Topic: Gay Marriage Passes MN Senate
started by: irisheyes
Posted by irisheyes on May 13 2013,10:45 pm
Highly emotional issue for many people. But us Minnesotans are almost done, the bill is just waiting for Dayton's signature. And no one doubts that the governor will sign it.< AL Tribune, Gay Marriage last legislative step >
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The history
In 1997, the Minnesota Legislature passed the law that inserted the traditional, male-female definition of marriage into state law.
By 2004, gay marriage opponents were pushing for more. U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, then a state senator, launched a multi-year effort to get the Legislature to put a constitutional amendment before voters statewide that would have strengthened Minnesota’s existing law against gay marriage by adding it to the state constitution. Throughout the last decade, more than two dozen other states passed such constitutional amendments.
But in Minnesota, leaders of the Democratic-led Senate continually blocked Bachmann’s efforts. A former Senate Democratic leader, Dean Johnson of Willmar, even lost his legislative seat after Republicans highlighted his repeated thwarting of the push against gay marriage. But Republicans finally had full control of the Legislature in 2011, and they promptly moved the constitutional gay marriage ban to the 2012 statewide ballot.
That turned out to be an epic miscalculation. The amendment failed on an Election Day that also saw Democrats retake full control of the Legislature, and the campaign that formed to defeat the amendment quickly turned its considerable resources to pushing legal gay marriage at the Capitol.
In 1997, the Minnesota Legislature passed the law that inserted the traditional, male-female definition of marriage into state law.
By 2004, gay marriage opponents were pushing for more. U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, then a state senator, launched a multi-year effort to get the Legislature to put a constitutional amendment before voters statewide that would have strengthened Minnesota’s existing law against gay marriage by adding it to the state constitution. Throughout the last decade, more than two dozen other states passed such constitutional amendments.
But in Minnesota, leaders of the Democratic-led Senate continually blocked Bachmann’s efforts. A former Senate Democratic leader, Dean Johnson of Willmar, even lost his legislative seat after Republicans highlighted his repeated thwarting of the push against gay marriage. But Republicans finally had full control of the Legislature in 2011, and they promptly moved the constitutional gay marriage ban to the 2012 statewide ballot.
That turned out to be an epic miscalculation. The amendment failed on an Election Day that also saw Democrats retake full control of the Legislature, and the campaign that formed to defeat the amendment quickly turned its considerable resources to pushing legal gay marriage at the Capitol.
What say you guys, cheers or jeers? Personally I'm glad to see it pass.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2013,4:36 am
Well I'm not surprised you're happy, good for you IE. are you and your "partner" going to have a traditional wedding? or will it just be a courthouse wedding?I' m assuming white will be out of the question
Posted by Common Citizen on May 14 2013,4:58 am
Just think of the economic impact this has. Wedding planners, caterers, musicians, divorce attorney's, not to mention our court system.An entrepreneur will figure out to capitalize on this decision. Any welfare people out there listening?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2013,5:46 am
Damn! CC, you're right!Thoughts of being a divorce attorney for queers, $200 plus an hour, mediation services, put the couple in a room so they can have a "slap fight"
It' be an easier job than driving truck.
Posted by pepi la pew on May 14 2013,7:09 am
Every dumb a$$ that voted for it should be voted out of office. If the people of his area didn't want him to vote for it. Some of them felt it was god leaning on them to vote it in to law. 
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 14 2013,7:28 am
Since this passed, then everyone should be ok with the next step and re-introduce polygamous marriages.After all it is a persons right to marry who he or she pleases.
Posted by MADDOG on May 14 2013,8:06 am
This whole new thing could give a whole new meaning to "I'm married to a real dog."
Posted by MADDOG on May 14 2013,9:36 am
Minnesota brought us legendary tough guys like Paul Bunyan and Bronco Nagurski. Now it brings Goldy the Gay Gopher.
Posted by ControlledHyperness on May 14 2013,9:45 am
First off...if like to know which Republicans decided to vote to pass this in the House. They should be the first to be voted out for being a turn coat. Secondly, nothing like voting for personal bias...despite what a majority of one's (Savick) constituents ask/tell you to do. Oh!! And lay it all out in major papers a few days in advance that you are going against your constituents.
