Topic: Waco Assault part 2
started by: MADDOG
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 18 2013,6:20 am
< CNN in Waco >Obama administration is aware and he's resting comfortably.
< see video >
Posted by nedkelly on Apr. 18 2013,6:52 am
(MADDOG @ Apr. 18 2013,6:20 am)
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< CNN in Waco >
Obama administration is aware and he's resting comfortably.
< see video >
Obama administration is aware and he's resting comfortably.
< see video >
It's what happens when you hire cheap help and have no rules for business, it's Texas ya know
...ned
Posted by pepi la pew on Apr. 18 2013,7:35 am
You are right NED when you hire cheap help like the PRES. you get what you pay for CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP! 
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 18 2013,7:57 am
Fertilizer? 
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 18 2013,11:10 am
You'd think they'd have learned about the dangers of fertilizer after the Texas City disaster.
Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 18 2013,11:19 am
(nedkelly @ Apr. 18 2013,6:52 am)
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(MADDOG @ Apr. 18 2013,6:20 am)
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< CNN in Waco >
Obama administration is aware and he's resting comfortably.
< see video >
Obama administration is aware and he's resting comfortably.
< see video >
It's what happens when you hire cheap help and have no rules for business, it's Texas ya know
...nedYou should stop listening to MSNBC. You are starting to sound like a horse named Ed.
Posted by pepi la pew on Apr. 18 2013,12:04 pm
Come on CC don't cut ED down that bad
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 18 2013,12:42 pm
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You'd think they'd have learned about the dangers of fertilizer after the Texas City disaster.
Sixty-six years ago almost to the day.
Posted by White Pride on Apr. 18 2013,3:24 pm
maybe, just maybe, the Boston bombs used phosphate made at that fertilizer plant... perhaps?
Posted by grassman on Apr. 18 2013,3:31 pm
I lived by the old Smith Douglas Fertilizer Plant ( Seed House) when I was a kid. They had two dynamite bunkers on the premises on the edge of the swamp facing the mall. They used the dynamite to break up the mounds of fertilizer when they got compacted. I wonder why that never exploded? 
Posted by Marneman on Apr. 23 2013,11:44 pm
This is getting carried away now. The day after this happened some news outlets were reporting this as a terrorist attack rather than an accident. These news outlets need to slow down and get their facts staight rather than look like idiots. 
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 24 2013,8:03 am
(Marneman @ Apr. 23 2013,11:44 pm)
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This is getting carried away now. The day after this happened some news outlets were reporting this as a terrorist attack rather than an accident. These news outlets need to slow down and get their facts staight rather than look like idiots.
Or perhaps over-estimating the death toll. As many as < 35 dead. > Of course no one ever blasts CNN for getting it wrong.
Posted by ICU812 on Apr. 24 2013,8:36 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 18 2013,11:10 am)
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You'd think they'd have learned about the dangers of fertilizer after the Texas City disaster.
I had never heard of the Texas City disaster so I ran it thru the Google......Holy Hannah, that was an explosion. And I agree.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 24 2013,8:41 am
(Marneman @ Apr. 23 2013,11:44 pm)
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This is getting carried away now. The day after this happened some news outlets were reporting this as a terrorist attack rather than an accident. These news outlets need to slow down and get their facts staight rather than look like idiots.
I think most times it's not the news agencies that can't get their stories straight in their rush to get information out before others. Quite often the most conflicting information comes from "government sources". Look at news stories from most big events that happen, and sometimes on the same day with very little time between different news agencies reports, the news articles give information that they say they received from a "law enforcement source" a "DHS source" an "FBI source" a "White House source". It's like rapid-fire disinformation and makes it almost impossible to figure out what is really happening, and makes it almost impossible for us to actually share information and discuss things. It's no wonder most peoples' eyes just glaze over and most of us don't have a clue what is going on. It's too big a pain in the butt to try to figure out what the truth is.
