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GEOKARJO 
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2004,1:10 pm |
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Come get your free bumper sticker at the Family Fun
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kid dyn-o-mite
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2004,1:21 pm |
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What? A real war hero. No, I'd rather vote for an ex-cocaine user and alcoholic. One that used his daddies influence to skirt the war in nam. How about you?
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2004,1:46 pm |
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No I guess your right lets vote for Hanoi John an enemy symphithizer, whimp, accuser war crimes.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2004,2:10 pm |
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Troops are being extended past a year tour, the current administation who started this war need to finish it
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LisaMarie
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2004,2:36 pm |
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At least Kerry actually went to Vietnam. He served his country, if he took a different stance after seeing first-hand what the government was doing, that's his perogative.
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kid dyn-o-mite
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2004,3:14 pm |
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That takes intense courage and conviction. A willingness to question self and authorities. He made such an impact, that President Nixon hated his guts. He stayed up all night watching the election, till Kerry lost his first bid for congress. Kerry is a man of intense integrity. GW Bush is a used car salesman by comparison. Selling us on a war that didn't make sense. The real enemy is still there, stronger than before. This is the new drug war. A war that will never end. A war that can't ever end. You must know, as well as I that the war on terrorism is forever. Controlling Iraq is forever. This hell can never end. That is the world George Bush helped create. You should be ashamed of yourself for turning on a true brother like you've done. God help your soul.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2004,4:24 pm |
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These are just a few exerpts from Kerry's defiant speech.
| Quote | Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement by John Kerry to the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations
April 23, 1971 |
| Quote | | In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart. |
| Quote | | We found that not only was it a civil war, an effort by a people who had for years been seeking their liberation from any colonial influence whatsoever, but also we found that the Vietnamese whom we had enthusiastically molded after our own image were hard put to take up the fight against the threat we were supposedly saving them from. |
| Quote | | We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy. They only wanted to work in rice paddies without helicopters strafing them and bombs with napalm burning their villages and tearing their country apart. They wanted everything to do with the war, particularly with this foreign presence of the United States of America, to leave them alone in peace, and they practiced the art of survival by siding with whichever military force was present at a particular time, be it Viet Cong, North Vietnamese or American. |
| Quote | | We found also that all too often American men were dying in those rice paddies for want of support from their allies. We saw first hand how monies from American taxes were used for a corrupt dictatorial regime. We saw that many people in this country had a one-sided idea of who was kept free by the flag, and blacks provided the highest percentage of casualties. We saw Vietnam ravaged equally by American bombs and search and destroy missions, as well as by Viet Cong terrorism - and yet we listened while this country tried to blame all of the havoc on the Viet Cong. |
| Quote | | We rationalized destroying villages in order to save them. We saw America lose her sense of morality as she accepted very coolly a My Lai and refused to give up the image of American soldiers who hand out chocolate bars and chewing gum. |
| Quote | | We watched the United States falsification of body counts, in fact the glorification of body counts. We listened while month after month we were told the back of the enemy was about to break. We fought using weapons against "oriental human beings." We fought using weapons against those people which I do not believe this country would dream of using were we fighting in the European theater. We watched while men charged up hills because a general said that hill has to be taken, and after losing one platoon or two platoons they marched away to leave the hill for reoccupation by the North Vietnamese. We watched pride allow the most unimportant battles to be blown into extravaganzas, because we couldn't lose, and we couldn't retreat, and because it didn't matter how many American bodies were lost to prove that point, and so there were Hamburger Hills and Khe Sanhs and Hill 81s and Fire Base 6s, and so many others. |
| Quote | | Now we are told that the men who fought there must watch quietly while American lives are lost so that we can exercise the incredible arrogance of Vietnamizing the Vietnamese. |
| Quote | | Each day to facilitate the process by which the United States washes her hands of Vietnam someone has to give up his life so that the United States doesn't have to admit something that the entire world already knows, so that we can't say that we have made a mistake. Someone has to die so that President Nixon won't be, and these are his words, "the first President to lose a war." |
| Quote | | We are here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? We're here to ask where are McNamara, Rostow, Bundy, Gilpatrick, and so many others? Where are they now that we, the men they sent off to war, have returned? These are the commanders who have deserted their troops. And there is no more serious crime in the laws of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded. The marines say they never even leave their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They've left the real stuff of their reputations bleaching behind them in the sun in this country.... |
| Quote | | We wish that a merciful God could wipe away our own memories of that service as easily as this administration has wiped away their memories of us. But all that they have done and all that they can do by this denial is to make more clear than ever our own determination to undertake one last mission - to search out and destroy the last vestige of this barbaric war, to pacify our own hearts, to conquer the hate and fear that have driven this country these last ten years and more. And more. And so when thirty years from now our brothers go down the street without a leg, without an arm, or a face, and small boys ask why, we will be able to say "Vietnam" and not mean a desert, not a filthy obscene memory, but mean instead where America finally turned and where soldiers like us helped it in the turning. |
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kid dyn-o-mite
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Posted on: Apr. 08 2004,4:38 pm |
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Yes, it's very impressive that a man as young as he was, had so much intestinal fortitude. 
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Posted on: Apr. 09 2004,8:21 am |
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Well we did lose Vietnam because our stated goal was keeping it from Communism. In Iraq with our stated goal was liberating the people of that country from Saddam we should have won months ago. So what is it we are currently doing? We are no longer liberaters but occupiers. For what purpose? So that we can make them like us? Ya right! So that Western Oil Companies can get reestablished in that country? So that they can become the United States of Iraq? It wasn't a great idea to go in to Iraq, but having achieved our stated goal aren't we becoming more unclear about the reasons we are there? If Kerry will get us out, I'm all for it. Somebody needs to save our youth from this madness!
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