Thirdly, it only passed the House by 16 votes...totally a close vote.
Fourthly, it only passed the Senate by 7 votes. This says some Democrats may have rethought how good an idea this vote may be. They should be recognized for thinking.
Finally, I'm not happy with it. Being in a normal marriage, with kids, I'm now a minority. I'm also weird. Of course, one of those stigmas has followed me thru life...
Lastly, I know my numerical system isn't accurate. I'm just trying to blend in with society...lol!!!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2013,5:05 pm
(MADDOG @ May 14 2013,8:06 am)
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This whole new thing could give a whole new meaning to "I'm married to a real dog."
Oh Maddog, holy matrimony between animals and humans?
Can Gov. Dayton introduce a bill?
The barnyard animal/marriage bill
Oh who Gov. Beastly is speaking on TV as I post this
I feel all a flutter
What a crock of sh!t this is
Posted by Banacek on May 14 2013,5:46 pm
I'm really shocked and stunned by these ignorant and highly prejudiced responses. It's no wonder few citizens decide to comment here. I know it's hard. I know it's hard to except the fact that a majority of people refuse to hate people because they are gay, but you'll get over it.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 14 2013,7:04 pm
^whine some more 
Posted by alcitizens on May 14 2013,8:33 pm
Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence
Posted by Common Citizen on May 14 2013,9:22 pm
so if you are taking the part of "created equal" as literal and transcend that meaning to justify equal rights under marriage, then you must also except the word "man" as literal. therefore only men are created equal...not women.
Posted by Liberal on May 14 2013,9:44 pm
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man
1 [man] Show IPA noun, plural men, verb, manned, man·ning, interjection
noun
1.
an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.
2.
a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man.
3.
the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind: Man hopes for peace, but prepares for war.
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Posted by grassman on May 14 2013,10:00 pm
I just heard a song yesterday, I am in love with my automobile. Guess who does it! 
Posted by Liberal on May 14 2013,11:03 pm
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Finally, I'm not happy with it. Being in a normal marriage, with kids, I'm now a minority. I'm also weird. Of course, one of those stigmas has followed me thru life...
A minority? How do you become a "minority" when same sex marriage is legalized?
Posted by MADDOG on May 15 2013,9:44 am
(grassman @ May 14 2013,10:00 pm)
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I just heard a song yesterday, I am in love with my automobile. Guess who does it!
Posted by Common Citizen on May 15 2013,5:34 pm
(Liberal @ May 14 2013,9:44 pm)
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man
1 [man] Show IPA noun, plural men, verb, manned, man·ning, interjection
noun
1.
an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.
2.
a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man.
3.
the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind: Man hopes for peace, but prepares for war.
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man
1 [man] Show IPA noun, plural men, verb, manned, man·ning, interjection
noun
1.
an adult male person, as distinguished from a boy or a woman.
2.
a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man.
3.
the human individual as representing the species, without reference to sex; the human race; humankind: Man hopes for peace, but prepares for war.
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lit·er·al/ˈlɪtərəl/ Show Spelled [lit-er-uhl] Show IPA
adjective
1. in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical: the literal meaning of a word.
2. following the words of the original very closely and exactly: a literal translation of Goethe.
3. true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions.
4. being actually such, without exaggeration or inaccuracy: the literal extermination of a city.
5. (of persons) tending to construe words in the strict sense or in an unimaginative way; matter-of-fact; prosaic.
adjective
1. in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical: the literal meaning of a word.
2. following the words of the original very closely and exactly: a literal translation of Goethe.
3. true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions.
4. being actually such, without exaggeration or inaccuracy: the literal extermination of a city.
5. (of persons) tending to construe words in the strict sense or in an unimaginative way; matter-of-fact; prosaic.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 15 2013,5:39 pm
The only place I don't support gay marriage is via my faith and where I worship. If the state wants to pass a secular law allowing homosexuals to wed then so be it and to each his own. I don't have a problem with that. I DO have a problem if the state forces my church to allow it.This law does not harm me. I am firm in my faith.
