am
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 23 2014,7:59 am)
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What happened to all of those shovel ready projects?
Posted by irisheyes on Feb. 27 2014,6:26 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 19 2014,4:31 pm)
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But the CBO says raising the min. Will cost jobs, this from an outfit the progressives love to cite till it goes the opposite of their philosophy.
I'll include the actual report, because I fear you may have caught the cliff notes version from infowars or Fox. You're right though, CBO reports often give data that both sides can attack. You have to look at both, not just the spin from Alex Jones, Fox, or MSNBC.
Higher wages for 16.5 million, but far more as the report says if you factor in a basic economic theory that most of us have been saying for quite a while. Henry Ford knew it, FDR knew it, and anyone who understands what buying power in the hands of the consumer knows it.
But if you'd prefer, here it is straight from the report you brought up:
CBO:
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Further, a few higher-wage workers would owe their jobs and increased earnings to the heightened demand for goods and services that would result from the minimum-wage increase. The increased earnings for low-wage workers resulting from the higher minimum wage would total $31 billion, by CBO’s estimate. However, those earnings would not go only to low-income families, because many low-wage workers are not members of low-income families. Just 19 percent of the $31 billion would accrue to families with earnings below the poverty threshold, whereas 29 percent would accrue to families earning more than three times the poverty threshold, CBO estimates.
< CBO: The Effects of a Minimum Wage Increase >
< CBO: The Effects of a Minimum Wage Increase >
That's a hell of a lot more than the Bush tax cuts to investors ever produced, and we lost a lot more revenue and jobs from that.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2014,6:47 am
^^^and we've lost a lot of wealth and production under our present situation.Personally I have no problem with a minimum wage increase but be prepared for the inflation that comes with it.
I keep asking a question though and maybe you'll answer it for me IE, how much? I mean enough to support one's self or enough to support a family? Of three, four, more??
Posted by irisheyes on Feb. 27 2014,6:47 am
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 23 2014,7:59 am)
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What happened to all of those shovel ready projects? Probably the same thing that happened to Clinton's 100,000 cops program.
Go to the new Albert Lea airport, you can see what happened for yourself to one of those shovel-ready projects.
If you don't mind driving a few miles I can get you a list of plenty others. Let me know how many places you want to visit and I'll get you the locations of the projects and try to find the contractors who didn't have to send out pink slips as a result.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 27 2014,8:28 am
^ I saw one of the shovel ready projects, it was by Forest Lake mn, about 20 miles of repaving on I35. It's called top coating, a couple of inches of asphalt over the top of the old pavement. In Mn., it's absolutely worthless, falls apart during the winter.Hope your airport was treated better.
Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 27 2014,9:38 pm
(irisheyes @ Feb. 27 2014,6:47 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Feb. 23 2014,7:59 am)
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What happened to all of those shovel ready projects? Probably the same thing that happened to Clinton's 100,000 cops program.
Go to the new Albert Lea airport, you can see what happened for yourself to one of those shovel-ready projects.
If you don't mind driving a few miles I can get you a list of plenty others. Let me know how many places you want to visit and I'll get you the locations of the projects and try to find the contractors who didn't have to send out pink slips as a result.
Let's see the list. If Albert Lea is your example of prosperity and growth, then I've got some ocean front property to sell ya.
Now I know why Jim is no longer "allowed" to make public comments on this forum.
Nuff said.
Posted by Expatriate on Feb. 27 2014,10:13 pm
(Common Citizen @ Feb. 27 2014,9:38 pm)
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Now I know why Jim is no longer "allowed" to make public comments on this forum.
Nuff said.
Nuff said.
Someone is stepping on the Wino’s 1st Amendment Rights and he’s letting them, guess you gotta goosestep if you want to march in the good old boy's parade!
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 28 2014,3:16 am
(Self-Banished @ Feb. 27 2014,6:47 am)
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and we've lost a lot of wealth and production under our present situation.
My God, man, are you that myopic? We've been on the downslide a lot longer than 6 years.
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2014,4:44 am
^^I haven't
Posted by Botto 82 on Feb. 28 2014,7:49 am
Your situation is hardly indicative of the economy as a whole. 
Posted by Self-Banished on Feb. 28 2014,8:10 am
(Botto 82 @ Feb. 28 2014,7:49 am)
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Your situation is hardly indicative of the economy as a whole.
I know that but it works for me. I'm my own favorite business.