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Spidey 
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Posted on: May 17 2004,10:39 pm |
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I know we've talked about this before, but today was really sad. To find any news that is news "worthy" I always end up going to KSTP's site, or Rochesters site. What's up with Albert Lea's paper ... why can't they find current news other then a little boy whisteling at ducks?
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Spidey
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Posted on: May 17 2004,10:40 pm |
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I meant to say KAAL's site, not KSTP.
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Posted on: May 17 2004,10:56 pm |
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I went online to look at the opinions page, Nothing.
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Posted on: May 17 2004,11:35 pm |
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New editor---same empty head, I wonder if they have heard of 9/ll yet
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Daisy Duke
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Posted on: May 18 2004,12:08 am |
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The Albert Lea trib likes fake drama not real life issues!! Their world is rosy colored and they have a padded walls!! Names will not hurt them just cause them to cry and make up more BS. Empty minds think alike............they can't expand to think outside the box that would be uncalled for!!
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Posted on: May 18 2004,1:49 pm |
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My bet its the only paper in the state that had a head line saying how much the state legislature got done this session. Do the people that work there at least visit the world we live in occasionally?
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Posted on: May 19 2004,2:01 pm |
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This was under opinions today. Sorry it was long. Didn't how long a link to it would last when they update.
Thought it was interesting.
Guest column: U.S. has completed its war mission
By Mark Dayton, U.S. congressman
Recently, I hosted a picnic for the families of Minnesota troops now deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kosovo. The spouses, children, and parents of those courageous soldiers had one common question: When will their loved ones come home?
My response was, "As soon and safe as possible, with victory in Iraq secured." However, over a year has now passed since our armed forces won their decisive military victory in Iraq. Preserving that victory has been expensive and elusive.
The growing opposition of Iraqis to the continuing U.S. military presence in their country will likely intensify in reaction to the prisoner abuses. It heightens the need to design a successful withdrawal plan. Presently, the Bush Administration intends to keep an expanded U.S. force of 134,00 troops in Iraq into 2006, buttressed by more tanks, armor, and firepower. That escalation seems likely to provoke more Iraqi opposition, more violence, more casualties, and, inevitably, more destruction. On the other hand, a premature U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, followed by civil war, anarchy, or another dictator, would be a disaster for them and a defeat for us. What is a better option?
Last week, I asked that question of four generals in the armed forces of Egypt, who asked to meet with me on behalf of their government. As you know, Egypt is an Arab nation, which has been our important ally and friend during the last quarter century.
The Egyptian generals said it was very important that the United States succeed in Iraq. I repeated to them what I had just said publicly in a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing: Our country has already succeeded in its stated objectives. Our armed forces routed Saddam Hussein's army and ended his regime. We determined that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction ready to use against us or anyone else.
Since then, our troops have protected the country, worked to restore public services, and trained 200,000 Iraqis as police and national security forces. On June 30th, some degree of authority will be transferred to an Iraqi government, along with the timetable for a national constitution and democratic elections.
The Egyptian generals replied that the United States also needs to announce a deadline for the transfer of military responsibilities to the Iraqis and the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. That transfer, they counseled, should occur in stages: first, urban patrols and law enforcement; then, highways and other infrastructure protection; and, finally, national border security, with support from a United Nations peacekeeping force.
I am not prepared to say whether that is the right plan. However, the Bush Administration and Congress should be discussing publicly whether that is the right strategy: to transfer responsibility for Iraq to the Iraqis during the next several months, rather than continue U.S. administrative and military control into 2006.
There is an important principle in human relationships, which also applies to nations. "We judge ourselves by our intentions; others judge us by our actions." When we know that our intentions are honorable and good, we are perplexed that those intentions are not recognized and appreciated by the other parties. However, actions, their effects, and their unintended consequences sometimes run contrary to the intentions which prompted them.
War causes deaths and destruction. The enormous deadly forces of modern weapons cannot be perfectly directed; their effects are devastating on both intended targets and unintended victims. More war causes more deaths and destruction. How would that improve the present situation in Iraq?
Over 2,500 years ago, an enlightened leader wrote, "Hatred can never put an end to hatred. This is an unalterable law." The human race has still not learned to obey that law, and its punishments can be severe.
I worry that we have not yet suffered our consequences from the war in Iraq. Our decisions now will make them either better or worse. I will vote for better.
(Mark Dayton is a U.S. congressman.)
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Posted on: May 19 2004,3:00 pm |
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I think the primary reason for the thin paper is that not much really happens in Albert Lea.
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Posted on: May 19 2004,3:39 pm |
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Mark Dayton is ignorant of the real situation in Iraq, the military, and U.S. history. His "questioning" of Donald Rumsfeld and General Kimmett was embarrassing. If you want the REAL story on WMDs and how the Iraqis really feel about us read these articles. You will not find them on the news or in the paper.
Did you know the Grand Ayatollah Sistani has condemned the Al Qaeda and Ba’athist insurgents, and encouraged his followers to support the US troops so we can do our job and go home?
An excerpt: Sistani follower and influential moderate cleric Sadreddin al-Kubbanji convened a meeting of Najaf's tribal elders and repeated his earlier calls for the militia of firebrand Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr to leave the city
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....id=1473
The new Iraqi commander in Fallujah also asked the tribal leaders there to support the US troops, and was apparently well received.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....lujah_1
If I hear another “journalist” start a comment with “Now that we know Iraq had no WMD”, my head is going to explode.