...nuff said.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 15 2013,5:43 pm
^ but, couldn't they just have gone to a lawyer and signed a contract?
Posted by Botto 82 on May 15 2013,6:18 pm
Let's not mince words. We all know the big issue opponents to all this have - gay sex. Particularly male gay sex. Ironically, the types described above have no trouble with the hetrosexual equivalent of the aforementioned, but that just further makes my case for the hypocrisy of the opposition to all things homosexual.
Posted by grassman on May 15 2013,8:16 pm
(Common Citizen @ May 15 2013,5:39 pm)
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The only place I don't support gay marriage is via my faith and where I worship. If the state wants to pass a secular law allowing homosexuals to wed then so be it and to each his own. I don't have a problem with that. I DO have a problem if the state forces my church to allow it.
This law does not harm me. I am firm in my faith.
...nuff said.
This law does not harm me. I am firm in my faith.
...nuff said.
Amen Brother! Do what you want but don't make it my problem.
Posted by Liberal on May 15 2013,10:28 pm
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lit·er·al/ˈlɪtərəl/ Show Spelled [lit-er-uhl] Show IPA
adjective
1. in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical: the literal meaning of a word.
2. following the words of the original very closely and exactly: a literal translation of Goethe.
3. true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual: a literal description of conditions.
4. being actually such, without exaggeration or inaccuracy: the literal extermination of a city.
5. (of persons) tending to construe words in the strict sense or in an unimaginative way; matter-of-fact; prosaic.
A dictionary definition is a literal interpretation of a word no matter if it's the first definition listed or the last.
What part of Iowa did you say you were from?
Posted by MADDOG on May 16 2013,6:06 am
Some days. fig·ur·a·tive [fig-yer-uh-tiv]
adjective
1.
of the nature of or involving a figure of speech, especially a metaphor; metaphorical and not literal: The word “head” has several figurative senses, as in “She's the head of the company.” Synonyms: metaphorical, not literal, symbolic.
2.
metaphorically so called: His remark was a figurative boomerang.
3.
abounding in or fond of figures of speech: Elizabethan poetry is highly figurative. Synonyms: ornate, ornamental, flowery, elaborate, florid, grandiloquent.
4.
representing by means of a figure or likeness, as in drawing or sculpture.
5.
representing by a figure or emblem; emblematic.
So then, figurative is a literal word that means not literal? Maybe this a rhetorical question?
Posted by Santorini on May 16 2013,9:40 am
(Botto 82 @ May 15 2013,6:18 pm)
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Let's not mince words. We all know the big issue opponents to all this have - gay sex. Particularly male gay sex.
Ironically, the types described above have no trouble with the hetrosexual equivalent of the aforementioned, but that just further makes my case for the hypocrisy of the opposition to all things homosexual.
Ironically, the types described above have no trouble with the hetrosexual equivalent of the aforementioned, but that just further makes my case for the hypocrisy of the opposition to all things homosexual.
The anus your talking about was not designed for sex. Can easily rupture and bleed which increases disease issues, & increases their likelyhood of some cancers. Surely why gay men don't live much beyond 60's.
Posted by Santorini on May 16 2013,9:59 am
(Banacek @ May 14 2013,5:46 pm)
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I'm really shocked and stunned by these ignorant and highly prejudiced responses. It's no wonder few citizens decide to comment here. I know it's hard. I know it's hard to except the fact that a majority of people refuse to hate people because they are gay, but you'll get over it.
Prejudice, homophobe, fear, ignorant, hate; buzz words used by radical activists to attempt to end rational discussion. No matter how they try to "force" acceptance upon those opposed; gay marriage will not elevate to the level of sanctity as heterosexual marriage. You cannot "force" acceptance which is exactly what they're trying to do by this legislating the bedroom.
Posted by Liberal on May 16 2013,12:14 pm
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fig·ur·a·tive [fig-yer-uh-tiv]
adjective
1.
of the nature of or involving a figure of speech, especially a metaphor; metaphorical and not literal: The word “head” has several figurative senses, as in “She's the head of the company.” Synonyms: metaphorical, not literal, symbolic.
Really? You think the phrase "All men are created equal" in The Declaration of Independence is figurative and not meant to be taken literally?
