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jimhanson 
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Posted on: Aug. 23 2003,3:46 pm |
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I have some material that was on the old Forum that may be interesting or useful in the future. I could just save it on my computer, but I'm sure most of us "refugees" from the old Forum have items we wish were saved somewhere. For now, I'll put them in this format--if it makes sense later, we could store them in a Topic--or just delete them.
If anybody needs an old document or reference--put out an "all-call" and ask to have it posted to this thread. That's what friends are for!
In Regard to "Attorney Jay Squires Opinion"
It is interesting to look at the questions Gabrielson asked about parliamentary procedure (see page 3).
The questions asked were:
Was it appropriate for Commissioner A to be ruled out of order when he attempted to raise a motion while another Commissioner was speaking? This referred to Commisssioner Belshan's attempt to indtroduce a motion to Allow Bok to speak. Commissioner Mullenbach had been speaking, but didn't make a motion to allow Bok to speak. The moment Mullenbach stopped, Belshan introduced his motion. Realizing he had been trumped, Mullenbach protested. Behrends, as Chairman, ruled that Mullenbach still had the floor. The audio tape says otherwise. Re-read Gabrielson's question to his attorney--if you ask the question in this manner, you get one answer, if you listen to the tape, you'll get another.
Can an individual Commissioner require changes, additions, or attachments to minutes of Board meetings? This one referrs to two items. Commissioner Belshan tapes all Board meetings (see next subject), with the tape recorder very visible on top of the rostrum. The County does NOT tape the meetings, despite requests by Belshan to do so. When the meeting is opened, the Chair calls for approval of the minutes, asking for "additions or corrections". Belshan, with the aid of his tape recordings, compares the stenographers version of the minutes with the tape. If there is a disparity, he asks for a correction. Chairman Behrends usually defends the written version with "I think we have the gist of it". Belshan insists on accurate minutes--as it is the only version to which we can referr years from now. Incredibly, the Board usually votes on the usual 4-1 roll call to accept the incorrect version, when the correct version is right there on the tape!
I believe the second part of Gabrielsons question pertains to attachments. When Gabrielson produced a letter supposedly written by the head of a County Educational Collaborative (but who some on the Collaborative accuse Gabrielson of "Ghost-writing), Belshan asked for it to be included in the minutes of the meeting as an attachment. Gabrielson and Behrends refused to do so, to avoid embarrassment for Belshan, the Commissioner who wanted them included! When Belshan stood up to defend himself, his microphone was "Accidently" unplugged by Gabrielson (see "Bashed, bumped, and Bokked--Gabrielson unplugged my microphone" in the Tribune Forum and in Belshan's column on freeborncounty.com).
Should Board meetings be recorded by audio or video tape? Previously discusseed, and a reference to Belshan's recording of the meetings, an ongoing source of embarrassment to Gabrielson and the rest of teh Commissioners. Minnesota statutes do allow for audio and video taping of public meetings. My opinion is that Gabrielson would have liked to have found a way to avoid having Belshan tape the meetings--otherwise, why even ask the question? When Gabrielson found the answers from his attorney, he mentioned at a Board meeting that "The public is welcome to tape the meetings, but we would like to have 24 hours notice so we don't have people and cameras jockying for the best spots!" SARCASM!
Is it appropriate for a Commissioner to make motions to rescind previous actions of the Board? This is a reference to Commissioner Belshan's motion in April to rescind the motion of the Board giving County Attorney Nelson a raise that was EXACTLY WHAT HE ASKED FOR, AND TWICE THE AMOUNT MANDATED BY THE JUDGE IN THE CASE! The County Attorney received a 14% raise, at a time when County departments were being asked to CUT expenditures by 15%. Belshan wanted to give only the raise mandated by the judge. Gabrielsons outside attorney found "A motion ot rescind a previous order or action is an appropriate motion under the Board's procedures". (see Conclusions).
ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT EVERY ONE OF GABRIELSON'S QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS AGAINST COMMISSIONER BELSHAN ONLY? Not one question about his friends.
If you needed any further proof that Gabrielson is a manipulative, controlling, obsessed individual, you can find it in these documents.
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"If you want to anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. If you want to anger a LIBERAL, tell him the TRUTH!"
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Aug. 23 2003,4:12 pm |
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You're right Jim, we all lost stuff. In fact, so far, we lost CPU. What about the lady that made copies? Maybe she would be helpful.
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Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2003,10:13 am |
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Here is what that half-wit editor posted, under someone else's name, in a feeble attempt at defamation and libel:
| Quote | Mike Simmons Posted on Aug 20 2003, 01:57 AM
I tell you people from the bottom of my heart the mentally ill pill-popping unemployed loser who goes by the name Hoosier is not the mentally ill unemployed loser writing you now. I am embarassed by my, I mean, our, I mean his behavior. it's immature. Now I don't like Dylan anymore than anyone. He's no faggot, I made a pass at him and he said he's married... to a woman! So rest assured that our paper ain't run by no homo, despite what milk he drinks, if you know what I mean. Okay, well I getting off topic that happens when you spend all day crusing the net, for kid porno, I mean, Forum info. I suppose I could find a job, but I'd rather criticize the jobless of Albert Lea. Anyway please don't confuse me with Hoosier, He's from Indiana, I'm different, . Okay so thank you so much. I going to take a fist of reds, and a fifth of the whiskey
Mike Simmons Posted on Aug 20 2003, 03:18 AM
Okay, Okay, I'm not Mike Simmons at all. I realize that now. boy that was scary, I could never be that unstable. Although I would like to be a martyr. I mean with my dismal level of achievement on this earth, being removed from the forum would well make me someone. SO, HEY DYLAN YOU SUCK! ha take that! now I'm a man! Although I lack genitalia. Hoosier, I'm sure you can sympathize. Anyway, I do agree with hoosier, that's how logcial he is. Of course he shouldn't be held to the behavior standards Dylan is. he even admits it. I mean why should a lazy psycho loser like Mike Simmons be held at the same level as someone like Dylan who contributes to society. Losers do not equal Dylans. don't you think? I mean isn't being a wannabe something better than being a wannabe nothing? oh wait I forgot, Simmons you got that janitor gig, that you lost. sorry, ah, good for you.
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Just so people can really see what kind of paper is being published here in Freeborn County.
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The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
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Some of what is said here (myself included) is about as tolerable as listening to someone vacuum a cat.
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hoosier
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2003,10:15 am |
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Thanks Ole1, I saved that one also, I bet he thought he could delete that and shut down his forum before the rest of the public was able to see it. 
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The power of accurate obsvervation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
George Bernard Shaw
The devil begins with froth on the lips of an angel entering into battle for a holy and just cause. Grigory Pomerants
We have crossed the boundary that lies between Republic and Empire. Garet Garrett
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