I'm going to put this video under the Boston Bomb thread, but it also fits in well with your comment. In case anyone doesn't know this woman, she's Sibel Edmonds, she's been a bigtime government whistle-blower who worked for the FBI. She's been able to get quite a bit of light shed on some pretty horrendous wrong-doings by the government. - Hardly any of it has made mainstream news, but there is a lot of information in congress notes, speeches and investigations.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 24 2013,11:12 am
You're trying to prove our government is evil propagandists and you use Russia Today for a source? QUOTE
RT, also known as Russia Today, is an international multilingual Russian-based television network. It is registered as an autonomous non-profit organization[2][3] funded by the federal budget of Russia through the Federal Agency on Press and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation.[4][5]
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29 >
I was giving you way too much credit, I thought you were just crazy, but you're apparently dumber than a bag of hammers, and crazy.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 24 2013,11:25 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 24 2013,11:12 am)
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You're trying to prove our government is evil propagandists and you use Russia Today for a source?
RT, also known as Russia Today, is an international multilingual Russian-based television network. It is registered as an autonomous non-profit organization[2][3] funded by the federal budget of Russia through the Federal Agency on Press and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation.[4][5]
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29 >
I was giving you way too much credit, I thought you were just crazy, but you're apparently dumber than a bag of hammers, and crazy.
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RT, also known as Russia Today, is an international multilingual Russian-based television network. It is registered as an autonomous non-profit organization[2][3] funded by the federal budget of Russia through the Federal Agency on Press and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation.[4][5]
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29 >
I was giving you way too much credit, I thought you were just crazy, but you're apparently dumber than a bag of hammers, and crazy.
Yeah, it sucks that only alternative news agencies will interview this woman. I posted it for HER interview, I did NOT post it because of the SOURCE.
You're pathetic liberal. It's almost pointless to try to discuss anything in this forum anymore because of you.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 24 2013,7:32 pm
Then go "discuss" your crazy conspiracy crap somewhere else, I doubt you'll be missed.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 24 2013,9:38 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 24 2013,7:32 pm)
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Then go "discuss" your crazy conspiracy crap somewhere else, I doubt you'll be missed.
Then you could go back to discussing the really important things. Get ready for the next election. Voting fixes all the problems.
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The former president even allowed himself to picture the potential 2016 matchup: Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
< http://abcnews.go.com/blogs...c-photo >
Maybe those two will run against each other. That'd be swell. Then maybe Jim can come back and do his libbie-libbie-donk-donk routine.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 25 2013,5:47 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 24 2013,7:32 pm)
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Then go "discuss" your crazy conspiracy crap somewhere else, I doubt you'll be missed.
Yeah Roz, don't have an opinion outside of Libs
Remember, if you didn't get it from snopes it's bullish!t
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 25 2013,9:32 am
Guess who this kook is:Topic: Albert Lea National Guard Deployment, Opinion Section, March 2004
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They still have a lot of American weapons. Our media just isn't allowed to show footage of it, just like it's not allowed to show footage of a british soldier carrying a weapon because they're sold as peace keeepers in the U.K. and not as invaders.
The media outlets don't have to follow the rules but if they don't follow them they will no longer get embedded reporters and they will get shunned at news conferences.
The media outlets don't have to follow the rules but if they don't follow them they will no longer get embedded reporters and they will get shunned at news conferences.
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Sorry if you don't agree with me, but, I stand behind what I said. I don't believe that Saddam was ever a threat to the American way of life, but, I do think the current administration is a big threat to the American way of life. The current administration has violated more americans civil rights than any other administration I can think of and it's all being done in the name of homeland security.
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With the PATRIOT Act the FBI could have searched your house today when you were gone at work and they don't even have to bother letting you know they were there.
They can also force anyone(doctor, library, Internet service providers) to turn over all their records on you and you wouldn't know they had searched any of these things because they can prohibit the recipients of the search order from telling anyone about the search, even when there is no need for secrecy.(which obviously violates the recipients right to free speech)
The FBI could have initiated this whole investigation based solely on something that you posted on this forum. (which obviously violates your right to free speech)
The worst part of the whole thing is that the government is no longer required to show any evidence that you're an "agent of a foreign power," to initiate any of these investigations.
They can also force anyone(doctor, library, Internet service providers) to turn over all their records on you and you wouldn't know they had searched any of these things because they can prohibit the recipients of the search order from telling anyone about the search, even when there is no need for secrecy.(which obviously violates the recipients right to free speech)
The FBI could have initiated this whole investigation based solely on something that you posted on this forum. (which obviously violates your right to free speech)
The worst part of the whole thing is that the government is no longer required to show any evidence that you're an "agent of a foreign power," to initiate any of these investigations.