Posted by Botto 82 on May 16 2013,1:15 pm
(Liberal @ May 16 2013,12:14 pm)
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fig·ur·a·tive [fig-yer-uh-tiv]
adjective
1.
of the nature of or involving a figure of speech, especially a metaphor; metaphorical and not literal: The word “head” has several figurative senses, as in “She's the head of the company.” Synonyms: metaphorical, not literal, symbolic.
Really? You think the phrase "All men are created equal" in The Declaration of Independence is figurative and not meant to be taken literally?
Isn't the answer obvious, given that women couldn't vote back when that was penned, and some people had slaves?
Posted by MADDOG on May 16 2013,1:44 pm
I think it was both.Let me save you the trouble.
posted by MADDOG(May 16 2013,1:44 pm)
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I think it was both.
Posted by hairhertz on May 16 2013,2:01 pm
I'm old and ok with gay marriage.
Posted by MADDOG on May 16 2013,2:44 pm
(hairhertz @ May 16 2013,2:01 pm)
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I'm old and ok with gay marriage.
Don't drop your soap.
Posted by Banacek on May 16 2013,2:49 pm
^Maddog will be waiting with his nuts in the palm of his hand.
Posted by SlapMyMonkey on May 16 2013,3:27 pm
Some of you people have way to much time on your hands...unless someone is forcing themself on you sexually. You shouldn't really care what people are doing between consenting adults.And, who ever said why can't they just go to a lawyer and get papers drawn up. It's because there are tax and inheritance laws that only cover married couples, that do not cover gay unions.
Posted by Common Citizen on May 16 2013,4:44 pm
(Botto 82 @ May 16 2013,1:15 pm)
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(Liberal @ May 16 2013,12:14 pm)
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fig·ur·a·tive [fig-yer-uh-tiv]
adjective
1.
of the nature of or involving a figure of speech, especially a metaphor; metaphorical and not literal: The word “head” has several figurative senses, as in “She's the head of the company.” Synonyms: metaphorical, not literal, symbolic.
Really? You think the phrase "All men are created equal" in The Declaration of Independence is figurative and not meant to be taken literally?
Isn't the answer obvious, given that women couldn't vote back when that was penned, and some people had slaves?
You beat me to it.
Posted by Santorini on May 16 2013,5:20 pm
(SlapMyMonkey @ May 16 2013,3:27 pm)
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Some of you people have way to much time on your hands...unless someone is forcing themself on you sexually. You shouldn't really care what people are doing between consenting adults.
And, who ever said why can't they just go to a lawyer and get papers drawn up. It's because there are tax and inheritance laws that only cover married couples, that do not cover gay unions.
And, who ever said why can't they just go to a lawyer and get papers drawn up. It's because there are tax and inheritance laws that only cover married couples, that do not cover gay unions.
This one you'll have to explain. Federal estate tax is for property over $1,500,000. So we're talking the top 2%, huh. And anyone who receives more than $600 in money inheritance has to claim it. There are no tax and inheritance laws in mn.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 16 2013,5:53 pm
(SlapMyMonkey @ May 16 2013,3:27 pm)
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Some of you people have way to much time on your hands...unless someone is forcing themself on you sexually. You shouldn't really care what people are doing between consenting adults.
And, who ever said why can't they just go to a lawyer and get papers drawn up. It's because there are tax and inheritance laws that only cover married couples, that do not cover gay unions.
And, who ever said why can't they just go to a lawyer and get papers drawn up. It's because there are tax and inheritance laws that only cover married couples, that do not cover gay unions.
Never heard of a will?
Posted by Botto 82 on May 16 2013,6:18 pm
Yeah, the whole "All men are created equal" BS kind of sets up our whole political history as one rooted in hypocrisy, doesn't it?
Posted by Banacek on May 16 2013,9:34 pm
All rich white men are created equal. The fathers were comparing Apples to apples. Slaves, women and indians are created equal but not equal to white men.
Posted by Liberal on May 16 2013,10:55 pm
Posted by ControlledHyperness on May 16 2013,11:00 pm
(Liberal @ May 14 2013,11:03 pm)
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Finally, I'm not happy with it. Being in a normal marriage, with kids, I'm now a minority. I'm also weird. Of course, one of those stigmas has followed me thru life...