Despite the misquotes and misinterpretations of weapons inspector David Kay’s report, here’s what he reported he found: 8000 Iraqi WMD scientists, plans, production facilities, storage facilities, delivery systems (such as fighter planes modified with sprayers, precursors, UAVs, artillery rounds, and SCUD warheads) and an elaborate deception program. When the UN inspectors were kicked out in 1998, they reported conclusively that Saddam still had WMD. Are we supposed to believe that AFTER the inspectors were kicked out, Saddam GOT RID of it, and let all those resources sit idle?
Maybe so, but apparently somebody forgot to tell the terrorists in Iraq – they seemed to have found some:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tm....inter=1
BG Kimmitt reported that the terrorists probably didn’t know the round contained nerve gas, meaning it was UNMARKED (read “difficult to find”). He also noted this wasn’t the first time poison gas has been found on the battlefield; two weeks ago, there was a similar incident with mustard gas.
This is another great article about the WMD hunt. It’s important to understand that VX and Sarin are virtually identical to pesticides. The important distinction is obviously how they are used. This stockpile was stored in bulk, in a military style bunker, beside the empty WMD delivery systems and other ammo. It seems almost criminal to dismiss this as being for agricultural use. The article is a little long – and the first half is a rehash of what most informed people already knew. If you’re in a hurry, go straight to the part that says. “Stockpiles Found”.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213
Here is info indicating the WMDs were moved to Syria and the Russians helped.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13282
It appears the Canadian PM has some source of info other than CNN:
http://www.talonnews.com/news....s.shtml
Here’s more:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/17/170427.shtml
So where is the stuff now and why can’t we find more of it? Hundreds of trucks per day were crossing from Iraq to Syria, as late as two weeks after we invaded. Given the weird things happening between Syria, Sudan, and Jordan lately, many people suspect a lot of it went to Syria. So do the Israelis.
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=670123
So why couldn’t David Kay find more stockpiles in Iraq? In Kay’s defense, he found more than enough to prove Saddam had the WMD. But this author worked there and cites a problem with Kay’s method. Combine these shortcomings with the media’s utter lack of interest in finding the truth and viola! – many Americans think there was no WMD.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3399
The terrorists have adopted Ho Chi Minh’s strategy. Rather than defeating us on the battlefield, they seek to defeat us in the AMERICAN MEDIA, causing our population to lose faith and pull out before the job is done. In their zeal to influence the November elections, the media is all too happy to cooperate. Americans like you can help defeat terrorism by becoming INFOWARRIORS and forwarding this newsletter to everyone you know, and encouraging them to do the same!
Anyone else want to tell me that the Bush administration "lied" about WMDs or that the media is unbiased? Wake up!
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Posted on: May 19 2004,4:02 pm |
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Dayton is "not ready for prime time". His "deer in the headlights" look extends to his writing.| Quote | | My response was, "As soon and safe as possible, with victory in Iraq secured." |
WHAT is "Secured", Senator?| Quote | However, over a year has now passed since our armed forces won their decisive military victory in Iraq. Preserving that victory has been expensive and elusive.
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"Decisive military victory"--"Our country has already succeeded in its stated objectives"--but he objects to "Mission Accomplished"? He recognizes the need for "preserving that victory"--but somehow feels that the best way to "preserve" it is to cut and run.| Quote | | The Egyptian generals replied that the United States also needs to announce a deadline for the transfer of military responsibilities to the Iraqis and the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. That transfer, they counseled, should occur in stages: first, urban patrols and law enforcement; then, highways and other infrastructure protection; and, finally, national border security, with support from a United Nations peacekeeping force. |
So our Junior United States Senator from Minnesota is letting Egyptian Generals dictate our policy?| Quote | | There is an important principle in human relationships, which also applies to nations. "We judge ourselves by our intentions; others judge us by our actions." |
He's right on this one--but he should have stopped there, instead of trying to staddle the issue. The U.S. is perceived as being an untrustworthy ally--not because of our actions in an Iraqi prison, but for our inability to do what we SAY we are going to do. We said we would punish the perps that damaged the Cole--and didn't. Same thing for the Beirut bombings, the German disco bombing, the firing on our aircraft in the no-fly zone. We are seen as weak, with no stomach for prolonged conflict. Read the book "The 10,000 day war" about Vietnam--Ho Chi Mihn COUNTED on turmoil in the streets of the US, Congressional meddling, and micromanagement in the White House, and artificial "rules of engagement" to win the war. Clinton's ineffective "wag the dog" cruise missles lobbed into an abandoned training camp was laughable to the terrorists. Somalia--"Blackhawk Down" is said to have emboldened Bin Laden. Allowing Saddam to live--and thumb his nose at the U.S. and the U.N. "resolutions" for a dozen years increased his standing in the Arab world. We are know for our actions--or inactions--indeed!
Finally--Sen. Dayton thinks it would be a fine idea to put a deadline on our involvement in Iraq. Can you imagine how that would have played in Europe or the Pacific? "We're definitely going to be back in the U.S. by the end of 1943! How about Korea? "We're definitely going to turn this over to the Korens by the end of 1951" Of course, it worked so well in Vietnam--"American Troops will be pulled out by the end of 1971", only to see the country fall in 1973. Can these clowns name ANY successful conflict with a defined ending date? | Quote | | Recently, I hosted a picnic for the families of Minnesota troops now deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Kosovo. |
Dayton should stick to presiding at picnics! 
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