ACLU Website: Surveillance Under the USA PATRIOT Act
CNN: Patriot Act report documents civil rights complaints
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Thankfully, there have been no abuses of the system--yet. From CNN Civil Rights Complaints--
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The inspector general's office said 272 of those complaints came within its jurisdiction, but even many of those complaints "do not raise issues" that call for its investigation.
You must have missed the first paragraph where it said
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The internal watchdog of the Justice Department has found 34 new credible civil rights and civil liberties violations under the anti-terrorism USA Patriot Act, according to a report released Monday.
Also the paragraph directly over the one you posted. Explained that there were 34 civil rights violations in that 6 month period that were deemed credible and are being investigated.
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For the period of December 16 to June 15, 34 allegations were deemed credible and are being investigated by various officials within the department. Those 34 were among 1,073 complaints received during the period that suggested a Patriot Act-related civil rights or civil liberties connection.
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What a difference a few years makes.
You want to be an a-hole, I can be an a-hole too. Things have gotten way worse since back then, and people should be allowed to talk about the problems we face without fear of being bashed, or having threads completely destroyed by ridiculous arguments focusing on one little thing that you think you can twist to discredit everything else somebody says.
Things are not going to magically get better all on their own, and unless one of the Messiahs shows up we're on our own in a huge pile of crap that gets bigger every day.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 25 2013,11:02 am
You think my posts on real events are in any way similar to your conspiracy crap? Apparently I was giving you too much credit with the bag of hammers comparison.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 26 2013,12:21 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 25 2013,11:02 am)
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You think my posts on real events are in any way similar to your conspiracy crap? Apparently I was giving you too much credit with the bag of hammers comparison.
So when you say that we "invaded Iraq over faulty/manufactured intelligence" it's a real event. When I say we invaded Iraq over lies, it's conspiracy crap.
When you say " Do you realize that the estimates of civilians killed in Iraq range from 26,000 to 100,000 but we have no way of knowing the actual number because we don't keep track of collateral damage. Is that your idea of confining a battle to a war zone?"- It's a real event. But when I point out how our government planned and intentionally killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, you respond with "how else do you have a better way to get a rogue regime to play well with others?" - And I'm a conspiracy nut.
When you said " Are you suggesting that we shouldn't question anything our soldiers do because it might hurt their moral?" - That's a real event. But when I say we have every right to question things our government is doing, I'm a kook.
When you say: "For some odd reason the American media doesn't seem to show us the whole picture of the Israel, Palestinian conflict.
" and "The media outlets don't have to follow the rules but if they don't follow them they will no longer get embedded reporters and they will get shunned at news conferences."- It's a real event. But when I talk about how the media doesn't inform us of important things and how many reporters/journalists have been arrested trying to cover certain things, that's conspiracy crap.When you pointed out how our funding of the muhajadeen was idiotic and dangerous it was a real event. When it's pointed out how our government gave Iraq WMD's and looked the other way when he used them on innocent people, you had nothing to say.
when you say the government is violating our civil rights and point to problems with the Patriot Act, that's a real event. When some of us talk about how the government has given itself the power to snoop on any phone call or any email it wants, with no warrant needed, and has also given itself the power to lock any citizen up and strip that citizen of it's rights, just on suspicion, we're over-reacting and it's conspiracy crap.
A couple of other things you consider conspiracy crap: 911 and Sandy Hook:
When I pointed out that FEMA and WPI both talk about beams from building 7 but NIST says there was no physical evidence from that building to examine that's not conspiracy crap. - that's a fact.
When it was pointed out that building 7 fell at free fall speed for 8 stories, that's not crap- that's fact. There has to be absolutely 0 resistance for free fall to occur- that's not conspiracy crap, that's physics.
When I said the 911 Commission investigation was a sham you called me a kook. When I posted articles where some of the commissioners called it a sham and said agencies were holding back evidence and lying, you didn't say anything.
If you had a loved one who was inside Sandy Hook school you wouldn't be wondering why ambulances weren't allowed up to the school? Do you realize how far away the firehouse is from that school?