A minority? How do you become a "minority" when same sex marriage is legalized?
Give it time. Right now with marriage they will have access to everything traditional marriage does. Oh wait...under civil unions they would have as well. My bad.
Seriously tho, give it time, and they will have access to more things than a traditional marriage will. There is also the schools teaching our kids its ok to be different...and ok to marry that cute guy or girl (depending on gender of like sex). Being gay/being a gay couple is becoming a norm...in a few years, due to intollerance, being in a traditional marriage won't be norm. It will be the weird thing.
Posted by fredbear on May 17 2013,6:30 am
Yeah, how horrible. To let kids know it's okay to be different...
Posted by ControlledHyperness on May 18 2013,12:17 am
That wasn't the point. To be gay in the 50s wss weird, give it 15-20 years and to be straight will be weird. Thankfully, I'm weird already, and embrace that fact. My kids are learning to embrace it too...for themselves
Posted by Santorini on May 19 2013,8:48 am
(fredbear @ May 17 2013,6:30 am)
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Yeah, how horrible. To let kids know it's okay to be different...
There is a distinct difference between "different" due to an obvious physical trait or impairment or "different" because of skin color or "different" because of gender...those differences we have no control over...but "different" because of personal choices???
Posted by Newbie on May 19 2013,7:54 pm
So how old were you when you chose to be Straight?
Posted by irisheyes on May 19 2013,8:27 pm
I'd recommend the documentary For The Bible Tells Me So, available to watch on youtube or Netflix ondemand. A number of pastors, theologians, families, and public figures are interviewed: Richard Gephardt, Desmond Tutu, Bishop Gene Robinson, Rev. Peter Gomes, etc. Several clips of evangelists Jimmy Swaggart, Franklin Graham, and author Dr. James Dobson from "Focus on the Family". Posted by busybee on May 20 2013,12:43 am
Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
Posted by Banacek on May 20 2013,3:39 am
But the Bible tells me so. It tells me to hate gays with all my heart. It tells me to incarcerate medical marijuana users. The Bible directs my hatred. It tells me who to hate. Well, not really the Bible but those who interpret it for me like my minister, he knows who to hate. And if I believe in Jesus I must hate them too. If they tell me to hate Mexicans I will go down that road too. I'm a nobody and I need the clergy to direct and control my hatred. There, I said it!
Posted by grassman on May 20 2013,5:49 am
Actually, you are to love the person but hate the sin. This whole thing is a personal choice. Let's keep it that way. No extra anything. It is yours', own it, keep it.
Posted by Santorini on May 20 2013,8:33 am
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Actually, you are to love the person but hate the sin. This whole thing is a personal choice. Let's keep it that way. No extra anything. It is yours', own it, keep it.
Well said! But...take for example Brittany Griner the Baylor basketball phenom who recently "came out" to say she was gay. Who cares. Do heterosexuals announce via press conferences their sexual choice? Why the " hi I'm gay"!! Why is everything about some gays so " in your face".
Posted by Santorini on May 20 2013,9:18 am
(busybee @ May 20 2013,12:43 am)
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
As written in a previous post: prejudice fear homophobe hate etc. Buzz words used by radicals !
Posted by MADDOG on May 20 2013,10:38 am
(busybee @ May 20 2013,12:43 am)
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
Which one of us are you squakin' at lil' Miss Sunshine?
Posted by Liberal on May 20 2013,9:23 pm
(Santorini @ May 20 2013,9:18 am)
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(busybee @ May 20 2013,12:43 am)
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
As written in a previous post: prejudice fear homophobe hate etc. Buzz words used by radicals !
So which of those "Buzz words" did she use?
Does it hurt to be that stupid?
Posted by Santorini on May 20 2013,11:12 pm
(Liberal @ May 20 2013,9:23 pm)
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(Santorini @ May 20 2013,9:18 am)
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(busybee @ May 20 2013,12:43 am)
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
As written in a previous post: prejudice fear homophobe hate etc. Buzz words used by radicals !
So which of those "Buzz words" did she use?
Does it hurt to be that stupid?
I dunno...you tell me
does it hurt to be that stupid? Who is BB anyway " judging" others opinions!! BB there are many "behaviors" that are not deserving of acceptance.
Posted by Liberal on May 21 2013,4:06 pm
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BB there are many "behaviors" that are not deserving of acceptance
Like being a bigoted old hag that pretends to be a Christian?
Posted by Santorini on May 21 2013,5:55 pm
(Liberal @ May 21 2013,4:06 pm)
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BB there are many "behaviors" that are not deserving of acceptance
Like being a bigoted old hag that pretends to be a Christian?
You never graduated did you liberal...you've not grown beyond schoolyard bully!
Posted by Santorini on May 21 2013,5:58 pm
(Liberal @ May 21 2013,4:06 pm)
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BB there are many "behaviors" that are not deserving of acceptance
Like being a bigoted old hag that pretends to be a Christian?
Who you calling "a bigoted old hag"? Me for not agreeing with gay choice or BB for judging others opinions that don't agree with hers?
Posted by grassman on May 21 2013,6:19 pm
Free shipping....anyone?
Posted by Common Citizen on May 21 2013,9:49 pm
You'd be lying if you said your sphincter didn't flinch the first time you looked at that pic. Ouch!!
Posted by dualheart on May 22 2013,2:33 am
yeah that was great
Posted by Marneman on May 25 2013,1:33 am
Personally I could care less about this issue.I think something I heard a comidian(his name escapes me just now) said a few years back about gay marriage fits perfectlly "Let them get married so they can be misarable just like the rest of us!"
Posted by pepi la pew on May 28 2013,7:54 am
Only in Minnesota. Its not legal for brothers to marry sisters, But know its legal for brothers to marry each other, as well as sisters! SICKS!!
Posted by Botto 82 on May 28 2013,10:59 am
(pepi la pew @ May 28 2013,7:54 am)
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Only in Minnesota. Its not legal for brothers to marry sisters, But know its legal for brothers to marry each other, as well as sisters! SICKS!!
I'm just wondering... Do you ever have a stupid thought that you don't articulate on here?
Posted by Santorini on May 30 2013,11:50 pm
(busybee @ May 20 2013,12:43 am)
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
< WWW.campus > reform.org/blog
These the shoes you refer to...messages of inclusion and tolerance!!
Posted by grassman on May 31 2013,6:12 am
(pepi la pew @ May 28 2013,7:54 am)
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Only in Minnesota. Its not legal for brothers to marry sisters, But know its legal for brothers to marry each other, as well as sisters! SICKS!!
Maybe you should try just living with your sister for a while. You know how siblings can be.
Posted by MADDOG on May 31 2013,7:55 am
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(busybee @ May 20 2013,12:43 am)
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
< WWW.campus > reform.org/blog
These the shoes you refer to...messages of inclusion and tolerance!!
Link is broken. Not sure if you wanted the < main link > or to be more < specific. >
Posted by Santorini on May 31 2013,9:21 pm
(MADDOG @ May 31 2013,7:55 am)
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(busybee @ May 20 2013,12:43 am)
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
< WWW.campus > reform.org/blog
These the shoes you refer to...messages of inclusion and tolerance!!
Link is broken. Not sure if you wanted the < main link > or to be more < specific. >
Works on my droid...try just looking up Dan savage speaks at Winona state university
Posted by irisheyes on Jun. 01 2013,5:59 pm
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
< WWW.campus > reform.org/blog
These the shoes you refer to...messages of inclusion and tolerance!!
You quoted busybee's post with a website about Dan Savage. Are you suggesting that if one in the LGBT community says something non-inclusive and intolerant of anyone, they all must be non-inclusive and intolerant?
The Campus Reform project on their own website says they're a project of The Leadership Institute. You know what the Leadership Institute is? Well, let's look at their website.
The Leadership Institute's Mission:
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The Leadership Institute's mission is to increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists and leaders in the public policy process.
To accomplish this, the Institute identifies, recruits, trains, and places conservatives in government, politics, and the media.