< http://www.nytimes.com/interac...ry.html >
You wouldn't spend the rest of your life wondering if perhaps your loved one could have survived if EMT's had been allowed in?
Why should we believe anything our government says, and why should we trust them about anything?
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 26 2013,4:09 am
^^ 
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 26 2013,8:26 am
You think that because I mention civilian causalities of war it is somehow similar to your crazy ass claim that we intentionally killed civilians? Then you wonder why I call you stupid?QUOTE
If you had a loved one who was inside Sandy Hook school you wouldn't be wondering why ambulances weren't allowed up to the school? Do you realize how far away the firehouse is from that school?
No I wouldn't but if I had a child or family member killed in the shooting and some stupid cow told me it was a hoax I would spit in her face.
Funny thing about you 9-11 kooks is that you claim physics prove your conspiracy crap like any of you home schooling grade school dropouts have ever opened a physics book.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Apr. 26 2013,9:59 am
(Liberal @ Apr. 26 2013,8:26 am)
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You think that because I mention civilian causalities of war it is somehow similar to your crazy ass claim that we intentionally killed civilians? Then you wonder why I call you stupid?
If you had a loved one who was inside Sandy Hook school you wouldn't be wondering why ambulances weren't allowed up to the school? Do you realize how far away the firehouse is from that school?
No I wouldn't but if I had a child or family member killed in the shooting and some stupid cow told me it was a hoax I would spit in her face.
Funny thing about you 9-11 kooks is that you claim physics prove your conspiracy crap like any of you home schooling grade school dropouts have ever opened a physics book.
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If you had a loved one who was inside Sandy Hook school you wouldn't be wondering why ambulances weren't allowed up to the school? Do you realize how far away the firehouse is from that school?
No I wouldn't but if I had a child or family member killed in the shooting and some stupid cow told me it was a hoax I would spit in her face.
Funny thing about you 9-11 kooks is that you claim physics prove your conspiracy crap like any of you home schooling grade school dropouts have ever opened a physics book.
Whoa, good mornin Mr. Twister.
liberal:
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You think that because I mention civilian causalities of war it is somehow similar to your crazy ass claim that we intentionally killed civilians? Then you wonder why I call you stupid?
Yes, we intentionally killed civilians. The declassified reports show that. They knew how devastating the destruction of the water facilities was going to be. The documents discuss the various diseases to expect. The later documents show them discussing the outbreaks of diarrhea and other diseases and how badly it was effecting the civilian population. And they sure knew how many people were dying as a result from reports the WHO and others were doing. - You even pointed that out. You said that EVERYONE knew the destruction of safe water capabilities is what lead to so many deaths. You even tried posting links for articles that proved it.
liberal:
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No I wouldn't but if I had a child or family member killed in the shooting and some stupid cow told me it was a hoax I would spit in her face.
I never once said Sandy Hook was a hoax. Throughout the Sandy Hook topic I constantly said the official story is BS, and that if I was a family member of one of those victims, I would want some answers. - And the biggest thing I would want answered is WHY WERE MEDICAL PEOPLE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE SCHOOL TO TRY AND SAVE PEOPLE. WHY DID THEY PUSH GURNEYS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIREHOUSE WITH THE COUPLE OF INJURED PEOPLE THEY BROUGHT OUT? WHY NOT ALLOW AMBULANCES UP TO THE SCHOOL, WHY NOT ALLOW EMT's INTO THE SCHOOL.
liberal:
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Funny thing about you 9-11 kooks is that you claim physics prove your conspiracy crap like any of you home schooling grade school dropouts have ever opened a physics book.
You are correct, this stupid cow has never opened a physics book. But since the first NIST report said the building fell 40% slower than freefall, and a high school physics teacher pointed out that they were wrong, and NIST had to change their findings to show freefall did indeed happen for awhile- pretty good indicator that the freefall explanation is correct. I don't think I need to understand physics to realize that. I already posted this video in the 9-11 topic, but I'll post it again here.
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 26 2013,4:18 pm
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 26 2013,4:57 pm
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 26 2013,10:09 pm
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Posted by Common Citizen on Apr. 27 2013,2:04 pm
(Liberal @ Apr. 26 2013,4:18 pm)
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The local rocking chair brigade...
Are you describing the decision makers at city hall?