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To accomplish this, the Institute identifies, recruits, trains, and places conservatives in government, politics, and the media.
< Leadership Institute's Mission >
Essentially they're puppeteers.
Posted by Santorini on Jun. 02 2013,10:37 pm
(irisheyes @ Jun. 01 2013,5:59 pm)
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(busybee @ May 20 2013,12:43 am)
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Until you've walked in someone else's shoe's, how dare anyone else judge another to be less than YOURSELF in deserving of acceptance by any other??
< WWW.campus > reform.org/blog
These the shoes you refer to...messages of inclusion and tolerance!!
You quoted busybee's post with a website about Dan Savage. Are you suggesting that if one in the LGBT community says something non-inclusive and intolerant of anyone, they all must be non-inclusive and intolerant?
The Campus Reform project on their own website says they're a project of The Leadership Institute. You know what the Leadership Institute is? Well, let's look at their website.
The Leadership Institute's Mission:
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The Leadership Institute's mission is to increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists and leaders in the public policy process.
To accomplish this, the Institute identifies, recruits, trains, and places conservatives in government, politics, and the media.
< Leadership Institute's Mission >
To accomplish this, the Institute identifies, recruits, trains, and places conservatives in government, politics, and the media.
< Leadership Institute's Mission >
Essentially they're puppeteers.
That was one source...the original I read was from Huffington post...looked further and found several sites about GLBT gay activist Dan savage and all the controversy surrounding him. What I am "suggesting" is the "one bad Apple" cliche!! On one side you have gays that want to be left alone to live their lives..don't bother anyone, are average everyday citizens...on the flip side you have the radicals (Dan savage), who is a "career" rock-the-boater" who incites hatred. His is a message of hatred and bigotry and exclusion...everything the gay community is against! And unfortunately, the" radicals " messages are strategically orchestrated and the LOUDest!!! And the radicals profess to represent the whole...the community...
So radicals like savage don't paint GLBT in a very good light, which is unfortunate.
Posted by grassman on Jun. 03 2013,6:21 am
Wow, I had to go back and look at the title of the thread. I thought you started talking about Rush there for a minute.
Posted by busybee on Jun. 04 2013,10:45 pm
Santorini Posted on: Jun. 02 2013,10:37 pm QUOTE
You quoted busybee's post with a website about Dan Savage. Are you suggesting that if one in the LGBT community says something non-inclusive and intolerant of anyone, they all must be non-inclusive and intolerant?
The Campus Reform project on their own website says they're a project of The Leadership Institute. You know what the Leadership Institute is? Well, let's look at their website.
The Leadership Institute's Mission:
The Leadership Institute's mission is to increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists and leaders in the public policy process.
To accomplish this, the Institute identifies, recruits, trains, and places conservatives in government, politics, and the media.
Essentially they're puppeteers.
That was one source...the original I read was from Huffington post...looked further and found several sites about GLBT gay activist Dan savage and all the controversy surrounding him. What I am "suggesting" is the "one bad Apple" cliche!! On one side you have gays that want to be left alone to live their lives..don't bother anyone, are average everyday citizens...on the flip side you have the radicals (Dan savage), who is a "career" rock-the-boater" who incites hatred. His is a message of hatred and bigotry and exclusion...everything the gay community is against! And unfortunately, the" radicals " messages are strategically orchestrated and the LOUDest!!! And the radicals profess to represent the whole...the community...
So radicals like savage don't paint GLBT in a very good light, which is unfortunate.
The Campus Reform project on their own website says they're a project of The Leadership Institute. You know what the Leadership Institute is? Well, let's look at their website.
The Leadership Institute's Mission:
The Leadership Institute's mission is to increase the number and effectiveness of conservative activists and leaders in the public policy process.
To accomplish this, the Institute identifies, recruits, trains, and places conservatives in government, politics, and the media.
Essentially they're puppeteers.
That was one source...the original I read was from Huffington post...looked further and found several sites about GLBT gay activist Dan savage and all the controversy surrounding him. What I am "suggesting" is the "one bad Apple" cliche!! On one side you have gays that want to be left alone to live their lives..don't bother anyone, are average everyday citizens...on the flip side you have the radicals (Dan savage), who is a "career" rock-the-boater" who incites hatred. His is a message of hatred and bigotry and exclusion...everything the gay community is against! And unfortunately, the" radicals " messages are strategically orchestrated and the LOUDest!!! And the radicals profess to represent the whole...the community...
So radicals like savage don't paint GLBT in a very good light, which is unfortunate.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 01 2014,11:51 am
One year after passing, there seems to be a few "kinkys" to 'plow' through. Some of the problems should resolve themselves though after a few years when they come to the realization that science was right. Gays can't make babies. 
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Sen. Paul Gazelka, R-Cass County, on Thursday called for public discussion on a draft of a policy that may be considered by the Minnesota State High School League on participation of transgender students in school sports.
A copy of a draft of a potential policy, provided to the < Dispatch > by Gazelka, stated: "Fundamental fairness, as well as most local, state, and federal rules and regulations, require schools to provide transgender student athletes with equal opportunities to participate in athletics."
The draft policy states it is designed to create a framework for such participation.
The draft policy said a female to male student who has started hormone therapy (ie, testosterone) is only eligible to participate on male teams. A female to male student who has not started hormone therapy may participate on female or male teams if desired.
A male to female student must have had medically documented testosterone suppression therapy in order to participate on female teams. A male to female student who has not started testosterone suppression therapy may only participate on male teams.
The draft policy states transgender student athletes should be able to use the locker room, shower and toilet facilities in accordance with the student's gender identity. When possible, every locker room should have some private enclosed changing areas, showers and toilets for use by any athlete who desires them.
Gazelka said the draft policy raises questions relating to women's rights and religious rights.
The senator said the way he reads the draft ordinance a male to female student who has had testosterone suppression therapy but no anatomical changes could be in a shower with girls.
"I think that is very problematic," Gazelka said.
Gazelka questioned whether parochial schools that participate in league activities might be denied the opportunity to participate if they fail to comply with an adopted policy.
The Minnesota State High School League is a voluntary nonprofit association of public and private schools. It neither solicits nor receives any state funding, according to its website.
Gazelka said while the league doesn't seek legislative approval of its policies, the Legislature can overrule them by passing specific laws. He said he sees the need for more public debate and comment on this issue. Public disclosure, he said, is how policy pitfalls are often avoided.
"It feels like they're trying to ram this through," Gazelka said.
Gazelka also contended a male to female student might have an unfair advantage if they were physically larger than the females.
A copy of a draft of a potential policy, provided to the < Dispatch > by Gazelka, stated: "Fundamental fairness, as well as most local, state, and federal rules and regulations, require schools to provide transgender student athletes with equal opportunities to participate in athletics."
The draft policy states it is designed to create a framework for such participation.
The draft policy said a female to male student who has started hormone therapy (ie, testosterone) is only eligible to participate on male teams. A female to male student who has not started hormone therapy may participate on female or male teams if desired.
A male to female student must have had medically documented testosterone suppression therapy in order to participate on female teams. A male to female student who has not started testosterone suppression therapy may only participate on male teams.
The draft policy states transgender student athletes should be able to use the locker room, shower and toilet facilities in accordance with the student's gender identity. When possible, every locker room should have some private enclosed changing areas, showers and toilets for use by any athlete who desires them.
Gazelka said the draft policy raises questions relating to women's rights and religious rights.
The senator said the way he reads the draft ordinance a male to female student who has had testosterone suppression therapy but no anatomical changes could be in a shower with girls.
"I think that is very problematic," Gazelka said.
Gazelka questioned whether parochial schools that participate in league activities might be denied the opportunity to participate if they fail to comply with an adopted policy.
The Minnesota State High School League is a voluntary nonprofit association of public and private schools. It neither solicits nor receives any state funding, according to its website.
Gazelka said while the league doesn't seek legislative approval of its policies, the Legislature can overrule them by passing specific laws. He said he sees the need for more public debate and comment on this issue. Public disclosure, he said, is how policy pitfalls are often avoided.
"It feels like they're trying to ram this through," Gazelka said.
Gazelka also contended a male to female student might have an unfair advantage if they were physically larger than the females.